On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:

On Mar 22, 9:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
And, I find annoying, the people who seem amazed and shocked that anyone
would refuse such a privacy invasion, anal exam, drug test, background
check, *NICS check, etc.

Sadly, while drug tests offend me, I think that they are unavoidable
for any kind of professional position these days and there's not a lot
you can do to fight them as they've been upheld by the courts...
(don't get me wrong, it's not that I would actually do any illegal
drugs, it's just the principle of the thing) I'm trying to remember
the last job I had that didn't require a drug test and it's been over
a decade, just not sure how much (I don't remember at this date
whether one position required one or not.)

Frankly, I don't want to work with druggies, either.

The stuff required to go work for one of the alphabet soups... that
would bother me, although I do understand that national security is
involved.

You don't have to apply for the job, either.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-facebook-pass...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the information,
I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a company that
would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to work
for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal account
unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

Maybe a bit of expansion on that point...

Maybe I wouldn't want to hire anyone who HAD a Face book account.

;-)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:49:45 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:

On Mar 22, 9:43*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
On a similar note. My bank, and also the metals scrap recycling yard have
both insisted on doing a scan of my drivers license, for ID purposes. At the
bank, it's convenience, so the teller can see it's me from the photo. At the
scrap yard, they say it's a new state law, helping track stolen metals.

I believe that, apparently stealing stuff and selling it for scrap is
big "business" in some areas.

Yes, it is. There are several methods that have been used successfully at
significantly cutting theft. Basically force the thief to identify himself. A
legitimate scrap dealer will have no problem with the request. The thief
won't, or will only do it once.

On Mar 22, 2:49*pm, N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:43*am, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
On a similar note. My bank, and also the metals scrap recycling yard have
both insisted on doing a scan of my drivers license, for ID purposes. At the
bank, it's convenience, so the teller can see it's me from the photo. At the
scrap yard, they say it's a new state law, helping track stolen metals.

I believe that, apparently stealing stuff and selling it for scrap is
big "business" in some areas.

nate

Certainly is in the UK right now.

On Mar 22, 1:07*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
And, I find annoying, the people who seem amazed and shocked that anyone
would refuse such a privacy invasion, anal exam, drug test, background
check, *NICS check, etc.

Sadly, while drug tests offend me, I think that they are unavoidable
for any kind of professional position these days and there's not a lot
you can do to fight them as they've been upheld by the courts...
(don't get me wrong, it's not that I would actually do any illegal
drugs, it's just the principle of the thing) *I'm trying to remember
the last job I had that didn't require a drug test and it's been over
a decade, just not sure how much (I don't remember at this date
whether one position required one or not.)

Frankly, I don't want to work with druggies, either.

Where do you draw the line? For the vast majority of positions, the
real issue is "does the employee do a good job." Not whether they use
any pot (or alcohol, or tobacco - don't kid yourself, I bet people are
thinking about that) on their own time.

The stuff required to go work for one of the alphabet soups... *that
would bother me, although I do understand that national security is
involved.

You don't have to apply for the job, either.

No, I don't. And I haven't.

nate

On 03/21/12 07:10 pm, HeyBub wrote:

In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...071251682.html

No biggie. I don't HAVE a facebook page!

At the other extreme are those whose sense of self-worth is determined by
how many "friends" they have.

Pitiful.

I didn't read any of the comments on the page where it was posted, but
our son told us that some of the comments suggested that if the
applicant denied having a Facebook page, the interviewer would assume
that s/he was lying or that s/he was antisocial. Our niece, who is in
HR, said that the interviewer's behavior was outrageous.

Perce

This one might be suited.
http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pi...umber28810.asp

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I take it from that you do own a Mercedes or Rolls?

Nope, I think they're very nice vehicles but not suitable for me because
there is no place to carry a 24' extension ladder on top. ^_^

TDD

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:32:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

This one might be suited.
http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pi...umber28810.asp

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I take it from that you do own a Mercedes or Rolls?

Nope, I think they're very nice vehicles but not suitable for me because
there is no place to carry a 24' extension ladder on top. ^_^

"Charles, set the ladder over there."

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:

On Mar 22, 1:07*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
And, I find annoying, the people who seem amazed and shocked that anyone
would refuse such a privacy invasion, anal exam, drug test, background
check, *NICS check, etc.

Sadly, while drug tests offend me, I think that they are unavoidable
for any kind of professional position these days and there's not a lot
you can do to fight them as they've been upheld by the courts...
(don't get me wrong, it's not that I would actually do any illegal
drugs, it's just the principle of the thing) *I'm trying to remember
the last job I had that didn't require a drug test and it's been over
a decade, just not sure how much (I don't remember at this date
whether one position required one or not.)

Frankly, I don't want to work with druggies, either.

Where do you draw the line? For the vast majority of positions, the
real issue is "does the employee do a good job."

Certainly it depends on the job. McD's burger flipper is different than one
where the level of trust is greater than showing up.

Not whether they use
any pot (or alcohol, or tobacco - don't kid yourself, I bet people are
thinking about that) on their own time.

Agreed. Illegal drugs are a good place to draw the line in most cases. The
company is on pretty solid ground, there. It does depend on the job and the
level of trust required, though. Also, higher salaried (trust) jobs could
easily have higher standards.

Financial situations are another sore subject here, but I think it's
absolutely relevant for many positions, particularly high-level or
professional careers.

The stuff required to go work for one of the alphabet soups... *that
would bother me, although I do understand that national security is
involved.

You don't have to apply for the job, either.

No, I don't. And I haven't.

I didn't mean *you*. ;-)

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

Red Green wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...facebook-passw
ords-071251682.html

No biggie. I don't HAVE a facebook page!

Ditto.


At the other extreme are those whose sense of self-worth is determined
by how many "friends" they have.

Exactly!


Pitiful.

Very.

N8N wrote in
:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-facebook-pass
...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the information,
I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a company that
would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to work
for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal account
unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract and
illegal. I could be sued."

"If I was hired by your company would you want me to give out access to
such information in the future for the asking?"

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT), N8N
wrote:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...d-facebook-pas
s...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the information,
I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a company that
would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to work
for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal account
unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

Maybe a bit of expansion on that point...

Maybe I wouldn't want to hire anyone who HAD a Face book account.

;-)




Awesome point!!!

harry wrote in
:

On Mar 22, 4:32*am, Bill wrote:
In article , postmaster@
127.0.0.1 says...



In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-facebook-pass
...

For jobs requiring a security background check, they want to know
everything about you. Some require a polygraph test as well.

Or if the job was for a big name politician, they would want to make
sure you have nothing which could later embarrass the politician.

For THOSE types of jobs, seems reasonable to me.

But for McDonalds, assembling parts, or any regular job, who cares?
No reason to check.

As for people who text on a cell phone or post things about
themselves on the internet, they should realize they are leaving a
written record of everything they say. Quite different from the days
when people used to "talk" to each other!

Employers need to be sure you're not a nutcase.
America is manifestly full of nutcases. You only have to seen the
responses on this group.

Kiss my ass Harry. If we ever meet I'm gonna kill you and **** your dead
eye socket.

:-)

Red,
An emotionally stable US born American

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green wrote:

N8N wrote in
:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-facebook-pass
...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the information,
I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a company that
would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to work
for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal account
unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract and
illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession of their
property?

"If I was hired by your company would you want me to give out access to
such information in the future for the asking?"

On 3/22/2012 4:32 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
This one might be suited.
http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pi...umber28810.asp


That truck looks Red Chinese for some reason. o_O

TDD

On Mar 22, 11:19*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:07*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
And, I find annoying, the people who seem amazed and shocked that anyone
would refuse such a privacy invasion, anal exam, drug test, background
check, *NICS check, etc.

Sadly, while drug tests offend me, I think that they are unavoidable
for any kind of professional position these days and there's not a lot
you can do to fight them as they've been upheld by the courts...
(don't get me wrong, it's not that I would actually do any illegal
drugs, it's just the principle of the thing) *I'm trying to remember
the last job I had that didn't require a drug test and it's been over
a decade, just not sure how much (I don't remember at this date
whether one position required one or not.)

Frankly, I don't want to work with druggies, either.

Where do you draw the line? *For the vast majority of positions, the
real issue is "does the employee do a good job."

Certainly it depends on the job. *McD's burger flipper is different than one
where the level of trust is greater than showing up.

Not whether they use
any pot (or alcohol, or tobacco - don't kid yourself, I bet people are
thinking about that) on their own time.

Agreed. *Illegal drugs are a good place to draw the line in most cases. *The
company is on pretty solid ground, there. *It does depend on the job and the
level of trust required, though. *Also, higher salaried (trust) jobs could
easily *have higher standards.

Financial situations are another sore subject here, but I think it's
absolutely relevant for many positions, particularly high-level or
professional careers.

The stuff required to go work for one of the alphabet soups... *that
would bother me, although I do understand that national security is
involved.

You don't have to apply for the job, either.

No, I don't. *And I haven't.

I didn't mean *you*. *;-)-

I though very low standards was a requirement for anything financial?
And knowledge of the muppet tribe.

On Mar 23, 12:54*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 3/22/2012 4:32 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

This one might be suited.
* * *http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pi...umber28810.asp

That truck looks Red Chinese for some reason. o_O

TDD

It's a Mercdeds you bloody fool!!! :-)
The very one you've been looking for with the ladder rack!

Heh Heh.

On 3/23/2012 2:37 AM, harry wrote:
On Mar 23, 12:54 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 3/22/2012 4:32 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

This one might be suited.
http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pi...umber28810.asp

That truck looks Red Chinese for some reason. o_O

TDD

It's a Mercdeds you bloody fool!!! :-)
The very one you've been looking for with the ladder rack!

Heh Heh.

But look at its eyes, er, headlights, they're slanted. o_O

TDD

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:32:26 -0400, Moe Gasser
wrote:

On 3/22/2012 5:42 AM, wrote:

I email them photos, which is just between me and them. Why would I
want the whole world seeing pictures of my vacation or my kids? Then
again, why would I want to see those same kind of pictures of strangers
who seem to believe their *real friends* are those on their facebook
page, and the more of these "friends" they have, the more important they
are.


I recently bought all the necessary tuneup parts for my lawnmower from
Amazon. At the end of the transaction, there was an Facebook link to
click to let the whole world know that I had just purchased a set of
blades, oil filters, air filters, spark plugs and a couple belts.

And I thought no one cared.

That's exactly the kind of stuff I was seeing on FB. People showing
photos of their dinner plate, of a car parked in front of their house,
of themselves mowing the lawn, picture of a book they got at the
library, etc. and stories like this:

"I went to Walmart today, located at 6033 Elm St. in Boobla AZ. I pulled
into the parking lot at 2:14pm, parked in space 27 aisle 4. I arrived
inside the store at 2:17 pm and bought a dozen Farm Fresh brand eggs, an
18oz loaf of low fat Wonder white bread, a box of 20 Trojan Condoms, a 4
pack of Scott toilet paper, and a 12oz jar of Smuckers Raspberry jam. I
checked out at exactly 2:48.49pm at checkout counter #7. The checkout
clerk was named Debra Smith. The cost of my purchase was $11.27 plus
$0.58 tax. The total cost was $11.85, which I paid with my Mastercard,
card number 6107-5041-3288-9916 exp date 07-2015. I arrived at my car
at 2:53:12pm and pulled onto the street at 2:55:01pm. The traffic was
heavy, weather partly cloudy 64 deg F, and I had to stop at the red
light in Main St. at 3:01:54pm. The light turned green at 3:02:18pm in
a 30mph speed zone, but due to heavy traffic I was only traveling
between 15 to 23mph. etc........... etc...........

Everyone wants to know **** like this, and I have the whole rest of my
life to stare at a screen reading this kind of crap!!!!
Thank you Facebook (which I prefer to call Face****).

On 3/23/2012 5:03 AM, wrote:

clerk was named Debra Smith. The cost of my purchase was $11.27 plus
$0.58 tax. The total cost was $11.85, which I paid with my Mastercard,
card number 6107-5041-3288-9916 exp date 07-2015.

I'll be your 'friend' if you post your real card number. ;-)

-Moe

On Mar 22, 5:15*pm, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote:
On 03/21/12 07:10 pm, HeyBub wrote:

In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-facebook-pass....

No biggie. I don't HAVE a facebook page!

At the other extreme are those whose sense of self-worth is determined by
how many "friends" they have.

Pitiful.

I didn't read any of the comments on the page where it was posted, but
our son told us that some of the comments suggested that if the
applicant denied having a Facebook page, the interviewer would assume
that s/he was lying or that s/he was antisocial. Our niece, who is in
HR, said that the interviewer's behavior was outrageous.

Perce

For the record, I am antisocial but still have a Facebook account.
And there's nothing wrong with being antisocial.

nate

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Mar 22, 11:19*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:07*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), N8N wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
And, I find annoying, the people who seem amazed and shocked that anyone
would refuse such a privacy invasion, anal exam, drug test, background
check, *NICS check, etc.

Sadly, while drug tests offend me, I think that they are unavoidable
for any kind of professional position these days and there's not a lot
you can do to fight them as they've been upheld by the courts...
(don't get me wrong, it's not that I would actually do any illegal
drugs, it's just the principle of the thing) *I'm trying to remember
the last job I had that didn't require a drug test and it's been over
a decade, just not sure how much (I don't remember at this date
whether one position required one or not.)

Frankly, I don't want to work with druggies, either.

Where do you draw the line? *For the vast majority of positions, the
real issue is "does the employee do a good job."

Certainly it depends on the job. *McD's burger flipper is different than one
where the level of trust is greater than showing up.

Not whether they use
any pot (or alcohol, or tobacco - don't kid yourself, I bet people are
thinking about that) on their own time.

Agreed. *Illegal drugs are a good place to draw the line in most cases. *The
company is on pretty solid ground, there. *It does depend on the job and the
level of trust required, though. *Also, higher salaried (trust) jobs could
easily *have higher standards.

Financial situations are another sore subject here, but I think it's
absolutely relevant for many positions, particularly high-level or
professional careers.

The stuff required to go work for one of the alphabet soups... *that
would bother me, although I do understand that national security is
involved.

You don't have to apply for the job, either.

No, I don't. *And I haven't.

I didn't mean *you*. *;-)-

I though very low standards was a requirement for anything financial?
And knowledge of the muppet tribe.

One of these days, harry, you're going to make sense, if even my accident.

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in
:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...ed-facebook-pa
ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a
company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to
work for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal
account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract
and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession of
their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself and the
company, not to be shared outside the original non-disclosure agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six digit
ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.



"If I was hired by your company would you want me to give out access
to such information in the future for the asking?"

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in
:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...ed-facebook-pa
ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for a
company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to
work for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal
account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract
and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession of
their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself and the
company, not to be shared outside the original non-disclosure agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six digit
ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.

Every such document I've signed required me to fork over any confidential
information upon termination. The confidentiality agreement itself wasn't by
any means confidential. What's the point in that?

" wrote in
:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
m:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in

m:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...sked-facebook-
pa ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for
a company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to
work for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal
account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract
and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession of
their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself and
the company, not to be shared outside the original non-disclosure
agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six digit
ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.

Every such document I've signed required me to fork over any
confidential information upon termination. The confidentiality
agreement itself wasn't by any means confidential. What's the point
in that?


Pushback statements. To prove they exist would be illegal. Request
interviewer to get release from "ABC Megapizza" so you can show them. You
know how far that will go. Interviewer can say you must get the release.
You know how far that will go.

Point is not to go into some fantasy scenario here. It's that plausable
pushback exists. And of course you can't prove the reason you did not get
selected for a job was because you didn't fork over such info.

Being out of a job, you probably don't have bucks floating around to
start some legal battle to prove such a thing. But I figure if it ever
happened to me I'd have 20 bucks to but an ad in the paper. Takers or
not, I bet it would get the attention from a lot of arenas. It could be
tuned for more impact but something like:

***
Potential client seeks law firm on contingency. Not hired for job where I
was asked for computer and online account access containing legal,
medical & financial information.
***

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in

m:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...sked-facebook-
pa ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work for
a company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over a
password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability, and
clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to those
above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not want to
work for someone who would ask me for a password to a personal
account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of contract
and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession of
their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself and
the company, not to be shared outside the original non-disclosure
agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six digit
ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.

Every such document I've signed required me to fork over any
confidential information upon termination. The confidentiality
agreement itself wasn't by any means confidential. What's the point
in that?


Pushback statements. To prove they exist would be illegal. Request
interviewer to get release from "ABC Megapizza" so you can show them. You
know how far that will go. Interviewer can say you must get the release.
You know how far that will go.

If they're illegal, that part of the employment contract is null. Next.

Point is not to go into some fantasy scenario here. It's that plausable
pushback exists. And of course you can't prove the reason you did not get
selected for a job was because you didn't fork over such info.

Fat chance.

Being out of a job, you probably don't have bucks floating around to
start some legal battle to prove such a thing. But I figure if it ever
happened to me I'd have 20 bucks to but an ad in the paper. Takers or
not, I bet it would get the attention from a lot of arenas. It could be
tuned for more impact but something like:

If I needed the job, I'd give them whatever papers from the previous job I had
(none). I've been out of work, recently, but was never broke enough that I
couldn't tell an prospective employer to pound sand. "You want a release for
my credit?" "Sure thing" (it's ~82). "You want me to **** in the cup, uh,
OK, but all I see is your coffee cup."

***
Potential client seeks law firm on contingency. Not hired for job where I
was asked for computer and online account access containing legal,
medical & financial information.
***

" wrote in
:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
m:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
m:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in
.
co m:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-asked-faceboo
k- pa ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work
for a company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over
a password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability,
and clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to
those above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not
want to work for someone who would ask me for a password to a
personal account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of
contract and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession
of their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself
and the company, not to be shared outside the original
non-disclosure agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six
digit ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.

Every such document I've signed required me to fork over any
confidential information upon termination. The confidentiality
agreement itself wasn't by any means confidential. What's the point
in that?


Pushback statements. To prove they exist would be illegal. Request
interviewer to get release from "ABC Megapizza" so you can show them.
You know how far that will go. Interviewer can say you must get the
release. You know how far that will go.

If they're illegal, that part of the employment contract is null.
Next.

Point is not to go into some fantasy scenario here. It's that
plausable pushback exists. And of course you can't prove the reason
you did not get selected for a job was because you didn't fork over
such info.

Fat chance.

Being out of a job, you probably don't have bucks floating around to
start some legal battle to prove such a thing. But I figure if it ever
happened to me I'd have 20 bucks to but an ad in the paper. Takers or
not, I bet it would get the attention from a lot of arenas. It could
be tuned for more impact but something like:

If I needed the job, I'd give them whatever papers from the previous
job I had (none). I've been out of work, recently, but was never broke
enough that I couldn't tell an prospective employer to pound sand.
"You want a release for my credit?" "Sure thing" (it's ~82). "You
want me to **** in the cup, uh, OK, but all I see is your coffee cup."

***
Potential client seeks law firm on contingency. Not hired for job
where I was asked for computer and online account access containing
legal, medical & financial information.
***



Been there done that with credit, ****ing, nut coughing.

Remotely logging into my computer or giving them passwords to log into suff
is the question - being allowed to request such a thing is the issue.

It's all done in steps. Eventually what? A walkthrough of your house where
they can go through you closets & draws to see what kind of person they're
hiring. "Are these dildos yours or your wifes?".

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:18:32 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
om:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:35:07 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

N8N wrote in
.
co m:

On Mar 21, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC), Red Green

wrote:
In case you missed this one.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-se...-asked-faceboo
k- pa ss ...

I don't even have a Facebook page, but if asked for the
information, I'd tell them to F off and leave. *I'd not work
for a company that would even ask for such information.

We're losing our freedom, piece by piece.

I wouldn't want to *hire* someone who would willingly hand over
a password to a facebook account. They'd be an IT liability,
and clearly don't have the intestinal fortitude to point out to
those above when something is a stupid idea. I would also not
want to work for someone who would ask me for a password to a
personal account unless it was a test for stupidity as above.

nate

"My computer contains confidential exit information from previous
employers. When I started with the company I signed a disclosure
agreement. To give you access to that would be a breach of
contract and illegal. I could be sued."

Not sure that's a winner. What are you still doing in possession
of their property?


It's EXIT INFO given to me defined as confidential between myself
and the company, not to be shared outside the original
non-disclosure agreement.

You know, the one we both signed on day one when we got our six
digit ID's and relates to everything marked XXX Confidential.

Every such document I've signed required me to fork over any
confidential information upon termination. The confidentiality
agreement itself wasn't by any means confidential. What's the point
in that?


Pushback statements. To prove they exist would be illegal. Request
interviewer to get release from "ABC Megapizza" so you can show them.
You know how far that will go. Interviewer can say you must get the
release. You know how far that will go.

If they're illegal, that part of the employment contract is null.
Next.

Point is not to go into some fantasy scenario here. It's that
plausable pushback exists. And of course you can't prove the reason
you did not get selected for a job was because you didn't fork over
such info.

Fat chance.

Being out of a job, you probably don't have bucks floating around to
start some legal battle to prove such a thing. But I figure if it ever
happened to me I'd have 20 bucks to but an ad in the paper. Takers or
not, I bet it would get the attention from a lot of arenas. It could
be tuned for more impact but something like:

If I needed the job, I'd give them whatever papers from the previous
job I had (none). I've been out of work, recently, but was never broke
enough that I couldn't tell an prospective employer to pound sand.
"You want a release for my credit?" "Sure thing" (it's ~82). "You
want me to **** in the cup, uh, OK, but all I see is your coffee cup."

***
Potential client seeks law firm on contingency. Not hired for job
where I was asked for computer and online account access containing
legal, medical & financial information.
***



Been there done that with credit, ****ing, nut coughing.

Remotely logging into my computer or giving them passwords to log into suff
is the question - being allowed to request such a thing is the issue.

Maybe your computer has a video card problem and you couldn't read this part:

"If I needed the job, I'd give them whatever papers from the previous
job I had (none). I've been out of work, recently, but was never broke
enough that I couldn't tell an prospective employer to pound sand."

It's all done in steps. Eventually what? A walkthrough of your house where
they can go through you closets & draws to see what kind of person they're
hiring. "Are these dildos yours or your wifes?".

Kinda like registering firearms?