On 2011-09-12, Han wrote:
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You're 100% wrong. Light is an *INSIGNIFICANT* part of my electric bill.

If you leave your TV on standby when not watching, then that is a
significant portion. Fridge and A/C are most important, then other
appliances. Light may be a small portion, but CFL's do cut that part very
nicely. While incandescant bulbs may have a slightly nicer light, we have
gone to CFLs wherever we can.

There is some fair number of Americans using electricity for home
heating and water heaters. Air conditioning is a bightime electricity
user, and refrigerators/freezers are very significant.

As of a few months ago, the most recent studies that I could easily
find determined that about 9% of American electricity consumption and
about 11% of American electric bills were for lighting.

Not that it does not help significantly to cut that 9-11% in half, which
appears to me easily do-able. And many Americans have their lighting
accounting for well-above-average percentage of their electric bills, and
benefit greatly by using energy-efficient lighting. For example, most
apartment renters in the metropolitan areas of NYC, Philadelphia and
Chicago - where electricity cost is above national average. Also many
residents of rowhouses/townhouses/"brownstones" and most with gas or oil
heat.
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- Don Klipstein )

Am 16.09.11 07:21, schrieb Don Klipstein:

As of a few months ago, the most recent studies that I could easily
find determined that about 9% of American electricity consumption and
about 11% of American electric bills were for lighting.

As for residential indoor consumption in pre-ban Europe, the figures
were more like one-third of yours. Please check if your sources
differentiate between residential and other.

http://greenwashinglamps.wordpress.com/category/energy-statistics/u-s-energy-statistics/

And many Americans have their lighting
accounting for well-above-average percentage of their electric bills, and
benefit greatly by using energy-efficient lighting. For example, most
apartment renters in the metropolitan areas of NYC, Philadelphia and
Chicago - where electricity cost is above national average.

But is there any law *forcing* these unfortunate people to use
incandescent bulbs instead of cfl or led lighting?

And, by which logic do higher electric rates increase the percentage of
electric bills caused by lighting? Wouldn't economics suggest that a
high rate increases the incentive to save electricity where it
subjectively hurts the billpayer the least? If the billpayer chooses to
use compact mercury-fluorescent lamps instead of some incandescents,
fine. They're not illegal, and first cost is pretty low thanks to
darling China.

On 2011-09-16, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Am 16.09.11 07:21, schrieb Don Klipstein:

As of a few months ago, the most recent studies that I could easily
find determined that about 9% of American electricity consumption and
about 11% of American electric bills were for lighting.

As for residential indoor consumption in pre-ban Europe, the figures
were more like one-third of yours. Please check if your sources
differentiate between residential and other.

IIRC, my figures are residential ones.
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- Don Klipstein )

"Don Klipstein" wrote in message
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On 2011-09-16, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Am 16.09.11 07:21, schrieb Don Klipstein:

As of a few months ago, the most recent studies that I could easily
find determined that about 9% of American electricity consumption and
about 11% of American electric bills were for lighting.

As for residential indoor consumption in pre-ban Europe, the figures
were more like one-third of yours. Please check if your sources
differentiate between residential and other.

IIRC, my figures are residential ones.
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- Don Klipstein )

It varies by area and climate in the U.S. Energy Star says residential
lighting is 12% of the annual energy bill for a typical single home. See:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...find_a_product. The dollar
value of that 12% is $264 per year.

Terry McGowan