Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Cecil Hotel's dark past earned it a spot on
Los Angeles tours long before a woman's body was found inside its
rooftop water tank.

"It's the place where serial killers stay," said tour guide Richard
Schave.

Schave and his wife, Kim Cooper, conduct a "true crime and oddities"
tour they call "Hotel Horrors & Main Street Vice."

The new mystery surrounding Elisa Lam's death will be added to
Cooper's spiel during the tour stops at the Cecil Hotel, she said.

Cooper and Schave have made it their job to compile details on those
who have killed or been killed while staying at the Cecil.

The killers

The most famous on their list are serial killers Richard Ramirez and
Jack Unterweger.
Photos: Body found in hotel water tank Photos: Body found in hotel
water tank
Hotel guests: Discovery 'sickening'

Ramirez, known as the "Nightstalker," now resides on California's
death row, but in 1985 he was living on the Cecil's top floor in a $14
a night room, Cooper said.

The Cecil, filled then with hundreds of transients living in the cheap
rooms, was a good place for Ramirez to go unnoticed as he killed 13
women, Schave said. He was "just dumping his bloody clothes in the
Dumpster at the end of his evening and going in the back entrance."

Jack Unterweger worked as a journalist covering Los Angeles crime for
an Austrian magazine in 1991 when he moved into the Cecil.

"We believe he was living at the Cecil in homage to Ramirez," Schave
said.

He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles while a
guest at the Cecil.

The killed

During the 1950s and 1960s, the Cecil had a reputation as a place
where people would kill themselves by jumping out upper-floor windows,
Cooper said. "It's just what people do when they are at the end of
their rope," she said.

Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing
on the Cecil Hotel marquee on October 22, 1954, she said.

Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window on February 11,
1962, she said. She left behind a bus ticket from St Louis, 59 cents
and an Illinois bank account book showing a balance of $1,800.

Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument
with her estranged husband on October 12, 1962, she said. Otton landed
on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the sidewalk 90 feet below.
Both were killed instantly.

Not everyone on Cooper's list committed suicide.

"Pigeon Goldie" Osgood, a retired telephone operator, was found dead
in her ransacked room on June 4, 1964, Cooper said. Osgood, known for
protecting and feeding the pigeons at nearby Pershing Square, was
stabbed, strangled and raped. The crime has not been solved.

Not an ordinary hotel

Schave and Cooper have theories about why the Cecil's past has been so
sordid.

It was built in the 1920s as a hotel "for businessmen to come into
town and spend a night or two," Cooper said.

But it was soon upstaged by nicer hotels in a better part of town, she
said. When the Great Depression hit in the 1930s, it became more of a
transient hotel. Eventually, it transitioned into a single room
occupancy business, known as an SRO. Long-term tenants rented
individual rooms and shared bathrooms with neighboring residents.

"This was just a place where people who were really down on their luck
were going," Schave said. "These hotels are filled with people who are
at the edge of being integrated in society."

During the 1970s, '80s and '90s, hundreds of people who were "down on
their luck" called the Cecil home, he said. "They were all hustling to
make ends meet."

"It's not like that any more, of course," Cooper said.

New owners converted three of the floors back to hotel rooms around
2007, but most of the building remains SRO, Schave said.

Another section serves as a hostel that is marketed toward European
tourists, he said

It was not clear if Lam was staying in one of the hotel rooms, which
offer more privacy, or the hostel.

Repeated calls by CNN to the Cecil Hotel management were not returned
Wednesday and Thursday.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:30:46 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote:

Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Cecil Hotel's dark past earned it a spot on
Los Angeles tours long before a woman's body was found inside its
rooftop water tank.

"It's the place where serial killers stay," said tour guide Richard
Schave.

Schave and his wife, Kim Cooper, conduct a "true crime and oddities"
tour they call "Hotel Horrors & Main Street Vice."

The new mystery surrounding Elisa Lam's death will be added to
Cooper's spiel during the tour stops at the Cecil Hotel, she said.

Cooper and Schave have made it their job to compile details on those
who have killed or been killed while staying at the Cecil.

The killers

The most famous on their list are serial killers Richard Ramirez and
Jack Unterweger.
Photos: Body found in hotel water tank Photos: Body found in hotel
water tank
Hotel guests: Discovery 'sickening'

Ramirez, known as the "Nightstalker," now resides on California's
death row, but in 1985 he was living on the Cecil's top floor in a $14
a night room, Cooper said.

The Cecil, filled then with hundreds of transients living in the cheap
rooms, was a good place for Ramirez to go unnoticed as he killed 13
women, Schave said. He was "just dumping his bloody clothes in the
Dumpster at the end of his evening and going in the back entrance."

Jack Unterweger worked as a journalist covering Los Angeles crime for
an Austrian magazine in 1991 when he moved into the Cecil.

"We believe he was living at the Cecil in homage to Ramirez," Schave
said.

He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles while a
guest at the Cecil.

The killed

During the 1950s and 1960s, the Cecil had a reputation as a place
where people would kill themselves by jumping out upper-floor windows,
Cooper said. "It's just what people do when they are at the end of
their rope," she said.

Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing
on the Cecil Hotel marquee on October 22, 1954, she said.

Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window on February 11,
1962, she said. She left behind a bus ticket from St Louis, 59 cents
and an Illinois bank account book showing a balance of $1,800.

Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument
with her estranged husband on October 12, 1962, she said. Otton landed
on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the sidewalk 90 feet below.
Both were killed instantly.

Not everyone on Cooper's list committed suicide.

"Pigeon Goldie" Osgood, a retired telephone operator, was found dead
in her ransacked room on June 4, 1964, Cooper said. Osgood, known for
protecting and feeding the pigeons at nearby Pershing Square, was
stabbed, strangled and raped. The crime has not been solved.

Not an ordinary hotel

Schave and Cooper have theories about why the Cecil's past has been so
sordid.

It was built in the 1920s as a hotel "for businessmen to come into
town and spend a night or two," Cooper said.

But it was soon upstaged by nicer hotels in a better part of town, she
said. When the Great Depression hit in the 1930s, it became more of a
transient hotel. Eventually, it transitioned into a single room
occupancy business, known as an SRO. Long-term tenants rented
individual rooms and shared bathrooms with neighboring residents.

"This was just a place where people who were really down on their luck
were going," Schave said. "These hotels are filled with people who are
at the edge of being integrated in society."

During the 1970s, '80s and '90s, hundreds of people who were "down on
their luck" called the Cecil home, he said. "They were all hustling to
make ends meet."

"It's not like that any more, of course," Cooper said.

New owners converted three of the floors back to hotel rooms around
2007, but most of the building remains SRO, Schave said.

Another section serves as a hostel that is marketed toward European
tourists, he said

It was not clear if Lam was staying in one of the hotel rooms, which
offer more privacy, or the hostel.

Repeated calls by CNN to the Cecil Hotel management were not returned
Wednesday and Thursday.

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I didn't read this link but I wonder if it's haunted ??

Doug the stupid-ass full-quoter used improper usenet message composition
style by UNNECESSARILY FULL QUOTING:

I didn't read this link but I wonder if it's haunted ??

Did you have to be a stupid ass by fully-quoting the previous post (all
106 lines) just to ass a single line (that being a dumb-ass question) ?

Do you know that full-quoters are stupid asses?

How about top posters who leave the separation marks in?

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Subject: Accidental Power Cut
Date: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:54 AM

Talking to Faith, yesterday. Lives in a building with
apartments.

From what she can figure, the guy who moved in
to another apartment gave her apartment number
when he moved in. With five apartments, it's easy
to make a mistake. And, the mistake was made. I'm
typing by memory, so I'm sure a few of the details
are mixed up.

Friday, right before Presidents Day weekend. The
power company came, and disconntected the power
for the guy who had moved out. Unfortunately,
they followed their instructions. And the result
was to disconnect Faith, who really finds power
useful in the bitter cold winter. And, the
disconnect happened during the work day. She got
home after work, and finds the apartment cold
enough that you could see your breath. Friday
afternoon, going into a long weekend.

Some calls to the case worker, and to the power
company. See if they can get the power back on.
With the weekend, she keeps getting voice mails. So
she chose to pack the kids and some clothes,
and ship them off to her parents.

She did get a hold of the apartment manger, who
suggests to turn on the oven, and heat the
apartment that way. Not going to happen, account
of carbon monoxide. She asked someone if she
could run some power off the other guy's power,
to run her boiler. How water radiators, along the
baseboard of the apartment. She says she can't
remember what was the answer. She did think of
generator.

In the next couple days, it's the weekend. She
is living with her boyfriend, Johny. The two girls
are with grand parents. The kids missed a couple
days school, but had a good time with grand parents.

Some where along this time, I was in Utica, on work.
I left a message on her voice mail, on the cell
phone, but she didn't call back.

Tuesday of the next week, a couple of the radiator
pipes froze, and burst. Copper pipes, along the
floor. She came back one day to check on the
apartment, and found a skating rink for a living
room. With frozen water, across the living room.
Called the apartment guy, who was likely upset
that she hadn't left the oven on, so at least the
apartment would have some heat. He promised to get
the pipes fixed by Friday. Had to order some parts.

They finally did get the power back on. They drew
as much of the water up as they could, wtih a wet
vac, and then rented a home carpet extractor machine.
Rinse N Vac, or Bissel or something. That was about
$30. The apartment guy did finally arrive, and
replace some burst copper tubing, and get the heat
working again. Can't remember what day that was,
but it was after the Friday a week from power cut.

I mentioned that it would have been possible to
run the boiler off a generator, or take some power
from another meter box (if the circuit panels are
fairly close to each other). Boiler isn't all that
much electricity. She replied that "if I had a
hot air furnace or something, that I thought a
generator would work on, I would have called and
asked you to come out, and offer to pay the gas
money".

Having refused the two or three things that would
have averted disaster (use the stove for heat, or
have someone like me keep the boiler going). She
had a disaster. Fortunately for all involved, she's
planning to move, in the spring. I'm guessing
the landlord will be encouraged by her decision.

Christopher A. Young
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Did you have to be a stupid ass by fully-quoting the previous post (all
106 lines) just to ass a single line (that being a dumb-ass question) ?

Do you know that full-quoters are stupid asses?