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running water but only an outhouse?
If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that
mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote:
If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. ;-) |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, "
wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:58:51 -0400, "
wrote: No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. ;-) .....and she had to prime the hand pump :-\ -- |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. In the 50's my GF was told he had to have an indoor bathroom. He was rather hard-headed, so he told them to take a hike so to speak. Finally he complied and built the bathroom with all fixtures. Then he told the city: (paraphrased) "Now make me hook it up sum bitch." Eventually he did it for family, but hated being told what he had to do. This all happened when the city boundary moved out into the county jurisdiction. Then city rules applied. -- |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. Does that seem likely? |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Aug 16, 4:08*pm, micky wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. * Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. * Does that seem likely?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 16, 4:08*pm, micky wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. * Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. * Does that seem likely?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. Oh, yeah. We had that! In the 60's. I forgot. So you've all helped complete my image of my mother's home, until she was 10 or ~13. Her friends were moving to the north side, and she wanted to move too, but her mother didn't want the headache of moving. Then finally the family moved, and more than once after that. My mother just wished they had started earlier. |
running water but only an outhouse?
" wrote:
-snip- I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. Current system in this house-- Got city water in the 80's. No sign of city sewer. [though they've been talking about widening the state road in front of the house, for 25 years. When they get around to it, they'll probably do sewer, too] Our 'summer camp' when we were growing up was an 18th century farmhouse. When it was built there was a well dug under the kitchen, so there was probably a pitcher pump at a sink of some sort. A 3 hole 'back'-house was built right into the building- beyond the woodshed. That was one spoiled lady.g Jim |
running water but only an outhouse?
Oren wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. In the 50's my GF was told he had to have an indoor bathroom. He was rather hard-headed, so he told them to take a hike so to speak. Finally he complied and built the bathroom with all fixtures. Then he told the city: (paraphrased) "Now make me hook it up sum bitch." Eventually he did it for family, but hated being told what he had to do. This all happened when the city boundary moved out into the county jurisdiction. Then city rules applied. -- My GP had running water but had outhouses. Tub in kitchen for baths, hot water from coal stove. Grandfather would come home coal black. Oddity around Pittsburgh in later years. Toilet in basement with no walls. The Pittsburgh toilet. I don't understand why they didn't have shower, but did have sink for clothes. Greg |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:59 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: " wrote: -snip- I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. Current system in this house-- Got city water in the 80's. No sign of city sewer. [though they've been talking about widening the state road in front of the house, for 25 years When my mother bought our home in Indianapolis in 1957, she noticed that some of the neighbors had bushes planted up close to the road, and others stayed 15 or 20 feet away. She asked and learned that the county owned the land to the farther bushes, and they might be widening the road. 55 years later and the road hasn't budged. . . When they get around to it, they'll probably do sewer, too] Yeah we had a septic tank and a finger system. The tank is under a pink colored cement patio. There was an empty circle above where they had to dig to clean the tank. My mother planted flowers. That was good, because when they dug it up to clean, they didnt' dig in the middle of the yard, but iIf they ever have to dig it up to replace the tank,, they'll not be able to match the cement. I was there 4 years ago, but the patio was covered with snow. If I'd remembered, I would have dug down through the snow, to see if it ever had to be replaced. In the 2nd half of the summer you could t ell where the fingers were because that's where the grass was green. "It don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time." Our 'summer camp' when we were growing up was an 18th century farmhouse. When it was built there was a well dug under the kitchen, so there was probably a pitcher pump at a sink of some sort. A 3 hole 'back'-house was built right into the building- beyond the woodshed. That was one spoiled lady.g I don't get it. Built into the building but past the woodshed? How are both possible? You could get there without going outside? Jim |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:59 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: Got city water in the 80's. Another interesting thing about Indianapolis is that it has two reservoirs, one where sailboats are permitted and one where people use motorboats. They even have a boat for tours or rides, about 75 feet long. Somewhere I said that there was motorboating in the reservoir and people didn't believe me. Maybe that was AHR. But I checked 4 years ago and I was right. Morse Reservoir. Geiss is for sailboats. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On 8/16/12 11:42 AM, micky wrote:
If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? It depends on the age of the house, I guess. My parents (Mom is 91) had windmills for livestock and hand pumps for the house. They had an outhouse. I think REA first brought electricity to that farm sometime around 1947 if I remember the stories correctly. The first farmhouse I grew up in had running water supplied by a private well. The only odd thing was lack of a toilet. The outhouse was maybe 50 yards away or so. There was also a separate wash house on that farm. That farm had artisan wells way back when. Livestock watering was easy. The artisan wells are history. Irrigation has dropped the water levels too far. |
running water but only an outhouse?
I have a friend in the city of pittsburgh that has city water for many years, but is still on a septic tank, because of elevations, last i heard it would cost 85 grand for a new line, o lift pump for the sewer line
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running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:56:57 +0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote: Oren wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. In the 50's my GF was told he had to have an indoor bathroom. He was rather hard-headed, so he told them to take a hike so to speak. Finally he complied and built the bathroom with all fixtures. Then he told the city: (paraphrased) "Now make me hook it up sum bitch." Eventually he did it for family, but hated being told what he had to do. This all happened when the city boundary moved out into the county jurisdiction. Then city rules applied. -- My GP had running water but had outhouses. Perfect. An actual example. Tub in kitchen for baths, hot water from coal stove. Grandfather would come home coal black. Oddity around Pittsburgh in later years. Toilet in basement with no walls. The Pittsburgh toilet. I don't understand why they didn't have shower, but did have sink for clothes. In NYC, it was illegal, for decades I think, to take a bath. Because heaing the water was so much effort, and maybe the water and heat cost money, that more than one person would have to bath in the same water. So people were supposed to go to the public baths, which might have been showers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asser_Levy_Public_Baths built in 1904. It seems public baths were legistlated in NY when many people in tenements had no place to bathe at all. I don't know where the galvanized tub that hang outsdie the kitchen window between buildings came in, before then or afterwards. I guess the law was written so it excluded people with some money. Greg |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:08:46 -0400, micky
wrote: But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. Does that seem likely? Yes, very likely. Many places had pumps for water, then eventually city water, but no sewer. Some houses had septic tanks. In fact, I know of a few houses like that today. |
running water but only an outhouse?
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running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. Exactly. I just remember the odd fixtures in the kitchen. ;-) |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 16, 4:08*pm, micky wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. * Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. * Does that seem likely?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. This house was built in 2007 and has county water and its own septic system. Is 2007 "relatively recently"? ;-) |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:49:57 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:58:51 -0400, " wrote: No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. ;-) ....and she had to prime the hand pump :-\ The hand pump in the back yard was left operational and it was self-priming. The one in the kitchen may have been too. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:27:45 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote: On 8/16/12 11:42 AM, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? It depends on the age of the house, I guess. My parents (Mom is 91) had windmills for livestock and hand pumps for the house. They had an outhouse. I think REA first brought electricity to that farm sometime around 1947 if I remember the stories correctly. The first farmhouse I grew up in had running water supplied by a private well. The only odd thing was lack of a toilet. The outhouse was maybe 50 yards away or so. There was also a separate wash house on that farm. That farm had artisan wells way back when. Livestock watering was easy. The artisan wells are history. Irrigation has dropped the water levels too far. My grandfather's farm had running water in the barn, courtesy of a "ram pump" down in the springhouse about 200 feet or more from the barn. The "dairy cooler" was cooled by that spring water, The house, however, had a pump at the kitchen sink, and a pump on the cistern out back. The "backhouse" was in the orchard. |
running water but only an outhouse?
micky wrote:
If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? It's possible for a house to have running water and no kind of sewage ability. |
running water but only an outhouse?
micky wrote:
If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? The house I grew up in was built in 1880. It had running water in the kitchen long before a bathroom was added (which was before my time). It also still had (capped) gas jets in the walls for lighting. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
running water but only an outhouse?
micky wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:59 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: -snip- A 3 hole 'back'-house was built right into the building- beyond the woodshed. That was one spoiled lady.g I don't get it. Built into the building but past the woodshed? How are both possible? You could get there without going outside? Yes. And it built with a neat little 'jog, so there was always cross-ventilation through the 2 little windows. Underneath the 3 holes there was a door on one end and the crap fell into a box that was on a sled that a horse pulled somewhere when necessary. I guess it wasn't really a wood *shed* -- It was the room off the dining room. There were 7 fireplace in that house-- 4 downstairs and 3 upstairs. The wood 'shed' was the size of a 2 car garage. Jim |
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... No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. ;-) Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, Running water requires a municipal water pipe to the property. Flush toilets require a municipal sewage pipe away from the property. These are separate pipes. Modern practice for "serviced" land builds both pipes at the same time, but these services were added in the 19th century to properties that had already been built, thus not necessarily at the same time. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:44:37 -0400, "
wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 4:08*pm, micky wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. * Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. * Does that seem likely?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. This house was built in 2007 and has county water and its own septic system. Is 2007 "relatively recently"? ;-) Relatively. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:29:37 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? The house I grew up in was built in 1880. It had running water in the kitchen long before a bathroom was added (which was before my time). It also still had (capped) gas jets in the walls for lighting. That's the image I had for their house. Thanks. For other readers, there were almost no apartment buildings in Indianapolis, and even poor people had houses or rented them.. There still aren't many apartments. The city wasn't built out that far in 1920, but when it was gettting near, the law prohibited apartment buildings north of 38th St. (and there weren't many south of that street either. ). I think maybe in the 1970's they allowed an aparatment building between 38th and 40th street. Of course this is the north side and my question was about the south side. There must have been some new housing on the south side but I don't remember any. I only had my own car for two summers while my mother lived there. |
running water but only an outhouse?
micky wrote:
For other readers, there were almost no apartment buildings in Indianapolis, and even poor people had houses or rented them.. What's the name of the (relatively) nice apartment building near downtown? Name begins with "E" IIRC. It dates from the 20s? How about the Marott? 20s too? There still aren't many apartments. The city wasn't built out that far in 1920, but when it was gettting near, the law prohibited apartment buildings north of 38th St. (and there weren't many south of that street either. ). As far as I'm concerned, Indianapolis stops at 38th Street :) In 1949. when I was 16, myself and a buddy hitchhiked down from Marion. The ostensible purpose was to go to the state fair but, hey, as long as we were there, might as well go to the Fox (old burlesque house). Unfortunately, it was closed for the summer. Fortunately, the even older Mutual Follies wasn't :) -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:36:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Aug 16, 4:08*pm, micky wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Aug 16, 12:58*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. *At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. *;-) Being such a big country and given that all this evolved over decades I would expect that there were a variety of combinations. * Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, etc. But what about city water, but no sewers, so that's running water with no pumping but no way to have an indoor toilet. * Does that seem likely?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't see why not. I know of relatively recent situations where they have municipal water but folks still have their own septic systems. We're the opposite; well water and city sewer. They wanted to run a sewer line through our land so as part of the deal we got hooked up for free. The city water line stops at the development over the ridge. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:26:01 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: micky wrote: For other readers, there were almost no apartment buildings in Indianapolis, and even poor people had houses or rented them.. What's the name of the (relatively) nice apartment building near downtown? Name begins with "E" IIRC. It dates from the 20s? How about the Marott? 20s too? Nah, I don't remember therm. Just in case, I'm not saying there were no apartments, but nothing like Chicago or NY or even Baltimore and I think DC where loads of people over much of the city lived in 6 apartment buildings or bigger. There still aren't many apartments. The city wasn't built out that far in 1920, but when it was gettting near, the law prohibited apartment buildings north of 38th St. (and there weren't many south of that street either. ). As far as I'm concerned, Indianapolis stops at 38th Street :) LOL. That's where the fairgrounds are. And the TeePee, right next door. Although I think the TeePee is gone. Although2 it still gets a lot of hits, including the TeePee menu. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimwallace/6921628671/ http://www.rogerlandry.com/teepee.html It looks like the paraphrase menu above got incorporated into the second url too!, but it has a real menu also. When my brother wanted people to open a drive-in restaurant in Brooklyn, they thought he meant a restaurant with a parking lot. In 1949. when I was 16, myself and a buddy hitchhiked down from Marion. The ostensible purpose was to go to the state fair but, hey, as long as we were there, might as well go to the Fox (old burlesque house). Unfortunately, it was closed for the summer. Fortunately, the even older Mutual Follies wasn't :) Hehe. Some time in the 60's my older brother saw a stripper AT the State Fair. At least that's what I was told. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:38:39 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: micky wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:59 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: -snip- A 3 hole 'back'-house was built right into the building- beyond the woodshed. That was one spoiled lady.g I don't get it. Built into the building but past the woodshed? How are both possible? You could get there without going outside? Yes. And it built with a neat little 'jog, so there was always cross-ventilation through the 2 little windows. Underneath the 3 holes there was a door on one end and the crap fell into a box that was on a sled that a horse pulled somewhere when necessary. I guess it wasn't really a wood *shed* -- It was the room off the dining room. There were 7 fireplace in that house-- 4 downstairs and 3 upstairs. The wood 'shed' was the size of a 2 car garage. Jim "summer kitchen" by chance? or just a big "mud room". Or was it used to store fire-wood? In which case it was a "wood shed" |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:37:37 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote: wrote in message ... No, inside water doesn't necessarily mean no outhouse. At one time, my grandmother had a pump at the kitchen sink, though I wasn't around then. ;-) Nothing says that one couldn't have added a well pump and tank for the house without installing toilets, sewer system, Running water requires a municipal water pipe to the property. Flush toilets require a municipal sewage pipe away from the property. These are separate pipes. Modern practice for "serviced" land builds both pipes at the same time, but these services were added in the 19th century to properties that had already been built, thus not necessarily at the same time. Lots of other ways to have either "running water" or "flush toilets" - and in MANY locations city water was easily supplied, but sanitary sewers would be terribly expensive because the houses were several feet to hundreds of feet lower than the sewage treatment facility. |
running water but only an outhouse?
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running water but only an outhouse?
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 07:33:41 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:38:39 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: -snip- I guess it wasn't really a wood *shed* -- It was the room off the dining room. There were 7 fireplace in that house-- 4 downstairs and 3 upstairs. The wood 'shed' was the size of a 2 car garage. Jim "summer kitchen" by chance? or just a big "mud room". Or was it used to store fire-wood? In which case it was a "wood shed" Oops- *8* fireplaces. the summer kitchen was in the basement. it had gotten muddy in 200 years, but had a flagstone floor under the mud. This room was built just for firewood. It had a sliding 4' door, and 2" split boards for the floor and walls--- There was some real character in those boards. We always called it the 'wood shed' -- but somehow, today, it seems like 'shed' implies a separate building. Jim No, the wood shed was virtually always built on to the house. What you had is definitely a "wood shed". |
running water but only an outhouse?
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running water but only an outhouse?
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:04:50 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:04:06 -0400, micky wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:30:11 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 07:33:41 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: This room was built just for firewood. It had a sliding 4' door, and 2" split boards for the floor and walls--- There was some real character in those boards. We always called it the 'wood shed' -- but somehow, today, it seems like 'shed' implies a separate building. Jim No, the wood shed was virtually always built on to the house. What you had is definitely a "wood shed". I didn't know that it was built on to the house. I think one reason for the opposite impression is the expression , "Took me out to the woodshed.", for a whuppin'. Even though the woodshed you describe has a door on the outside, the expression gives the image of walking a distance from the house. "Took me around to the woodshed" would apply to a room built on to the house. So how come people say "out"? It is outside the "heated envelope" of the house, so in the winter in particular, it is DEFINITELY "out". You go out the back door of the house into the woodshed. That makes sense. I think my guess about the misimpression among those who don't have one may be right. |
running water but only an outhouse?
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 07:33:41 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:38:39 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: -snip- I guess it wasn't really a wood *shed* -- It was the room off the dining room. There were 7 fireplace in that house-- 4 downstairs and 3 upstairs. The wood 'shed' was the size of a 2 car garage. Jim "summer kitchen" by chance? or just a big "mud room". Or was it used to store fire-wood? In which case it was a "wood shed" Oops- *8* fireplaces. the summer kitchen was in the basement. it had gotten muddy in 200 years, but had a flagstone floor under the mud. This room was built just for firewood. It had a sliding 4' door, and 2" split boards for the floor and walls--- There was some real character in those boards. We always called it the 'wood shed' -- but somehow, today, it seems like 'shed' implies a separate building. Jim No, the wood shed was virtually always built on to the house. What you had is definitely a "wood shed". My friend moved into his parent's farm house when they passed away. The wood shed was attached to the kitchen and was actually almost twice as big as the kitchen. We dropped the chimney from the old kitchen fireplace into the house then tore down the wall between the kitchen and the wood shed, basically tripling the size of the kitchen. The old chimney bricks were used to repair the 2 huge stoops on the front and side of the house. It was a fun project. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky
wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. (Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? There are still houses that have outhouses in the country. A farm house I lived in the 1970s had a real outhouse, but the hole was filled in with dirt. I moved it and turned it into a chicken coop. In the early 1900s, there may have been a hand pump inside the house. Later a windmill pump or electric one. But that dont mean they always installed a toilet. Some Amish people still build outhouses too. Actually I have a look-alike outhouse. It looks like one but its a shed for garden tools. I just put a moon on the door for fun. So, those that look like outhouses are not always real. |
running water but only an outhouse?
On Aug 21, 11:18*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:42:19 -0400, micky wrote: If a house in town the 1910's or 20's had only an outhouse, does that mean that it did't have running water inside the house? Specifically, I mean Indianapolis. * About a mile or mile and a half south of the center of town. *(Which was or at least became the poor side of town, compared to the north side.) My mother told me that she used an outhouse when she was little, but I guess I assumed my grandparents still had a sink in the kitchen with city water, rather than going out to a well, or pumping in the kitchen. What say ye? There are still houses that have outhouses in the country. *A farm house I lived in the 1970s had a real outhouse, but the hole was filled in with dirt. *I moved it and turned it into a chicken coop. In the early 1900s, there may have been a hand pump inside the house. Later a windmill pump or electric one. *But that dont mean they always installed a toilet. *Some Amish people still build outhouses too. Actually I have a look-alike outhouse. *It looks like one but its a shed for garden tools. *I just put a moon on the door for fun. *So, those that look like outhouses are not always real. The best outhouse I ever used didn't even have a house. A friend spent a summer camping on his land while building a cabin. Throughout the summer, friends and family from all over the country came and went, spending a few days or a few weeks, camping and helping with the build. The land overlooked a valley. My friend build an "outhouse", but didn't build any walls, except for short wall on the back that hid your private oarts from view. You sat on the throne and looked out over the valley. Users approached the "facility" from behind, so you would see the person's head from far off, know that it was being used, and wait your turn. It was a beautiful view. |
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