Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:19:09 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:15:50 -0500, wrote:

I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once
to push things apart.

Jim

You wanna explain how to do this?

http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/alca/exb/FederalPrison/Inmates/Escapes/1946Escape/Goga-18261bSS.html


Now you gave away where I learned how.g

Jim

I've only seen one made in prison, many years ago. It was different
than that link but did the same thing.

These would do the same thing for spreading I suppose.

http://www.elkayprod.com/jacklifts_4.shtml
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Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Aug 8, 3:11*pm, wrote:
I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
horizontally. *The jack did not function. *I grabbed another jack and
found the same problem. *I researched this, and found that these jacks
are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
plane. *These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that
once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang. *Quite
recently I was putting plywood sheets in an attic and laid down 8 or 9
sheets, only to discover that they should have gone a few more inches
toward the rear of the house. *They were not nailed, so they could still
be moved. *The thought of putting a jack against the front rafters and
moving all the sheets at once came to mind, but I knew that was not
possible due to the limitations of these jacks. *Therefore, what could
have been a simple task to jack these sheets over by 3 inches, meant
moving each sheet by hand one at a time.

Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane. *Yet,
there is nothing made to do this. *Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. *Of all the tools onm the
market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

If you're erecting a wall, and the wall is a little off the floor on one
end, a C-clamp or other clamp will pull it inward. *But to move it
outward, your only method is to use a big hammer (which in some cases is
not possible, such as the plywood attic floor).

Yes, there is the "come along". *That tool will work in some places with
a large open area behind it, but it wont work to move a plywood attic
floor or even a shed if there is nothing to attach it to.

Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
just neglected to design such tools?

What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. *And probably more tools
that work simularly.....

I haven't read the whole thread, but the keyword you want to search
for is "porta-power."

nate

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

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I used to work for a flooring guy who had several half inch bolts, (or
5/8") from 2 inches to about 5 inches long. When he had to lift one of
those old heavy cast iron steam heating radiators, he found the closest
bolt that would fit under the radiator, and screw the nut to the end of
the threads to lift the radiator 1/4 inch to push new linoleum under the
legs. But that was only a quarter inch of lift, and more than once he
went beyond the threads and had the radiator fall off the bolt. Luckily
he never got his fingers smashed (that I know of).

I used to think "why dont they make a real short bottle jack for that
sort of thing"?

Ans: a lever with its own fulcrum (like a packing case opener)
will do the job, if long enough.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Aug 9, 4:33*pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote:
wrote in message

...

I used to work for a flooring guy who had several half inch bolts, (or
5/8") from 2 inches to about 5 inches long. *When he had to lift one of
those old heavy cast iron steam heating radiators, he found the closest
bolt that would fit under the radiator, and screw the nut to the end of
the threads to lift the radiator 1/4 inch to push new linoleum under the
legs. *But that was only a quarter inch of lift, and more than once he
went beyond the threads and had the radiator fall off the bolt. *Luckily
he never got his fingers smashed (that I know of).

I used to think "why dont they make a real short bottle jack for that
sort of thing"?

Ans: *a lever with its own fulcrum (like a packing case opener)
will do the job, if long enough.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Which take two people to operate, one to use the lever, the other to
do whatever needs doing.
even if it is only to shove a block under to hold the load up.

Harry K

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...al-Bottle-Jack





"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:18:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

-snip-
there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

I have a 3/4" hard bolt about 18" long that I've used more than once

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Aug 8, 12:34*pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 8, 3:11*pm, wrote:









I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
horizontally. *The jack did not function. *I grabbed another jack and
found the same problem. *I researched this, and found that these jacks
are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
plane. *These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that
once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang. *Quite
recently I was putting plywood sheets in an attic and laid down 8 or 9
sheets, only to discover that they should have gone a few more inches
toward the rear of the house. *They were not nailed, so they could still
be moved. *The thought of putting a jack against the front rafters and
moving all the sheets at once came to mind, but I knew that was not
possible due to the limitations of these jacks. *Therefore, what could
have been a simple task to jack these sheets over by 3 inches, meant
moving each sheet by hand one at a time.

Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane. *Yet,
there is nothing made to do this. *Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. *Of all the tools onm the
market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

If you're erecting a wall, and the wall is a little off the floor on one
end, a C-clamp or other clamp will pull it inward. *But to move it
outward, your only method is to use a big hammer (which in some cases is
not possible, such as the plywood attic floor).

Yes, there is the "come along". *That tool will work in some places with
a large open area behind it, but it wont work to move a plywood attic
floor or even a shed if there is nothing to attach it to.

Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
just neglected to design such tools?

What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. *And probably more tools
that work simularly.....

I've used some bottle jacks on their side. *It may
depend on the design, how much fluid is in it,
etc. * I've also had ones that would not work
on their side.

I've also seen tools with the pump and piston
seperated and connected by a hose. *That way
you can put the piston where you want it and then
pump away. *Good for tight spots.

Enerpac is one of the common mfrs of this type of equipment.

Very versatile & powerful.... they run on hydraulic pump (hand or
electric) with pressures up to 10,000 psi.

http://www.enerpac.com/en/industrial...ts-and-systems

cheers
Bob

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 3:11:33 AM UTC+8, wrote:
I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Now that I fully understand how these jacks work and their limitations,
I'm still looking for something to move heavy objects on a horizontal
plane. These uses may be to move a small shed a foot back, because that
once small tree has grown large and is touching the overhang. Quite
recently I was putting plywood sheets in an attic and laid down 8 or 9
sheets, only to discover that they should have gone a few more inches
toward the rear of the house. They were not nailed, so they could still
be moved. The thought of putting a jack against the front rafters and
moving all the sheets at once came to mind, but I knew that was not
possible due to the limitations of these jacks. Therefore, what could
have been a simple task to jack these sheets over by 3 inches, meant
moving each sheet by hand one at a time.

Having dont lots of building of darn near everything over the years,
I've seen a need for some sort of jacks, as well as clamps and other
devices to move large or heavy objects on a horizontal plane. Yet,
there is nothing made to do this. Bottle jacks dont work on their side,
C-clamps, and Pony clamps all tighten INWARD. Of all the tools onm the
market, there seems to be nothing made to move heavy objects OUTWARD.

If you're erecting a wall, and the wall is a little off the floor on one
end, a C-clamp or other clamp will pull it inward. But to move it
outward, your only method is to use a big hammer (which in some cases is
not possible, such as the plywood attic floor).

Yes, there is the "come along". That tool will work in some places with
a large open area behind it, but it wont work to move a plywood attic
floor or even a shed if there is nothing to attach it to.

Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
just neglected to design such tools?

What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more tools
that work simularly.....

We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose. Awesome bit of kit.

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

(Yes, I know the original query is from 2012...)

In writes:

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 3:11:33 AM UTC+8, wrote:
I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
just neglected to design such tools?

What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more tools
that work simularly.....

We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose. Awesome bit of kit

I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:10:39 -0500, danny burstein
wrote:

(Yes, I know the original query is from 2012...)

In
writes:

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 3:11:33 AM UTC+8,
wrote:
I never gave a second thought to using bottle jacks in any position,
until I tried to use one on it's side, in other words, jack something
horizontally. The jack did not function. I grabbed another jack and
found the same problem. I researched this, and found that these jacks
are not meant to be used on their sides, and learned the reason, which
is all because the fluid must be on the bottom to operate.

Am I the only person on Earth who seems to need a jack or other tool to
move heavy objects on a horizontal plane, or have the tool designers
just neglected to design such tools?

What is needed, is a small and short bottle jack that works on it's
side, as well as a C-clamp that clamps OUTWARD. And probably more
tools
that work simularly.....

We call em' "Porta-power" units in Austraia,..cylinder/ram that can be
used in any position connected to jack/pump unit by flexible hose.
Awesome bit of kit

I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.

I'm wondering why the OP didn't turn the jack
piston side down. They work fine. That might've been one
of the first tricks I learned back in days of yore.


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On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 06:40:10 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.

I'm wondering why the OP didn't turn the jack
piston side down. They work fine. That might've been one
of the first tricks I learned back in days of yore.


This thread is 3 years old, but I have had this problem too.
What do you means to put the piston side down?
They bottom of the piston is in the base, but in that case you're no
longer using the jack horizontal. In a horizontal position, no matter
which way you turn it, it seems to me that it's the same. The only
difference is the part you move to pump it. Are you saying that part
should be "down"? I guess I dont understand you....

Do they make bottle jacks to use horizontally?
 

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:29:23 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 06:40:10 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


I've done exactly this using my car's "scissors jack". Moved
the item a foot or so, put in some wooden spacer blocks,
moved it another foot. Rinse, lather, repeat.

I'm wondering why the OP didn't turn the jack
piston side down. They work fine. That might've been one
of the first tricks I learned back in days of yore.


This thread is 3 years old, but I have had this problem too.
What do you means to put the piston side down?
They bottom of the piston is in the base, but in that case you're no
longer using the jack horizontal. In a horizontal position, no matter
which way you turn it, it seems to me that it's the same. The only
difference is the part you move to pump it. Are you saying that part
should be "down"? I guess I dont understand you....

Yep, you have it. Put the part you move to pump it down.
Rotate this one 90 degrees clockwise.
http://alturl.com/2phyo (Bing image)
Somewhere on the side of the big part is the fill plug. I've
never seen one leak when used sideways though.


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