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Ethanol ate my lawnmower
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...nd-tear-of-e10
Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:35:32 -0400, Cheeseball wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...nd-tear-of-e10 Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year¡Xmostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. Here in Missouri the gas stations are REQUIRED to add alcohol to gasoline once the price hits a certain point. It has been years since there has been no alcohol in all regular and midrange gasoline here. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/25/2011 6:35 PM, Cheeseball wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...nd-tear-of-e10 Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. And i've never had a bit of problem with it. My chainsaws are 20+ years old and my weedeater and blower are 5 years old. Never had a second of problem with any of them. Oh, wait, I did replace the fuel pickup hose on ONE of the chain saws. Dam! A $2 repair in 20 years. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 25, 8:35*pm, Cheeseball
wrote: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...ols/can-boutiq... Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. Here in IL they are required to blend in ethanol. In next door Indina you can still get pure gas. I love filling up whenever I get to IN. But on the other hand gas line freeze up is a thing of the past in IL. Before we had ethanol, gas line freeze up was the main cause for hard/no starts in winter. Now anyone who buys a can of Heat in IL is buying snake oil, you dont need it anymore. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/25/2011 9:14 PM, RickH wrote:
My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. LMAO! -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 26, 6:48*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/25/2011 9:14 PM, RickH wrote: My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. LMAO! -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. It also cause increased emissions of formaldehyde and ozone. Both cause smog and cancer. Adding ethanol is another way of improving the "anti-knock" properteries rather than using lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE#Al...ti-knock_agent |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
harry wrote in
: The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. What "problem" are you referring to? Ethanol is ethanol, regardless of the feedstock used to make the ethanol. Polymers in the fuel system need to be formulated to tolerate ethanol regardless of the feedstock. Ethanol is an expensive waste whether you use corn or sugar cane. Even Al Gore admits this now, revealing recently that he'd only pushed for fuel- ethanol as a sop to farm states in the hopes of improving his chances at the presidency. -- Tegger |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
http://news.consumerreports.org/home...r-engines.html "But since ethanol started being added to fuel sold in Florida in 2007, the power-equipment pros were seeing something new: metal parts crusted up, plastic parts stiffened and cracked, and everything rubber, including the tips of needle valves, deteriorated. (The photo shows how ethanol could impact the carburetor of a small gas engine; the white, crusty film is apparently caused by the ethanol.)" |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/26/2011 3:07 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:48 am, Steve wrote: On 10/25/2011 9:14 PM, RickH wrote: My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. LMAO! -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. It also cause increased emissions of formaldehyde and ozone. Both cause smog and cancer. Adding ethanol is another way of improving the "anti-knock" properteries rather than using lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE#Al...ti-knock_agent You're as dumb about chemistry as you are about politics, Harry. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/26/2011 3:43 AM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in : The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. What "problem" are you referring to? Ethanol is ethanol, regardless of the feedstock used to make the ethanol. Polymers in the fuel system need to be formulated to tolerate ethanol regardless of the feedstock. Ethanol is an expensive waste whether you use corn or sugar cane. Even Al Gore admits this now, revealing recently that he'd only pushed for fuel- ethanol as a sop to farm states in the hopes of improving his chances at the presidency. Your reply, more erudite than mine, is correct, but, don't try to reason with Harry. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/25/2011 9:35 PM, Cheeseball wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...nd-tear-of-e10 Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. It did in my snow thrower a few years ago. Older equipment has seals that are attacked by the higher solvent power of E10. I remember when it was mandated in all gas stations around here and they had to close to clean out their tanks to put in E10. Similarly they cannot pipeline it because any deposits in tanks or pipes will have any insoluble crud contaminate the E10. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
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Ethanol ate my lawnmower
I'd just caught a sale on "dry gas" and bought a bunch, and
then the state started with the gasohol. Wasted a bunch of money on small bottles of alcohol, and now it's in the gasohol already. Oh, well. One of these days before the snow, I'm going to pour my one gallon of gas mix in the truck fuel tank, and buy some premium to make gas mix, for my snow blower. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "RickH" wrote in message ... My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. Here in IL they are required to blend in ethanol. In next door Indina you can still get pure gas. I love filling up whenever I get to IN. But on the other hand gas line freeze up is a thing of the past in IL. Before we had ethanol, gas line freeze up was the main cause for hard/no starts in winter. Now anyone who buys a can of Heat in IL is buying snake oil, you dont need it anymore. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
ethanol cuts fuel mileage too........
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Ethanol ate my lawnmower
Stormin Mormon wrote:
TinyURL was created! The following URL: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...utdoor-tools/c an-boutique-fuel-save-small-engines-from-the-wear-and-tear-o f-e10 has a length of 125 characters and resulted in the following TinyURL which has a length of 26 characters: http://tinyurl.com/3c4ksfx Anyone else have that page repeatedly hang their computer. It loads partway, then nothing. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 26, 8:43*am, Tegger wrote:
harry wrote : The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. *Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. What "problem" are you referring to? Ethanol is ethanol, regardless of the feedstock used to make the ethanol. Polymers in the fuel system need to be formulated to tolerate ethanol regardless of the feedstock. Ethanol is an expensive waste whether you use corn or sugar cane. Even Al Gore admits this now, revealing recently that he'd only pushed for fuel- ethanol as a sop to farm states in the hopes of improving his chances at the presidency. -- Tegger "Ethanol" refers to a group of chemicals not just the one. They have different properties |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 26, 12:31*pm, Frank wrote:
On 10/26/2011 3:07 AM, harry wrote: On Oct 26, 6:48 am, Steve *wrote: On 10/25/2011 9:14 PM, RickH wrote: My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. LMAO! -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. *Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. *It also cause increased emissions of formaldehyde and ozone. Both cause smog and cancer. Adding ethanol is another way of improving the "anti-knock" properteries rather than using lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE#Al...as_an_anti-kno... You're as dumb about chemistry as you are about politics, Harry.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ethanol contains traces of other substances depending on what it was derived from. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/26/11 11:42 am, harry wrote:
The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. What "problem" are you referring to? Ethanol is ethanol, regardless of the feedstock used to make the ethanol. Polymers in the fuel system need to be formulated to tolerate ethanol regardless of the feedstock. Ethanol is an expensive waste whether you use corn or sugar cane. Even Al Gore admits this now, revealing recently that he'd only pushed for fuel- ethanol as a sop to farm states in the hopes of improving his chances at the presidency. "Ethanol" refers to a group of chemicals not just the one. They have different properties That may be the sense in which the petroleum industry uses the term, but strictly speaking "ethanol" (alternatively, "ethyl alcohol") is a single well-defined chemical substance whose formula is C2H5OH (the 2 and 5 should be subscripted, but I can't do it with this keyboard and character set). See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol WIWAL in UK, "Cleveland Distol" was a widely advertised motor fuel that contained (IIRC) 5% ethanol, a byproduct of The Distillers' Company's whisky and other potable beverage production. I used it often in my motorcycle. Perce |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 2011-10-26, Bob F wrote:
Anyone else have that page repeatedly hang their computer. It loads partway, then nothing. Works for me, running linux and seamonkey (netscape) with noscript. As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. On one hand we hear it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two decades. One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early as the late 80s, long before it was required. I ran it, by choice, in my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not containing alcohol. And pray tell, what's that additive we've been putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water condensation accumulation? Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol? My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:00:44 -0700, bob haller wrote:
ethanol cuts fuel mileage too........ .... when it kills your engine and you can't go anywhere ;-) |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart
recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb a lifetime friend who runs a small gas engine repair place bames ethanol. its a big operation he should know.......... |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:14:07 -0700 (PDT), RickH
wrote: On Oct 25, 8:35Â*pm, Cheeseball wrote: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...ols/can-boutiq... Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year€”mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. Here in IL they are required to blend in ethanol. In next door Indina you can still get pure gas. I love filling up whenever I get to IN. But on the other hand gas line freeze up is a thing of the past in IL. Before we had ethanol, gas line freeze up was the main cause for hard/no starts in winter. Now anyone who buys a can of Heat in IL is buying snake oil, you dont need it anymore. Untill some cold day when the water load gets high enough that you suffer phase separation and the hooch falls out of suspension. It still won't freeze, but the car doesn't like running on 60-80 proof ethanol. You need to add "heet" to get the water and hooch back into the fuel mix. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:31:28 -0400, Frank
wrote: On 10/26/2011 3:07 AM, harry wrote: On Oct 26, 6:48 am, Steve wrote: On 10/25/2011 9:14 PM, RickH wrote: My car runs better on ethanol free gas too. LMAO! -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email The problem arises because US ethanol is derived from corn. Elsewhere it is derived from sugar cane. It also cause increased emissions of formaldehyde and ozone. Both cause smog and cancer. Adding ethanol is another way of improving the "anti-knock" properteries rather than using lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE#Al...ti-knock_agent You're as dumb about chemistry as you are about politics, Harry. Ethanol "marginally" increases octane of fuel, as the AKI of neet ethanol is somewhere around 115. So E10 would have an octane rating a couple of a points higher than plain gasoline. Start with 87 octane - 28 points spread between the gasoline and ethanol. Add 1/10 ethanol and you get 2.8 points - but the ethanol is not anhydrous - it contains water - which lowers the concentration - and therefore the octane increase. I know it's not 100% linear - but that is the rough essence of it. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:27:59 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson
wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:00:44 -0700, bob haller wrote: ethanol cuts fuel mileage too........ ... when it kills your engine and you can't go anywhere ;-) E10 drops fuel mileage about 5% because ethanol has only half the heat /energy content as Gasoline. 10% ethanol means 5% less energy in the same volume of fuel. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb a lifetime friend who runs a small gas engine repair place bames ethanol. its a big operation he should know.......... And the ethanol is killing the old stuff too. "greenies" in the carb and fuel system were NEVER a problem before ethanol fuel - and the esimple expedient of NEVER running ethanol gas totally prevents it. We are lucky enough here in Ontario Canada to still be able to buy "abstainers gas" from the Shell Premium pumps. I use it in all my small engine equipment except when I have surplus 100LL Avgas available.(generally premix for the 2 stroke stuff) |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
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Ethanol ate my lawnmower
And the folks at Briggs&Stratten have this to say: "It is also recommended that fuel is purchased in quantities that can be used within 30 days. This will assure fuel freshness and volatility tailored to the season. NOTE: We DO NOT recommend the use of gasoline which contains alcohol, such as gasohol. Gasoline used MUST NOT contain more than 10 percent Ethanol and MUST be removed from the engine during storage if it is not already treated with our Fuel Stabilizer. DO NOT use gasoline containing Methanol. DO NOT use E85." http://www.briggsandstratton.com/eng...nleaded%20gas/ or http://preview.tinyurl.com/3zjvlsn |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
harry wrote in
: "Ethanol" refers to a group of chemicals not just the one. They have different properties The Wiki page you yourself referenced earlier shows a single molecule, and gives a single molecular construction. -- Tegger |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 26, 6:01*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2011-10-26, Bob F wrote: Anyone else have that page repeatedly hang their computer. It loads partway, then nothing. Works for me, running linux and seamonkey (netscape) with noscript. * As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. *On one hand we hear it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two decades. *One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early as the late 80s, long before it was required. *I ran it, by choice, in my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not containing alcohol. *And pray tell, what's that additive we've been putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water condensation accumulation? *Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol? My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb Yes,you're right. We have alcohol in petrol over here in one brand since the 70's. They used to call it ignition control additive. In Brazil some cars run on pure alcohol. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On 10/27/2011 3:25 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:01 pm, wrote: On 2011-10-26, Bob wrote: Anyone else have that page repeatedly hang their computer. It loads partway, then nothing. Works for me, running linux and seamonkey (netscape) with noscript. As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. On one hand we hear it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two decades. One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early as the late 80s, long before it was required. I ran it, by choice, in my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not containing alcohol. And pray tell, what's that additive we've been putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water condensation accumulation? Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol? My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb Yes,you're right. We have alcohol in petrol over here in one brand since the 70's. They used to call it ignition control additive. In Brazil some cars run on pure alcohol. Please remember it is the votes who elected these Congressmen who have required ethanol. If you don't like ethanol please vote in new people who will repeal all of the ridiculous subsidies and requirements. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
I think the power is in the primaries. By the time the vote
gets to me, it's either fascist B, or socialist C. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Pointer" wrote in message ... Yes,you're right. We have alcohol in petrol over here in one brand since the 70's. They used to call it ignition control additive. In Brazil some cars run on pure alcohol. Please remember it is the votes who elected these Congressmen who have required ethanol. If you don't like ethanol please vote in new people who will repeal all of the ridiculous subsidies and requirements. |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Oct 27, 3:07 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I think the power is in the primaries. By the time the vote gets to me, it's either fascist B, or socialist C. Andy comments ...... or, in the present case.... illusionist ...... Andy in Eureka, Texas PS The alcohol in the gas affects the ignition timing. Modern cars have computers controlling the timing that can compensate.... Chain sqws and lawn mowers don't... Firing at the wrong time loses power and stresses the pistons....... |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. On one hand we hear it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two decades. One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early as the late 80s, long before it was required. I ran it, by choice, in my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not containing alcohol. And pray tell, what's that additive we've been putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water condensation accumulation? Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol? My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. Ethanol is NOT allowed in general aviation fuel supplies because ethanol is a lousy fuel. Maybe someday they'll find an additive that eliminates all the ethanol problems but until then I won't be trusting my life to it. |
Ethanol ate my boat motor too
http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=93871
USA. Department of Energy reports show severe damage to marine engines from E15 "On Friday the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy released the results of two studies on the effects of using fuel that is 15 percent ethanol in volume (E15) in marine engines. The studies were conducted on engines provided by two marine engine manufactures; Both are members of National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA). The long-awaited reports show significant problems with outboard, stern drive and inboard engines. Results of the reports show severe damage to engine components and an increase in exhaust emissions, reinforcing the recreational boating industry’s concern that E15 is not a suitable fuel for marine engines. Emissions and durability testing compared E15 fuel and fuel containing zero percent ethanol (E0) and examined exhaust emissions, exhaust gas temperature, torque, power, barometric pressure, air temperature, and fuel flow. Specifically, the report showed degraded emissions performance outside of engine certification limits as well as increased fuel consumption. In separate testing on engine durability, each tested engine showed deterioration, including two of the three outboard engines, with damages severe enough to prevent them from completing the test cycle. The E0 test engines did not exhibit any fuel related issues." http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=93871 |
Ethanol ate my boat motor too
On 2011-10-28, Jack Hammer wrote:
USA. Department of Energy reports show severe damage to marine engines from E15 Lawnmowers, chainsaws, and now marine engines (undefined) are dropping like flies due to the evils of alcohol. Can anyone please explain to me why there are not a legion of dead vehicles on the side of every hiway in America, every single day, and why my '91 Ford V8 van and my '91 Toyota still purr like new kittens running this evil brew for the last decade? No, they can't. I'll tell you why. It's all horse****! If it was millions of ppl's cars that were dying, there'd be riots. Chainsaws and gas leaf blowers? Nobody gives a crap. If alcohol rots yer chainsaw, it's because it's a piece of junk. End of story. nb |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: On Oct 26, 6:01Â*pm, notbob wrote: On 2011-10-26, Bob F wrote: Anyone else have that page repeatedly hang their computer. It loads partway, then nothing. Works for me, running linux and seamonkey (netscape) with noscript. Â* As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. Â*On one hand we hear it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two decades. Â*One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early as the late 80s, long before it was required. Â*I ran it, by choice, in my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not containing alcohol. Â*And pray tell, what's that additive we've been putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water condensation accumulation? Â*Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol? My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than any alcohol in the gas. nb Yes,you're right. We have alcohol in petrol over here in one brand since the 70's. They used to call it ignition control additive. In Brazil some cars run on pure alcohol. Yes, but they are DESIGNED to run on straight Hooch. North American market engines are NOT |
Ethanol ate my Evinrude
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyl...514_058678.htm
The Great Ethanol Scam Not only is ethanol proving to be a dud as a fuel substitute but there is increasing evidence that it is destroying engines in large numbers And there are active lawsuits from boat owners; ethanol broke down the resins in their fiberglass gas tanks, destroying their marine engines. Additionally, those who deal in small gas engines for lawnmowers, edgers, and weedeaters have quickly learned that, as Briggs & Stratton's (BGG) Web site warns, "Ethanol-blended gasoline can attract moisture, which leads to separation and formation of acids during storage. Acidic gasoline can damage the fuel system of an engine while in storage. B&S strongly recommends removing ethanol-blended fuels from engine during storage." |
Ethanol ate my lawnmower
Cheeseball wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...nd-tear-of-e10 Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them, according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains. All I know is what I read in the papers.... Someone is bound to mention this, might as well get it over with, http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/default.aspx |
Ethanol ate my boat motor too
"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=93871 USA. Department of Energy reports show severe damage to marine engines from E15 Bah, you'll be fine if you always use e10 gas that is less than 30 days old. Resist the temptation to use older stuff as it will damage your engines. Stuff that's older than 30 days I just dump out down the street on a vacant lot. Matter of fact, it's Nov 1st coming up so I gotta do my monthly fuel purge this weekend. |
Ethanol ate my Evinrude
On 2011-10-28, notbob wrote:
The Great Ethanol Scam [...] storage." Wow. The first time I've ever been counterfeited/socked/whatever. I almost feel honored. However, it's not me. ;) nb |
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