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What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
A question for the locksmiths he
Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 8:24 am, "Robert Green" wrote:
A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). If misplacing things is a problem, going without that car for a while until the key can be replaced would be an issue, and your travel patterns would make your retrieval problematic, getting a spare makes sense. It's insurance, right? Peace of mind. http://www.brandtlocksmiths.com/doc/DOcAC.htm R |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. Hi, You can buy a blank key with virgin chip. Having it cut is easy but programming is done by a dealer. I don't know locksmith have something to program it. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On 10/25/2011 5:24 AM, Robert Green wrote:
A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. sigh -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Tony Hwang wrote: Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. Hi, You can buy a blank key with virgin chip. Having it cut is easy but programming is done by a dealer. I don't know locksmith have something to program it. Some locksmiths are equipped to program chip keys. On some vehicles you are able to program new chip keys yourself as long as you have two working chip keys to use in the process. It's a *really* good idea to get extra keys when you get the vehicle and put a couple away somewhere safe. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On 10/25/2011 10:48 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. Hi, You can buy a blank key with virgin chip. Having it cut is easy but programming is done by a dealer. I don't know locksmith have something to program it. Many locksmiths and even the local ACE have key programmers. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 4:14*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/25/2011 5:24 AM, Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? *This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. *Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? *I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. *sigh -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They nearly all have in the UK. You have to the dealer with proof of ownership and chassis number. The manufacturer sends the identity number via the internet or fax which is progammed into the key. Cost $100 per key (seven years ago), so best not to loose it. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On 10/25/2011 10:14 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/25/2011 5:24 AM, Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? ... .... or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. sigh Are there any (just a question, I've not seen anything recently in what I've either looked at or bought that has the option to not)? -- |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd
open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? Some locksmiths are equipped to program chip keys. On some vehicles you are able to program new chip keys yourself as long as you have two working chip keys to use in the process. It's a *really* good idea to get extra keys when you get the vehicle and put a couple away somewhere safe. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
I doubt it. I'm not sure if the electronic hooplah is
mandated by our nanny government, or if it's what the car makers want to put in. In any case, probably can't find a simple vehicle any more. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "dpb" wrote in message ... or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. sigh Are there any (just a question, I've not seen anything recently in what I've either looked at or bought that has the option to not)? -- |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Robert Green wrote:
A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Before you go to the dealership for the spare key, try the BORG. On my last trip to HD, they had a selection of chipped key replacements in the $40-$60 range. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 3:31*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , *"Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. * *But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz Just a guess: Hook the programmer up to the car's computer and download the code required to program the key. If the original key was required, then I doubt *anyone*, including the dealer, would be able to duplicate the key. Here's a related, and somewhat humorous, story. I coach Girl's Softball. The team met in the high school parking lot and we all boarded the bus. A few minutes down the road our short stop's cell phone rang. Turns out Mom has one of those push-button- start cars where all you have to do is have the key nearby, like in a pocket, to start it. It also turns out that Mom had let the daughter drive the car to the school with Mom in the passenger seat. Guess who still had the keys in their pocket? The girl on the bus! Mom was worried that the car was going to stall on the way home and wanted us to come back. Even though it was still running, she assumed that it wouldn't stay running without the key nearby. We weren't about to turn around, so she took a chance and drove home (about a mile). She made it home, moved her husband's car out of the driveway so she didn't block it in and then shut her car down, leaving it sit until late that night when we got back from our game. I guess they'll stay running even if the key is moved away from the vehicle. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Robert Green" wrote in
: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. My service station guys lost the key to my 2005 caravan (they say in a car that was going to Newark for shipment to East Africa or something). I had a spare, and the chief said he would pay for a replacement. Local Chrysler dealer charged $275 ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? Depends on the vehicle I would think. If you or the locksmith have the "real" factory scan/diag unit you can normally program new keys without any current keys. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 1:04*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? *This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. *Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? *I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Before you go to the dealership for the spare key, try the BORG. On my last trip to HD, they had a selection of chipped key replacements in the $40-$60 range. Yer kiddin'? Do you know anyone who actually BOUGHT one of those that worked? Straight question. Also: for older cars or just recent models? I lost the key with clicker for my Nissan, and the dealer quoted $265. So I worry about losing the remaining key. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Robert Green" wrote in message ... A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Do yourself a big favor and get spares made now. If you still have to working keys you can buy inexpensive (relatively) chipped key blanks on Ebay, and have a locksmith cut them for you, then program them yourself. This why anyone with security keys needs to always have 3 programmed keys so if they lose one they still have two to use to program a new spare. If you only have one programmed key, you will have to have a dealer, or a locksmith with the capability, make new copies for you. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On 10/25/2011 4:22 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Oct 25, 3:31 pm, Kurt wrote: In , "Stormin wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz Just a guess: Hook the programmer up to the car's computer and download the code required to program the key. If the original key was required, then I doubt *anyone*, including the dealer, would be able to duplicate the key. Why not? You always have to design in a method just for such events. I have only seen it done once and the dealer had to contact the manufacturer for some sort of hash that they entered via their diagnostic unit. Here's a related, and somewhat humorous, story. I coach Girl's Softball. The team met in the high school parking lot and we all boarded the bus. A few minutes down the road our short stop's cell phone rang. Turns out Mom has one of those push-button- start cars where all you have to do is have the key nearby, like in a pocket, to start it. It also turns out that Mom had let the daughter drive the car to the school with Mom in the passenger seat. Guess who still had the keys in their pocket? The girl on the bus! Mom was worried that the car was going to stall on the way home and wanted us to come back. Even though it was still running, she assumed that it wouldn't stay running without the key nearby. We weren't about to turn around, so she took a chance and drove home (about a mile). She made it home, moved her husband's car out of the driveway so she didn't block it in and then shut her car down, leaving it sit until late that night when we got back from our game. I guess they'll stay running even if the key is moved away from the vehicle. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
I've never done one. And it's been years since I read any
articles in the locksmith magazines I get. I wouldn't want to try and answer specifics. I'd be sure to get it wrong. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Kurt Ullman" wrote in message m... In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 7:24*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? *This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. *Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? *I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. I'm not sure about now...but when I worked with a locksmith in '99, the GM cars had 20 different chipped keys plus the 10s of 1000s of different key-cut combinations. You had a key-reader to find the proper chipped key blank, then cut the key. So, if you had a spare key (non-chipped) and then got your key chip number. You could have that in the event you lost the original! |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On 10/25/11 3:31 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In , "Stormin wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? It is a common mis-understanding that what gets "programmed" is the key. Wrong. The car's computer is programmed to accept that specific new key (or keys) individual PIN code, which any new key is provided with in it's packaging. Same for remote controls, which is why the used ones people buy on eBay etc (and don't get a code) end up being paperweights. When I worked at a dealer, we had many cases of people losing their last key, and car had to be towed to nearest dealership for programming a new key. Also re these new remote keys, we did have a case where guy went to airport, got out of car, it kept running til it ran out of gas while he was gone. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
In article , George
wrote: Why not? You always have to design in a method just for such events. I have only seen it done once and the dealer had to contact the manufacturer for some sort of hash that they entered via their diagnostic unit. I kept the number that was on the keys when I got it. Non-chipped, I just read the numbers to the dealer and they made a new key. I wonder if the numbers are all I need with a chipped key. -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Robert Green wrote:
I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). I lost a key to a 2006 Chevy pickup once. Had to go to the dealer and prove ownership, they made me a key in 10 mins. based on the VIN#. About $50. -- "I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality. If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us, We're going to kill you first, period." October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report) |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
Reed wrote: On 10/25/11 3:31 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote: In , "Stormin wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? It is a common mis-understanding that what gets "programmed" is the key. Wrong. The car's computer is programmed to accept that specific new key (or keys) individual PIN code, which any new key is provided with in it's packaging. Yes, however there is truth to needing active keys to program a new one. On some Fords at least, you can program new keys yourself as long as you have two current active keys to use in the process, if you don't have active keys you have to get the vehicle to the dealer and have them use the VCM/IDS setup to program new keys. Same for remote controls, which is why the used ones people buy on eBay etc (and don't get a code) end up being paperweights. When I worked at a dealer, we had many cases of people losing their last key, and car had to be towed to nearest dealership for programming a new key. Yes, which is why I recommend getting extras when you get the vehicle and storing them somewhere safe. If I loose my current keys I still have two stored away so I'm both not stuck, and I can still program more keys myself. Also re these new remote keys, we did have a case where guy went to airport, got out of car, it kept running til it ran out of gas while he was gone. Yep, and you can also accidentally unlock the vehicle you just locked if other stuff in your pocket presses the button while you're walking away. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
In article ,
Pete C. wrote: Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? Depends on the vehicle I would think. If you or the locksmith have the "real" factory scan/diag unit you can normally program new keys without any current keys. Just wanted to add, on many vehicles, the _key_ is not programmable. rather, the scan tool or key replacment procedure programs the vehicle ECM (computer) to recognize the key. What's more, certain make/models have ECM with a limit on the number of keys they will recognize, and no way to "free" a key code no longer used; IOW, once you've programmed the vehicle for new keys 10 times (typically, might be more/less) that particular vehicle will not be able to have any more new keys added without a new ECM too. Good luck with that. -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"G" wrote in message
... Robert Green wrote: I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). I lost a key to a 2006 Chevy pickup once. Had to go to the dealer and prove ownership, they made me a key in 10 mins. based on the VIN#. About $50. Interesting. This car's had the original key replaced (insurance only paid for one key when the original van came with two) so I bought a second one, chipped, for $75 at TruValue by giving them the new key (the older, original keys will open, but not start, the van). So now I have two and that's probably enough because I can always clone the second key if the first is lost. I've got an entry only key for the wallet (had them make a plain copy - which doesn't work - bad cutting - but which will be recut by TruValue when I return to them). Now I have to see if I can hide the chipped spare in the car somewhere far enough from the steering column that it's not "seen" by the immobilizer circuit. The reason I've asked all this is today I parked in a lot next to a storm drain grate and dropped my keys. Only exceptionally good luck kept them from sliding right into oblivion so I began to wonder how much of a tragedy that would be as I began to look for a chain to attach the keys to my pant's belt loop. Good input from everyone and not the comedy fest I had feared with a potential straight line like the subject "What happens?" What happens is you could be seriously screwed or inconvenienced and for $75 it might not be a bad idea to buy some more insurance. I might even ask Tru-Value to give me the code for the chip in the key (they have to have a reader) that I can write on the wallet key as a little more (and cheaper) insurance that a locksmith can get me in if I screw up and dump the keys in a black hole. -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Bob_Villa" wrote in message
... On Oct 25, 7:24 am, "Robert Green" wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. I'm not sure about now...but when I worked with a locksmith in '99, the GM cars had 20 different chipped keys plus the 10s of 1000s of different key-cut combinations. You had a key-reader to find the proper chipped key blank, then cut the key. So, if you had a spare key (non-chipped) and then got your key chip number. You could have that in the event you lost the original! Yes, that's what I will do when I get Tru-Value to rework the plain key I had made for my wallet so even if I lost the keychain, I could wait for the locksmith INSIDE the van! Thanks, Bob -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"SRN" wrote in message
... "Robert Green" wrote in message ... A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Do yourself a big favor and get spares made now. If you still have to working keys you can buy inexpensive (relatively) chipped key blanks on Ebay, and have a locksmith cut them for you, then program them yourself. This why anyone with security keys needs to always have 3 programmed keys so if they lose one they still have two to use to program a new spare. If you only have one programmed key, you will have to have a dealer, or a locksmith with the capability, make new copies for you. Three keys it is. The downside seems steep enough to warrant the $75 expense. Thanks for your input! -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Han" wrote in message
... "Robert Green" wrote in : A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. My service station guys lost the key to my 2005 caravan (they say in a car that was going to Newark for shipment to East Africa or something). I had a spare, and the chief said he would pay for a replacement. Local Chrysler dealer charged $275 ... That's what my Chrysler dealer wanted - fortunately TruValue did my dupe for $75. Makes you just love dealerships even more than before. Reminds me of the universally adaptable joke: Who's your second favorite profession? Car dealers. Who's your first favorite? Everybody else! -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
... On Oct 25, 1:04 pm, "HeyBub" wrote: Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Before you go to the dealership for the spare key, try the BORG. On my last trip to HD, they had a selection of chipped key replacements in the $40-$60 range. Yer kiddin'? Do you know anyone who actually BOUGHT one of those that worked? Straight question. Also: for older cars or just recent models? I lost the key with clicker for my Nissan, and the dealer quoted $265. So I worry about losing the remaining key. That's obscene. Based on Han's experience, you should be able to buy them somewhere else for $65 absent the dealer's $200 markup. I'm worried, too. -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m... Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). Before you go to the dealership for the spare key, try the BORG. On my last trip to HD, they had a selection of chipped key replacements in the $40-$60 range. Tru-Value did it for $75 for a Cripesler, other cars were in the same range you mention. Still others even Tru-Value wanted $100+ for. Thanks for your input! -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
... I doubt it. I'm not sure if the electronic hooplah is mandated by our nanny government, or if it's what the car makers want to put in. In any case, probably can't find a simple vehicle any more. I have to say that when I was in a serious crash, spinning around at over 55mph, watching the doors blow open and everything in the car lifting up in the air in slow motion, flying out of the car from centrifical force, I was sure glad to have those damn nanny-mandated automatic seat and shoulder belts keeping me from joining my briefcase, sunglasses, tissue box and under-seat tire iron as they levitate upward and outward. (-: -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"dpb" wrote in message ...
On 10/25/2011 10:14 AM, Steve Barker wrote: On 10/25/2011 5:24 AM, Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? ... ... or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. sigh Are there any (just a question, I've not seen anything recently in what I've either looked at or bought that has the option to not)? This was a great deal for a kneeling van with a handicapped ramp, electric everything, auto-wheelchair lockdowns, etc. that was a couple of years old. New = $49,000 with the Braun modifications. I got it three years later, almost new, with only 22K miles for under $25K. Bought it from an Ebay lister who didn't get his reserve price after three tries and took my offer outside of Ebay which, in my mind, makes up for the number of immense screw jobs I got from Ebay before I stopped doing business with them. I didn't think that Ebay would offer much in the way of fraud protection and that state vehicle law would. So I had little choice in the accessory options. Yes, it's probably unethical, but I am a "transactional ethicist, like most people. If the "good deeds" outweigh the "bad deeds" in general, I'm OK with it. (-: It is called FeeBay for a reason. It made my dad's last days on earth schlepping back and forth to doctors and hospitals a little bit easier, so it was worth every cent. Now, it's my main vehicle. With the ramp and the specially lowered floor, it's a great cargo hauler. -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Steve Barker" wrote in message
... On 10/25/2011 5:24 AM, Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. or just get a car that doesn't have that ****. sigh Not many left. This was just too good a deal to pass up. Half price at three years old with only 22K and a good inspection report AND only thirty miles away - a rarity for Ebay Motors. If you needed one (and IIRC, you've got some health issues that might require it some day) you would have jumped at this one. I reviewed over 100 handicapped vans very closely because there are a lot of rip off artists selling beat to death rejects from city paratransit services on Ebay. This one was in-state, nearly new, private party with kid that had improved enough to no longer required using a motorized wheelchair. A win all around. A kneeling, ramped van is just about the only way to move a heavy power wheelchair around. You can get them with swing-out lifts which are better for tight parking spots (the ramp style requires a full-sized parking spot next to it to deploy in). But the lift styles won't operate manually and occasionally drop the chairs, sometimes on the already damaged feet of the wheelchair user. I would recommend them only to retired crane operators. (-: More than you ever wanted to know about handicapped vans. -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"George" wrote in message
... On 10/25/2011 10:48 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: Robert Green wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. Hi, You can buy a blank key with virgin chip. Having it cut is easy but programming is done by a dealer. I don't know locksmith have something to program it. Many locksmiths and even the local ACE have key programmers. Yep, that's where I will probably be getting my second spare. TruValue sells my particular key for $75. Thanks for your input! -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Reed" wrote in message
... On 10/25/11 3:31 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote: In , "Stormin wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? It is a common mis-understanding that what gets "programmed" is the key. Wrong. The car's computer is programmed to accept that specific new key (or keys) individual PIN code, which any new key is provided with in it's packaging. Same for remote controls, which is why the used ones people buy on eBay etc (and don't get a code) end up being paperweights. When I worked at a dealer, we had many cases of people losing their last key, and car had to be towed to nearest dealership for programming a new key. Also re these new remote keys, we did have a case where guy went to airport, got out of car, it kept running til it ran out of gas while he was gone. Okay. $75 isn't a bad 1-time insurance premium to pay to make sure I've always got an original. That seems to be the "key" to the whole chipped key problem. Life is *probably* going to be easier if you either have the code number and a plain metal key or a spare chipped key - or both. Thanks! -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 7:24*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? *This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. *Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? *I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. I carry a spare un-chipped key in my wallet that will get me into the car. To start it I have a spare chipped key well hidden inside the car. Ace hardware will make a chip key for around $75 (which is a bargain over the dealer). Carrying a spare chiped key in the wallet hurts my ass because they are so thick. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
On Oct 25, 11:18*pm, RickH wrote:
On Oct 25, 7:24*am, "Robert Green" wrote: A question for the locksmiths he Would a locksmith be able to get me started if I somehow lost the RF chipped key that starts my car? *This is a 2002 Chrysler minivan with a device in the steering column called an "immobilser" (and spelled that way, too) that will turn the starter but not engage the engine unless the chipped key is near the steering column. *Do they have the tools to re-create that kind of key on-site or what? *I know locksmiths can duplicate the key, but they have the original to start with. I want to figure out if it's worth buying and hiding a spare key for inside the van somewhere (far enough away not to activate the immobilizer). TIA, -- Bobby G. I carry a spare un-chipped key in my wallet that will get me into the car. *To start it I have a spare chipped key well hidden inside the car. *Ace hardware will make a chip key for around $75 (which is a bargain over the dealer). *Carrying a spare chiped key in the wallet hurts my ass because they are so thick.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do exactly the same as Rick . |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Larry W" wrote in message
... In article , Pete C. wrote: Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? Depends on the vehicle I would think. If you or the locksmith have the "real" factory scan/diag unit you can normally program new keys without any current keys. Just wanted to add, on many vehicles, the _key_ is not programmable. rather, the scan tool or key replacment procedure programs the vehicle ECM (computer) to recognize the key. What's more, certain make/models have ECM with a limit on the number of keys they will recognize, and no way to "free" a key code no longer used; IOW, once you've programmed the vehicle for new keys 10 times (typically, might be more/less) that particular vehicle will not be able to have any more new keys added without a new ECM too. Good luck with that. If I manage to lose nine keys or have nine more teenage kids try to steal it, I'll just give up on driving. I'll have to look up the bill. I believe my insurance company and I were charged about $400 for a new immobilizer. Had a $500 deductible - total bill for kids popping the door and then the steering column lock was over $1,000. -- Bobby G. |
What happens if you ever lose a "chipped" key for your car?
"Pete C." wrote in message
.com... Reed wrote: On 10/25/11 3:31 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote: In , "Stormin wrote: Some locksmiths, mostly in cities, have that capability. I'd open the yellow pages, call several locksmiths in the city (cities) near you. But don't you need at least one active key to program it from? It is a common mis-understanding that what gets "programmed" is the key. Wrong. The car's computer is programmed to accept that specific new key (or keys) individual PIN code, which any new key is provided with in it's packaging. Yes, however there is truth to needing active keys to program a new one. On some Fords at least, you can program new keys yourself as long as you have two current active keys to use in the process, if you don't have active keys you have to get the vehicle to the dealer and have them use the VCM/IDS setup to program new keys. Same for remote controls, which is why the used ones people buy on eBay etc (and don't get a code) end up being paperweights. When I worked at a dealer, we had many cases of people losing their last key, and car had to be towed to nearest dealership for programming a new key. Yes, which is why I recommend getting extras when you get the vehicle and storing them somewhere safe. If I loose my current keys I still have two stored away so I'm both not stuck, and I can still program more keys myself. Also re these new remote keys, we did have a case where guy went to airport, got out of car, it kept running til it ran out of gas while he was gone. Yep, and you can also accidentally unlock the vehicle you just locked if other stuff in your pocket presses the button while you're walking away. Been there, done that. The late Robert Bass suggested heat shrink tubing to cover the remote and that provided just the right amount of resistance to prevent accidental pocket firing. Coated both remotes. Next time I'll use clear shrink tubing rather than black so I can still see the key labels. -- Bobby G. |
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