While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work. You'll spend many thousands
of dollars on equipment that will not have any value. Some persons
believe that the Sun will last forever, when in fact it's nearly dead
now. It's been burning for millions of years, and it's almost out of
fuel. Once the Sun burns out, all solar equipment is obsolete, and
you'll only get scrap metal value for it, which is little compared to
the cost to buy it.

It is likely the Sun will actually burn out before the end of this year.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:26:55 -0500, wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar
power:

While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work.

Not so. While the sun is shining you can capture some of the solar
generated power and use it to power a light that you shine on the
solar power array. That will keep generating electricity after the
sun dies. You can do the same type of recapturing with wind turbines
connected to large fans.

It sounds like a perpetual motion machine, but that is the kind of
thing that appeals to greenie weenie sun/wind enthusiasts.

On 6/28/2012 8:31 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:26:55 -0500, wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar
power:

While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work.

Not so. While the sun is shining you can capture some of the solar
generated power and use it to power a light that you shine on the
solar power array. That will keep generating electricity after the
sun dies. You can do the same type of recapturing with wind turbines
connected to large fans.

It sounds like a perpetual motion machine, but that is the kind of
thing that appeals to greenie weenie sun/wind enthusiasts.


Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400, Frank
wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar power:

Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

Agree. Few people take depreciation into account when making an
economic decision. That's probably because it would interfere with
getting the answer they want.

On 6/28/2012 8:53 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400, Frank
wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar power:

Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

Agree. Few people take depreciation into account when making an
economic decision. That's probably because it would interfere with
getting the answer they want.


The only difference with home-generated energy and
commercially-supplied energy is the size of the government subsidies.
Neither system is economically sustainable without outside support
*or* raising prices to reflect the real costs and risks of the ventures.

Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

And, a home powered by solar would cost a chunk of change to power just some
light bulbs, and a small TV. If you want microwave, clothes dryers, ovens,
toasters, and other stuff, you will have to fork out substantially more in
the beginning.

Amortized over time, it is worthless, unless you want to live in a cave with
one small light bulb.

Steve

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:47:59 -0500, Hell Toupee wrote:

On 6/28/2012 8:53 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400, Frank
wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar power:

Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

Agree. Few people take depreciation into account when making an
economic decision. That's probably because it would interfere with
getting the answer they want.


The only difference with home-generated energy and
commercially-supplied energy is the size of the government subsidies.
Neither system is economically sustainable without outside support
*or* raising prices to reflect the real costs and risks of the ventures.

Spoken like a true lefty loon. I suppose you've never heard of "economy of
scale"? ...or perhaps you think a homeowner can build a Mr. Fusion in his
garage.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 6/28/2012 8:31 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:26:55 -0500, wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar
power:

While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work.

Not so. While the sun is shining you can capture some of the solar
generated power and use it to power a light that you shine on the
solar power array. That will keep generating electricity after the
sun dies. You can do the same type of recapturing with wind turbines
connected to large fans.

It sounds like a perpetual motion machine, but that is the kind of
thing that appeals to greenie weenie sun/wind enthusiasts.


Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.

Nor the occasional hail storm.

On Jun 28, 1:34*pm, Frank wrote:
On 6/28/2012 8:31 AM, CRNG wrote:





On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:26:55 -0500, wrote in
Re Don't invest in solar
power:

While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out..
Without the sun, solar power will not work.

Not so. *While the sun is shining you can capture some of the solar
generated power and use it to power a light that you shine on the
solar power array. *That will keep generating electricity after the
sun dies. *You can do the same type of recapturing with wind turbines
connected to large fans.

It sounds like a perpetual motion machine, but that is the kind of
thing that appeals to greenie weenie sun/wind enthusiasts.

Facetious, obviously, but any homeowner knows that stuff wears out and
has to be replaced. *IMHO, estimated payback periods do not consider
this in their calculations.- Hide quoted text -

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I have a solar array. The payback period is going to be around five
or six years.
This is a better return than leaving the money in the bank these days.
It is supposed to last 25 years minimum.

I expect people in the S of the USA could do much better than me too
financially as ther eismore sun.

On 6/28/2012 3:27 PM, harry wrote:


I have a solar array. The payback period is going to be around five
or six years.
This is a better return than leaving the money in the bank these days.
It is supposed to last 25 years minimum.


ROTFLMFAO!

Would you like to buy a toll bridge?

On Jun 28, 5:38*pm, Greg wrote:
On 6/28/2012 3:27 PM, harry wrote:



I have a solar array. *The payback period is going to be around five
or six years.
This is a better return than leaving the money in the bank these days.
It is supposed to last 25 years minimum.

ROTFLMFAO!

Would you like to buy a toll bridge?

If it is paid back in 5 years it will be via the taxpayers or
other electric users who are getting socked for tax
incentives or jacked up utility rates to pay for it.

And following that justification, there are all kinds
of things that could have great payback periods.
Just get stick someone else with a lot of the
real cost.

"Greg" wrote in message
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On 6/28/2012 3:27 PM, harry wrote:


I have a solar array. The payback period is going to be around five
or six years.
This is a better return than leaving the money in the bank these days.
It is supposed to last 25 years minimum.

How does the solar array and lights on your small garden walkway compare to
regular lights? I find them rather dim.

Steve

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:38:06 -0400, Greg wrote:

On 6/28/2012 3:27 PM, harry wrote:


I have a solar array. The payback period is going to be around five
or six years.
This is a better return than leaving the money in the bank these days.
It is supposed to last 25 years minimum.


ROTFLMFAO!

Would you like to buy a toll bridge?

It very likely could last 25 years. It just wont produce any power when
the Sun burns out later this year. This is not *IF* the Sun burns out,
it's just *WHEN*. It's inevitable, and it's coming soon.

Rather than deveolping solar cells, they need to be developing lunar
cells. The Moon may still shine after the Sun is dead. Of course no
one really knows.

On Jun 28, 4:26 am, wrote:
While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!
The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work. You'll spend many thousands
of dollars on equipment that will not have any value. Some persons
believe that the Sun will last forever, when in fact it's nearly dead
now. It's been burning for millions of years, and it's almost out of
fuel. Once the Sun burns out, all solar equipment is obsolete, and
you'll only get scrap metal value for it, which is little compared to
the cost to buy it.

It is likely the Sun will actually burn out before the end of this year.

Andy comments

If what you say is true, simply take out a loan for the cost of
the
solar installation.... When the sun burns out, there will be no heat
or light, and the loan company cannont find your house to
repossess their property...

..... dude... you just gotta think it through !!!!

Andy

wrote:

While solar power seems to be a form of free energy, after the initial
investment for equipment, dont do it!

The reason is that in less than one year, the Sun is going to burn out.
Without the sun, solar power will not work. You'll spend many thousands
of dollars on equipment that will not have any value. Some persons
believe that the Sun will last forever, when in fact it's nearly dead
now. It's been burning for millions of years, and it's almost out of
fuel. Once the Sun burns out, all solar equipment is obsolete, and
you'll only get scrap metal value for it, which is little compared to
the cost to buy it.

It is likely the Sun will actually burn out before the end of this year.

I remember you! Weren't you the guy who was selling Y2K food & water
supplies and equipment? I had a neighbor who bought three years of your
"Ready Meals". The only reason he didn't sue you is that his wife and
her mother moved out after he bought a 20 year supply blended whiskey.