On 9/21/12 3:36 PM, Paul J. Dudley wrote:
My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul


What is the recommended oil?

If it's just a John Deere "brand", check the specs on the container (or
in the owner's manual) and them buy a name brand oil with the same specs.

Deere is not an oil refiner-- they pay a refiner to put oil in their
container with a JD label and resell it to suckers at a too stiff mark up!

--
The more is given, the less the people will work for themselves and the
less they work, the more their poverty will increase.
--Leo Tolstoy

The reason is that John Deere needs your money.
Beyond that, can't think of a reason.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Paul J. Dudley" wrote in message
news My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

"Paul J. Dudley" wrote in message
news
My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

They're job creators. The reason for the high price is the janitor's
pension.

Didn't you know, the rich are job creators, the poor is why there are no
jobs.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:59:12 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
wrote:


What is the recommended oil?

If it's just a John Deere "brand", check the specs on the container (or
in the owner's manual) and them buy a name brand oil with the same specs.

Deere is not an oil refiner-- they pay a refiner to put oil in their
container with a JD label and resell it to suckers at a too stiff mark up!

I agree. It's just like my hay baler insists I use their own brand of
baling twine, which costs twice what the standard stuff costs. These
companies look for suckers willing to pay their excessive prices.

Just stick to the recommended weight (such as 10w30), and buy that
weight oil.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:38:54 -0500, wrote:

I agree

....and you nym-shift. Who believes you?

My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

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On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:59:12 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
wrote:
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Deere is not an oil refiner-- they pay a refiner to put oil in their
container with a JD label and resell it to suckers at a too stiff mark
up!

I agree. It's just like my hay baler insists I use their own brand of
baling twine, which costs twice what the standard stuff costs. These
companies look for suckers willing to pay their excessive prices.

Just stick to the recommended weight (such as 10w30), and buy that
weight oil.

The problem is that many companies also do this to escape warrantly
liability if you failed to use the specified consumable products. It's a
tradition that covers ink jet printers, nailers, staplers, etc. JD could
have their refiner add custom ingredients that they'd claim were necessary
to protect the engine and your use of non-Deere oil would be pointed to if
the engine seized from some oil-related failure. I recall a case of a
mechanic about to be fired adding very nasty things to the garage's big oil
cans before he got got canned.

Can't find that cite but found this:

Walmart Mechanic Wrote Satanic Symbols On Car During Oil Change
https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Wal...ustomer-Claims -
Cached
A Walmart customer says she found an unpleasant surprise after ... An angry
mechanic could have access to lots of things while under the car, ...

https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Wal...ustomer-Claims

I seem to recall he polluted the oil with battery acid which only led to
this:

Christian woman acid attacked by Muslim, finds new life in Houston ...
1..
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.../christian-woman-acid-attacked-by-muslim-find
s-new-life-in-houston.html - Cached
Jul 9, 2012 ... Aftab tried to block the arc of battery acid, but it
melted much of the right side of
her face and left her with swirling, bone-deep burns on her chest ...

The concept of adding battery acid to a transmission is discussed here at
one of the sites I am sure Dufe will love:

http://www.bombshock.com/revenge_pranks/autos.html

That's some evil thinking there. A can or two of soda spilled into the
windshield vents should turn your enemy's car into a moving antfarm or
yellowjacket nest.

Some of the stuff is frankly unbelievable, but I am looking for my can of
Drano and some gasoline to test out Prank 9. I don't think it will work,
but that's what science is all about.

--
Bobby G.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:38:54 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:59:12 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
wrote:


What is the recommended oil?

If it's just a John Deere "brand", check the specs on the container (or
in the owner's manual) and them buy a name brand oil with the same specs.

Deere is not an oil refiner-- they pay a refiner to put oil in their
container with a JD label and resell it to suckers at a too stiff mark up!

I agree. It's just like my hay baler insists I use their own brand of
baling twine, which costs twice what the standard stuff costs. These
companies look for suckers willing to pay their excessive prices.

What was worse were Emerson radios and Zenith TVs. The instruciions
on the tube map said to replace only with genuine Emerson tubes and
Zenith tubes, even though no one sold the Emerson tubes by the time I
got involved, and maybe not the Zenith tubes either.


Just stick to the recommended weight (such as 10w30), and buy that
weight oil.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:27:36 -0400, "george" wrote:


"Paul J. Dudley" wrote in message
news
My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

They're job creators. The reason for the high price is the janitor's
pension.

Didn't you know, the rich are job creators,

Then where have they been for the last 4 years?


the poor is why there are no
jobs.

"Paul J. Dudley" wrote:

My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

I highly recommend using Mobil 1 synthetic 5W-30. You only change the
oil on the thing about once a year typically so the cost should be
pretty irrelevant. Long term life and reliability are a lot more
important. Also always use Sta-Bil in the gas, and if it's available
near you (try marinas and small airports) ethanol free gas will help as
well.

"Paul J. Dudley" wrote in message

I told my friend that if'n she had any
problems requiring warrenty work I'd change the oil to the
JD stuff before hand.

That's how it's done! For every tall wall, someone's got a taller ladder.
I might even buy a case of stinkin' JD oil, photocopy the receipt and take
it back unopened for a refund, keeping a single can to make the final oil
change before seeking warranty service.

One of the crappiest instances of this kind of corporate blackmail was in
printer carts where they tried to use the Digital Millenium Copying Act to
keep people from refilling ink cartridges. I believe it was Lexmark. Yes,
here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexmark_Int'l_v._Static_Control_Components

Ironically IBM was part of a huge landmark lawsuit decades before about
plug-compatible equipment for mainframes. Corporations hate open standards
and competitors.

--
Bobby G.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:36:21 -0400, Paul J. Dudley wrote:

My friend has a JD D100 mower - second hand but new. We're about to
change the motor oil and filter for the first time as recommended in the
manual.The recommended oil cost nearly 6.00 a quart. Is there any reason
why we can't just use a good grade 10-30 motor oil ?

TIA

Paul

Thanks for y'alls replies. I used Pennzoil 10-30 which is what I
use in my Jeep and my Troy-bilt mower. I appreciate what
Robert and Jazzy said. I told my friend that if'n she had any
problems requiring warrenty work I'd change the oil to the
JD stuff before hand.

Thanks again Y'all.

Paul

On 9/22/2012 11:56 AM, micky wrote:
....

... but financially, you would probably lose money
under the Repulbican plan, and your kids too. I forget but you've
said what you do for a living, and the Republican proposals are
seriously against your financial interests.

....

Only if your interest is in living from unemployment compensation, food
stamps and other welfare and entitlement programs.

The problem in lacking job creation is not the absolute tax rate
itself(+) so much as it is the lack of clear certainty in what future
tax rules are going to be and the fear of increasing other regulation
from particularly EPA that is, in essence, another set of taxes. Of
course, there's also the tremendous additional burden of the healthcare
mandates that is another albatross around the necks of employers that
will certainly make them think twice about taking on additional help w/
jobs that pay benefits.

(+) That is, companies can cope w/ a given tax structure if they're
certain it is going to be what it is and the rules aren't going to
change--when there's uncertainty and likelihood of rules changing,
nobody's going to commit on anything other than the most absolute of a
sure deal--that's where we've been for the last two years or so since
the midterms that shifted power and portended a possible larger shift to
come. Also that there are (and have been) many major areas including
just for one the current tax rates that congress has not dealt with is
just adding to that uncertainty by not knowing what, specifically, the
end result is going to be. Certainly major areas in defense and other
programs aren't going to do anything any time soon because if can't deal
with it the mandated funds sequestration that will come into play after
the debt reduction committee failed to come up w/ a plan will throw a
serious crimp into defense spending--Boeing, M-Marietta, Lockheed, et
al. are already making cutbacks. Yet another is that the continuation
of energy policy in the extension of wind-generation tax credits is
causing a retraction there--Siemens has cut about half of their
production owing to that in the last month since Congress adjourned w/o
addressing the issue.

Where the problems in rates _does_ occur is that the rest of the world
now has from marginally to significantly _LOWER_ corporate tax rates
than does the US. That's a significant driver in the proliferation of
US companies moving overseas--they can do better there. And, while it
pains the left, the point of a business is _not_ to create jobs just for
the sake of putting somebody to work--the job is a necessary part of
being able to do business but the purpose of the company is to make a
profit first and foremost and except for government and charities,
unless the company makes a sustainable profit there will be no jobs long
term.

So, it really is true the old saying of the '50s--"What's good for
General Motors is good for the US". It's still true and over a period
of time with some certainty there's no question in my mind that more
business-friendly policies will lead to far better economic growth that
regressive policies. It is, after all, a competition worldwide w/ a
mutually beneficial outcome that occurs as expanding economic activity
does "raise all boats".

--

Robert Green wrote:
"Paul J. Dudley" wrote in message

I told my friend that if'n she had any
problems requiring warrenty work I'd change the oil to the
JD stuff before hand.

That's how it's done! For every tall wall, someone's got a taller ladder.
I might even buy a case of stinkin' JD oil, photocopy the receipt and take
it back unopened for a refund, keeping a single can to make the final oil
change before seeking warranty service.
Hmmm,
Today's hi tech engines require specific type oil. Any tranny shop or
lube joint will carry several different specific oil and tranny fluid,
etc. In many cases this is really true. Anti-freeze fluid, engine oil,
power steering tranny fluid are manufacturer specific.

Maybe warranty work was needed because wrong oil was used? I saw some
car radiators gone bad and tranny failed premature because driver put
in wrong stuff. Vehicles in my family is all Japanese and we only have
them serviced by the dealer where we bought them new, never ran into
major issues until trade-in time.

My Kawasaki engine on the old JD mower has Red line synthetic oil. I
changed it only twice in about 15 years. It still runs good. Oil level
did not go down.