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lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter
is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) Anyway, maybe I can clean the existing filter *somewhat* -- just enough to make a difference. And order the filter by mail -- except Sears parts woman (phone) can't find my model. Maybe I should take a picture of with a ruler and email it to them? So for at least a week or two, gotta cut the grass, so will try to clean the one I have a bit. First idea is to get my leaf blower and starting at low power and at a distance, see what that does, blowing into the inside of the thing, just the opposite of the normal flow of air (and dirt). Here's my question: is there something I can spray on it first that might loosen up the dirt? Or maybe soak it in, then wait til super-dry, and try the leaf-blower then (gently, builting up)? Oh, and no, HD has only the oblong cross-section type, which won't fit. ---- Oh, where's the serial number of the lawn mower? I searched around and found a small metal plate on which were stamped two things: 247-384260 E291L1 (ie eee 29-ONE uppercase ell, and another digit ONE.) No notation naming those two things, just the naked number-things. She said that the 247-starting-thing was the model number. Had no idea what the E-thing was. Insisted that I find the SERIAL NUMBER. Question: any idea where it might be? THANKS! David |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
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lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
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lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
mineral spirts should clean it pretty good. Soak it for a few hours, rinse
with water, and then redip in mineral spirts for another fresh soaking. Then rinse good with water and let dry. James |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
"David Combs" wrote Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) I've been wearing glasses for 58 years and driving air conditioned cars for over 40 years. Never had my glasses fog up from the AC making them too cold. If they did, I'd wear a second pair rather than drive in the heat. I cannot image what is causing yours to fog. Maybe you ned a different lens material. Are they glass or polycarbonate? |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 2011-07-09, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
If they're out of stock, they know the part number...have them order it and ship it to you free for the inconvenience Yep. Go to their website and look for parts. I jes bought a part for a Sears vacuum cleaner that's almost 30 yrs old. Get on the phone, if need be. If you have a part number, their parts support is hard to beat. Shipped right to my door. nb |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/9/2011 8:15 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"David Combs" wrote Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) I've been wearing glasses for 58 years and driving air conditioned cars for over 40 years. Never had my glasses fog up from the AC making them too cold. If they did, I'd wear a second pair rather than drive in the heat. I cannot image what is causing yours to fog. Maybe you ned a different lens material. Are they glass or polycarbonate? Flimsy excuse anyway. OTOH, I've got three pairs of glasses in the car - one prescription sun glasses for driving, one matching regular prescription and one old pair of prescription safety glasses. As for op's original question, I used to clean off old sponge air filters with gasoline, dry and lightly oil. I've been washing the cabin air filters in my Subaru's with soap and water as dealer wants over $50 for a new filter. As for part shopping, nothing beats the internet. You can even check local store inventories in some cases. I just had a great experience with Moen where I could not find a replacement part on line, emailed Moen with problem and they called me up and I was able to order part while on the phone. |
glasses fogging up was lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really*dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
On 07/09/2011 08:35 AM, Frank wrote:
On 7/9/2011 8:15 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "David Combs" wrote Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) I've been wearing glasses for 58 years and driving air conditioned cars for over 40 years. Never had my glasses fog up from the AC making them too cold. If they did, I'd wear a second pair rather than drive in the heat. I cannot image what is causing yours to fog. Maybe you ned a different lens material. Are they glass or polycarbonate? Flimsy excuse anyway. OTOH, I've got three pairs of glasses in the car - one prescription sun glasses for driving, one matching regular prescription and one old pair of prescription safety glasses. flimsy? happens to me every morning on the way to work. fortunately they clear up after going into the (air conditioned) office. Coming from an A/C'd car into 90+ degree, 90+ RH air can't help but fog them up. and the A/C in my car kinda sucks, so it's still even warmer than comfortable inside. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/9/2011 12:46 AM, David Combs wrote:
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. ... Anyway, maybe I can clean the existing filter *somewhat*... Dry paper or foam? Makes all the difference in what/how... Assuming dry paper, just tap it on a hard surface (relatively gently) to remove loose stuff then use compressed air from the inside out (only) and it'll be "good enough". Don't get it wet, it'll turn the dust to mud and plug it for good. If it's a B&S or other name engine, I'd bet any small engine repair shop locally will have the filter. If it's really, really old (like 30+ yr), Tecumseh used round cartridge filters in a lot of theirs altho only have experience directly w/ 8+ hp which no clue whether you're talking a pusher or small rider or what. JD green used the Tecumseh's and they have them locally at least in stock for the ones I need for the 112 small garden tractor. -- |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
James wrote:
mineral spirts should clean it pretty good. Soak it for a few hours, rinse with water, and then redip in mineral spirts for another fresh soaking. Then rinse good with water and let dry. Um, mineral spirits and water won't mix. I'd suggest alcohol. If you're going to start with water, add a little fabric softener first. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/9/2011 7:45 AM, bud-- wrote:
.... Someone once posted http://vintagemachinery.org/Craftsma...rs.aspx?sort=1 It gives the manufacturer from the first three digits - in this case MTD. You may be able to get the filter from MTD or a MTD dealer. Google has MTD sources. OK, my guess on Tecumseh for ancient was off... What engine did MTD use would be the question...does the list give it? It should be available from any decent small engine service outfit in any locality of any size one would think... But, if the mower will even run, simply tapping and removing some of the dirt is probably all that's needed for the immediate moment; the user manuals and stickers all say only that air cleaner needs cleaning/changing "when power drops". By that time, it visually is generally going to be essentially to point can't find it, what more think it's "dirty"... :) -- -- |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
David Combs wrote:
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) Anyway, maybe I can clean the existing filter *somewhat* -- just enough to make a difference. And order the filter by mail -- except Sears parts woman (phone) can't find my model. Maybe I should take a picture of with a ruler and email it to them? So for at least a week or two, gotta cut the grass, so will try to clean the one I have a bit. First idea is to get my leaf blower and starting at low power and at a distance, see what that does, blowing into the inside of the thing, just the opposite of the normal flow of air (and dirt). Here's my question: is there something I can spray on it first that might loosen up the dirt? Or maybe soak it in, then wait til super-dry, and try the leaf-blower then (gently, builting up)? Oh, and no, HD has only the oblong cross-section type, which won't fit. ---- Oh, where's the serial number of the lawn mower? I searched around and found a small metal plate on which were stamped two things: 247-384260 E291L1 (ie eee 29-ONE uppercase ell, and another digit ONE.) No notation naming those two things, just the naked number-things. She said that the 247-starting-thing was the model number. Had no idea what the E-thing was. Insisted that I find the SERIAL NUMBER. Question: any idea where it might be? #1 - Tell the twit on the 'phone that the lawnmower was stolen and you bought it from the thief. While it was in his possession, he obliterated the serial number, so you can't really help with that. #2 - Does the mower work WITH the existing filter in place? If so, you're good to go while you wait for the mail to deliver a new one. Failing that, does the mower work WITHOUT an air-filter? If so, you should be able to fashion a temporary substitute (a handkerchief, coffee filter, etc.). Be sure to strap the replacement down - small engines super-suck. You wouldn't want a doily stuffed in the engine's cylinder. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
"dpb" wrote It gives the manufacturer from the first three digits - in this case MTD. You may be able to get the filter from MTD or a MTD dealer. Google has MTD sources. OK, my guess on Tecumseh for ancient was off... What engine did MTD use would be the question...does the list give it? It should be available from any decent small engine service outfit in any locality of any size one would think... Put the engine model number in Google and it may come up. I did that with a B & S to find parts. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/9/2011 7:59 AM, HeyBub wrote:
#1 - Tell the twit on the 'phone that the lawnmower was stolen and you bought it from the thief. While it was in his possession, he obliterated the serial number, so you can't really help with that. #2 - Does the mower work WITH the existing filter in place? If so, you're good to go while you wait for the mail to deliver a new one. Failing that, does the mower work WITHOUT an air-filter? If so, you should be able to fashion a temporary substitute (a handkerchief, coffee filter, etc.). Be sure to strap the replacement down - small engines super-suck. You wouldn't want a doily stuffed in the engine's cylinder. #3 - Snow blowers don't use air filters. Remove the air filter and mow the grass when there is snow. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
David Combs wrote:
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Any decent mower repair shop should have the filter. Just take yours in and show it to them. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
On 9 Jul 2011 01:46:05 -0400, David Combs wrote:
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) Anyway, maybe I can clean the existing filter *somewhat* -- just enough to make a difference. And order the filter by mail -- except Sears parts woman (phone) can't find my model. Maybe I should take a picture of with a ruler and email it to them? So for at least a week or two, gotta cut the grass, so will try to clean the one I have a bit. First idea is to get my leaf blower and starting at low power and at a distance, see what that does, blowing into the inside of the thing, just the opposite of the normal flow of air (and dirt). Here's my question: is there something I can spray on it first that might loosen up the dirt? Or maybe soak it in, then wait til super-dry, and try the leaf-blower then (gently, builting up)? Oh, and no, HD has only the oblong cross-section type, which won't fit. ---- Oh, where's the serial number of the lawn mower? I searched around and found a small metal plate on which were stamped two things: 247-384260 E291L1 (ie eee 29-ONE uppercase ell, and another digit ONE.) No notation naming those two things, just the naked number-things. She said that the 247-starting-thing was the model number. Had no idea what the E-thing was. Insisted that I find the SERIAL NUMBER. Question: any idea where it might be? THANKS! David Try automotive stores or farm supply store. How about a small engine repair shop? |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
David Combs wrote:
I've got this old Sears lawnmower. Problem is that the air-filter is really filthy. REALLY filthy. Went over to Sears yesterday -- lots of filters, mostly oblong cross-section, or if cylindrical, too short and too fat. Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) Anyway, maybe I can clean the existing filter *somewhat* -- just enough to make a difference. And order the filter by mail -- except Sears parts woman (phone) can't find my model. Maybe I should take a picture of with a ruler and email it to them? So for at least a week or two, gotta cut the grass, so will try to clean the one I have a bit. First idea is to get my leaf blower and starting at low power and at a distance, see what that does, blowing into the inside of the thing, just the opposite of the normal flow of air (and dirt). Here's my question: is there something I can spray on it first that might loosen up the dirt? Or maybe soak it in, then wait til super-dry, and try the leaf-blower then (gently, builting up)? Oh, and no, HD has only the oblong cross-section type, which won't fit. ---- Oh, where's the serial number of the lawn mower? I searched around and found a small metal plate on which were stamped two things: 247-384260 E291L1 (ie eee 29-ONE uppercase ell, and another digit ONE.) No notation naming those two things, just the naked number-things. She said that the 247-starting-thing was the model number. Had no idea what the E-thing was. Insisted that I find the SERIAL NUMBER. Question: any idea where it might be? THANKS! David Let's see, google lawnmower air filters, tap, 1.31 million websites come up, this one looks OK, http://lawn-and-garden.hardwarestore...r-filters.aspx tap, this looks like it, tap, http://lawn-and-garden.hardwarestore...er-631005.aspx You can handle it from here...... |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:15:17 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"David Combs" wrote Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) I've been wearing glasses for 58 years and driving air conditioned cars for over 40 years. Never had my glasses fog up from the AC making them too cold. If they did, I'd wear a second pair rather than drive in the heat. I cannot image what is causing yours to fog. Maybe you ned a different lens material. Are they glass or polycarbonate? When I first get in the car, mine can fog for a few seconds when the blower first comes on (generally when the windows have been closed). It reminds me to take them off. ;-) |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
Assuming dry paper, just tap it on a hard surface (relatively gently) to
remove loose stuff then use compressed air from the inside out (only) and it'll be "good enough". Don't get it wet, it'll turn the dust to mud and plug it for good. Compressed air can drive particles of dirt thru the filter leaving holes in the filter for dirt to enter the engine. I tap mine gently to knock off the loose stuff. Then I wash with soap and water. I repeat this several times before buying a new filter. |
glasses fogging up was lawnmower cylindrical air-filter*really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
On Jul 9, 8:46*am, Nate Nagel wrote:
flimsy? *happens to me every morning on the way to work. *fortunately they clear up after going into the (air conditioned) office. *Coming from an A/C'd car into 90+ degree, 90+ RH air can't help but fog them up. *and the A/C in my car kinda sucks, so it's still even warmer than comfortable inside. I live in Miami and have very thick glasses, so this happens to me a lot. Usually, taking off the glasses and waving them for a maybe 10 seconds warms them up enough to solve the problem... |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/9/2011 1:48 PM, Pat wrote:
.... Compressed air can drive particles of dirt thru the filter leaving holes in the filter for dirt to enter the engine. I tap mine gently to knock off the loose stuff. Then I wash with soap and water. I repeat this several times before buying a new filter. Not if blowing them from inside...then you're blowing the collected stuff from off the outer surface and it can't/won't go thru cuz' it going in opposite direction--leaving the surface not being forced through the media. I've had no luck whatsoever w/ one once it's been wet...and, ya' don't blow w/ extremely high air pressure. All that's done is turn the former dust into a cake that then won't come off easily or at all. -- |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 06:40:14 -0400, "James"
wrote: mineral spirts should clean it pretty good. Soak it for a few hours, rinse with water, and then redip in mineral spirts for another fresh soaking. Then rinse good with water and let dry. James Paper or foam filter??? |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
In article ,
wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 06:40:14 -0400, "James" wrote: mineral spirts should clean it pretty good. Soak it for a few hours, rinse with water, and then redip in mineral spirts for another fresh soaking. Then rinse good with water and let dry. James Paper or foam filter??? Paper, folded like the edge of an accordion. David |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
In article ,
Ed Pawlowski wrote: "David Combs" wrote Yes, they know about mine, Sears does *carry* them, but right now they're (the store) out of stock. And it's a pain to drive over there, especially in this heat and traffic (don't use A/C -- my glasses fog-up for maybe 10 minutes once I get out of the car! no, cleaning them doesn't help -- they got too cold.) I've been wearing glasses for 58 years and driving air conditioned cars for over 40 years. Never had my glasses fog up from the AC making them too cold. If they did, I'd wear a second pair rather than drive in the heat. I cannot image what is causing yours to fog. Maybe you ned a different lens material. Are they glass or polycarbonate? Not glass. (They don't make glass bifocals anymore -- really ****es me off!) So polycarbonate, I guess, but don't know for sure. "plastic", I call it. Fogging-up occurs when I get OUT of the cold, low-humidity car, into the hot humid summer air. David |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
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lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
Thanks to all! Called Sears again an hour or so ago. This time I got someone REALLY REALLY GOOD! At first he said there was a Sears Parts-dept only 12 miles away, in someplace called "college point". Never heard of it. Google maps "Sears college point" found it for me. Twelve miles as the crow flies. Not so bad if you're a crow. A little different in a car. I live in New Rochelle, in Westchester. College Park is in Queens, across a tiny inlet from La Guardia. That means the Whitestone Bridge with its ever-rising tolls, then getting lost in Queens. Total time probably three hours, at least two, and mucho traffic besides. So I just gave him my credit card number, and they'll be here in what, a week or so? (Because the price was only $4.00, the shipping twice that, I ordered three of them. At 20 or 25 years for the current one, I think they'll last long beyond my need for them!) I'll read over all the suggestions, both for soaking and not soaking, and decide what to do for the interim. THANKS! David |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
David Combs wrote:
Thanks to all! Called Sears again an hour or so ago. This time I got someone REALLY REALLY GOOD! At first he said there was a Sears Parts-dept only 12 miles away, in someplace called "college point". Never heard of it. Google maps "Sears college point" found it for me. Twelve miles as the crow flies. Not so bad if you're a crow. A little different in a car. I live in New Rochelle, in Westchester. College Park is in Queens, across a tiny inlet from La Guardia. That means the Whitestone Bridge with its ever-rising tolls, then getting lost in Queens. Total time probably three hours, at least two, and mucho traffic besides. So I just gave him my credit card number, and they'll be here in what, a week or so? (Because the price was only $4.00, the shipping twice that, I ordered three of them. At 20 or 25 years for the current one, I think they'll last long beyond my need for them!) I'll read over all the suggestions, both for soaking and not soaking, and decide what to do for the interim. Does it run with the filter? Any different from without the filter? If no different, just continue to use it with the old one until you get the new one, or until it no longer works. |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
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lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Searshas none. Clean it?
On 7/10/2011 6:00 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
.... The *soakers* were assuming you had a foam filter. Don't ever put anything wet on a paper filter. I'm not so sure of that...the guy that jumped me on blowing _out_ (from inside out, not vice versa) surely had to be aware it was paper and he claims he washes one w/ soap and water multiple times... :( On the second point, I'm in full agreement there; the only times I've ever had one wet it has been certain it had to be replaced then instead of later. The old oil bath style (while never seen on a small single-cylinder B&S-type engine did have some advantage of not needing any replacement cartridge). Even if washing were good, I don't have the patience to let one dry and I'd definitely be nervous about using it damp altho I suppose not enough extra water would be brought in to matter; it would be like an extremely humid day it just doesn't have that "feel right" feel to it... For OP, well, you can't use this as an excuse to not mow any longer now, can you... :) I know it sounds good "Hey, dear, I really _DO_ want to get that mowed but the machine needs a new air cleaner and doggone SEARS just doesn't have them..." vbg From the gitgo, of course, if there was sufficient air getting into the intake thru the filter than the engine ran w/o noticeable loss of power, you were good to go from the beginning, anyway...as others noted as well as I had... :) Anyway, all's well that ends well. -- |
lawnmower cylindrical air-filter *really* dirty -- but Sears has none. Clean it?
That shows great wisdom. Thank you for sharing. Glad it
worked out. Or, will work out when the package arrives. [Honey! The package for you???? Yes, dear. Now, let me find my scissors and open it. Lets see. Open the box. And, uh, that looks more like a faucet valve seat. Hey, honey, did you order three valve seats from Sears?!?!?!] -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "David Combs" wrote in message ... Thanks to all! Called Sears again an hour or so ago. This time I got someone REALLY REALLY GOOD! At first he said there was a Sears Parts-dept only 12 miles away, in someplace called "college point". Never heard of it. Google maps "Sears college point" found it for me. Twelve miles as the crow flies. Not so bad if you're a crow. A little different in a car. I live in New Rochelle, in Westchester. College Park is in Queens, across a tiny inlet from La Guardia. That means the Whitestone Bridge with its ever-rising tolls, then getting lost in Queens. Total time probably three hours, at least two, and mucho traffic besides. So I just gave him my credit card number, and they'll be here in what, a week or so? (Because the price was only $4.00, the shipping twice that, I ordered three of them. At 20 or 25 years for the current one, I think they'll last long beyond my need for them!) I'll read over all the suggestions, both for soaking and not soaking, and decide what to do for the interim. THANKS! David |
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