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old water spot on sheetrock
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot
was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? |
old water spot on sheetrock
On 1/3/2012 9:06 AM, Doug wrote:
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? That, I would presume wouldn't be a kiln but the brand name "Kilz"... Why not follow the recommendations on the can? -- |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Jan 3, 9:06*am, "Doug" wrote:
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. *It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. * I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. *I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. *Which method do you think I should consider to do? You mean KILZ, I believe. I would wipe the surface with pure household/laundry bleach on a rag, and then allow it to dry for at least 24 hours before painting. A hair dryer could speed up the bleach drying process if you are in a hurry. Then follow the instructions that are on the paint can. |
old water spot on sheetrock
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old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:18:47 -0600, dpb wrote:
On 1/3/2012 9:06 AM, Doug wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? That, I would presume wouldn't be a kiln but the brand name "Kilz"... Why not follow the recommendations on the can? Ok, good idea. And yes, my mistake... should be Kilz !! |
old water spot on sheetrock
On 1/3/2012 10:06 AM, Doug wrote:
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? It's been my experience that, once wet, sheetrock becomes soft and powdery. Might be a good idea to dig it out and patch. Wiping the entire surface with mild solution of cleaner and/or bleach should not hurt...Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, Norminn
wrote: On 1/3/2012 10:06 AM, Doug wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? It's been my experience that, once wet, sheetrock becomes soft and powdery. Might be a good idea to dig it out and patch. Wiping the entire surface with mild solution of cleaner and/or bleach should not hurt...Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. I will consider this as a last option. The wet ... actually damp spot is the size of a quarter and tho it's taking a LONG time to fully dry, I would rather give it the time to dry. So far, the sheetrock seems firm even in that remaining spot but maybe if I pushed really hard in that small spot, it might collapse, dunno but I'd rather not do that at this time. I think(??) that with enough time it will dry tho I'm beginning to use a hair dryer to help. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On 1/3/2012 1:27 PM, Doug wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, wrote: On 1/3/2012 10:06 AM, Doug wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? It's been my experience that, once wet, sheetrock becomes soft and powdery. Might be a good idea to dig it out and patch. Wiping the entire surface with mild solution of cleaner and/or bleach should not hurt...Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. I will consider this as a last option. The wet ... actually damp spot is the size of a quarter and tho it's taking a LONG time to fully dry, I would rather give it the time to dry. So far, the sheetrock seems firm even in that remaining spot but maybe if I pushed really hard in that small spot, it might collapse, dunno but I'd rather not do that at this time. I think(??) that with enough time it will dry tho I'm beginning to use a hair dryer to help. Seems odd to have a spot that size that takes a long time to dry...I assume you know the source of the moisture and it is corrected? |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:19:14 -0500, Norminn
wrote: On 1/3/2012 1:27 PM, Doug wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, wrote: On 1/3/2012 10:06 AM, Doug wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? It's been my experience that, once wet, sheetrock becomes soft and powdery. Might be a good idea to dig it out and patch. Wiping the entire surface with mild solution of cleaner and/or bleach should not hurt...Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. I will consider this as a last option. The wet ... actually damp spot is the size of a quarter and tho it's taking a LONG time to fully dry, I would rather give it the time to dry. So far, the sheetrock seems firm even in that remaining spot but maybe if I pushed really hard in that small spot, it might collapse, dunno but I'd rather not do that at this time. I think(??) that with enough time it will dry tho I'm beginning to use a hair dryer to help. Seems odd to have a spot that size that takes a long time to dry...I assume you know the source of the moisture and it is corrected? Agreed and yes and yes. Roof vent pipe leak and repaired. Has not rained since repair so spot should dry. Of course I don't really know if the leak is repaired for sure until next rain but since it has not rained, the spot should dry. I'd really like it to dry so I can paint it before next rain so I know leak is fixed tho I can go back in attic to check like I did the first time. I'm going to keep your idea in the back of my head as the last resort. Hopefully I won't have to do that but I appreciate your idea in case. |
old water spot on sheetrock
Doug wrote:
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? Clean the area with a wall cleaner (TSP substitute). When you paint over Kilz (or any other glossy primer/sealer) the paint will have a different sheen than the other areas of the wall. If you want a good match, clean, Kilz, and repaint the entire wall. If that's not a concern, go ahead and wash, kilz, and paint the stained area. You can always go back and re-prime and paint if it doesn't turn out. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Jan 3, 10:06*am, "Doug" wrote:
I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. *It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. * I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. *I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. *Which method do you think I should consider to do? Black spots are probably mold/mildew and are below the surface where bleach doesn't get to it. I would cut it out since sheet rock is neither difficult or expensive to replace. Cutting it out from stud to stud is probably the easiest way to go. This will also give you a chance to inspect insulation and for other damage. Jimmie |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:06:16 -0600, "Doug"
wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I had black stuff due to mold, and I thought that bleach would turn it white. The chlorine bleach killled the mold, but didn't have any effect on the color, and that's when I realized nothing said it would. I don't know if you have mold of course, but you also don't have a cotton or cashmere sweater there. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:23:11 -0500, micky
wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:06:16 -0600, "Doug" wrote: I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the sheetrock. I was thinking to either apply 2 or 3 coats of kiln before the correct matching paint or perhaps a little bleach on the spot and allowed to dry before applying kiln. I had black stuff due to mold, and I thought that bleach would turn it white. The chlorine bleach killled the mold, but didn't have any effect on the color, Repeated tries had no effect on the color. I learn slow. and that's when I realized nothing said it would. I don't know if you have mold of course, but you also don't have a cotton or cashmere sweater there. I might also lightly sand the wall before either method. Which method do you think I should consider to do? |
old water spot on sheetrock
Use a kiln? To assist with the drying?
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Doug" wrote in message ... I want to use Kiln on the sheetrock where an old (now dry) water spot was. It's brown and slightly black spots in a small area of the at this time. I think(??) that with enough time it will dry tho I'm beginning to use a hair dryer to help. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, Norminn
wrote: .Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. Somewhat true. It is a brand name, but . . . Most latex primers will allow stains and wood knots to bleed through. Unlike regular primers, Kilz has 10 different types, both oil and latex based and can block stains far better than regular primer. |
old water spot on sheetrock
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, Norminn wrote: .Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. Somewhat true. It is a brand name, but . . . Most latex primers will allow stains and wood knots to bleed through. Unlike regular primers, Kilz has 10 different types, both oil and latex based and can block stains far better than regular primer. I second that. Kilz has always worked great for me and I've used probably 4 different types for many different applications. When I find a brand that works I stick with it. |
old water spot on sheetrock
Doug,
I recently tried the latex Kilz and it didn't cover very well. Even after three coats. Try the oil-based or another brand. dss |
old water spot on sheetrock
On 1/3/2012 9:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:53:31 -0500, wrote: .Kilz is a brand, not a specific primer. Any quality primer should work just fine if used according to label. Somewhat true. It is a brand name, but . . . Most latex primers will allow stains and wood knots to bleed through. Unlike regular primers, Kilz has 10 different types, both oil and latex based and can block stains far better than regular primer. I think most of the major brands have "stain blocking" primers. I'm just sayin'.....one important factoid is that they still require the clean, dry, dust-free surface that reg. paint does. Some folks think "Kilz" has magic powers and just slap it onto peeling paint or dirty surfaces. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 05:44:03 -0800 (PST), dss
wrote: Doug, I recently tried the latex Kilz and it didn't cover very well. Even after three coats. Try the oil-based or another brand. dss dss, I originally had a spray can of Kilz but it's oil based. I realized that after the Kilz paint is on the wall, I want to match the color of the wall. However the touch up paint I already have for this, is a latex paint so I bought a few days ago a can of Latex Kilz to use instead of the spray can. I will remember your advice just in case tho. Thank you. |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 05:44:03 -0800 (PST), dss
wrote: Doug, I recently tried the latex Kilz and it didn't cover very well. Even after three coats. Try the oil-based or another brand. dss Did you stir the Kilz frequently? Make sure it is mixed well. I've never had any fail - used in four houses. I'm in the desert. We built a roof over the patio. I painted the new fascia trim and ends of the beam (exposed) with Kiltz water-based. It sat through several or more summers before I finally painted the wood. Scuffed it up with some sand paper and the paint went down. I've covered "red children's drawings" on walls. Couple coats - done. |
old water spot on sheetrock
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old water spot on sheetrock
Did you stir the Kilz frequently? *Make sure it is mixed well. *I've
never had any fail - used in four houses. I'm in the desert. We built a roof over the patio. I painted the new fascia trim and ends of the beam (exposed) with Kiltz water-based. It sat through several or more summers before I finally painted the wood. *Scuffed it up with some sand paper and the paint went down. I've covered "red children's drawings" on walls. Couple coats - done. We had some serious ice dam issues last year so they were water spots. This happens every few years depending on how much snow we get and when. I've always used the oil-based spray cans (Kilz or Zinsser) and they cover like magic. I expect the problem was trying to cover water spots with a water-based sealer. I contacted the Kilz people and they offered to replace my quart of the latex with a gallon of the oil, but it wasn't worth jumping through all their hoops (pictures of the can, the spots and receipts, etc). I did find an old spray can of Kilz in the basement and it covered in one coat. I suspect that any brand of latex sealer may have trouble with water spots. I'll stick with oil in the future. dss |
old water spot on sheetrock
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 06:35:42 -0800 (PST), dss
wrote: Did you stir the Kilz frequently? *Make sure it is mixed well. *I've never had any fail - used in four houses. I'm in the desert. We built a roof over the patio. I painted the new fascia trim and ends of the beam (exposed) with Kiltz water-based. It sat through several or more summers before I finally painted the wood. *Scuffed it up with some sand paper and the paint went down. I've covered "red children's drawings" on walls. Couple coats - done. We had some serious ice dam issues last year so they were water spots. This happens every few years depending on how much snow we get and when. I've always used the oil-based spray cans (Kilz or Zinsser) and they cover like magic. I expect the problem was trying to cover water spots with a water-based sealer. I contacted the Kilz people and they offered to replace my quart of the latex with a gallon of the oil, but it wasn't worth jumping through all their hoops (pictures of the can, the spots and receipts, etc). I did find an old spray can of Kilz in the basement and it covered in one coat. I suspect that any brand of latex sealer may have trouble with water spots. I'll stick with oil in the future. dss Just started to paint the water spot I had with 4 coats latex Kilz (wall is latex paint) and now it's covered. I did mix it well but perhaps didn't apply it thick enough (??) so hence the 4 coats. I'm debating on applying a 5th coat for the heck of it. It only takes about 4 minutes to paint the area so not a big deal. Biggest deal is climbing the 4' step ladder with bad back ... bad balance. I manage but it's a pain knowing in my younger days I would have laughed at this comment. |
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