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Bogglle your mind for sure
If this is real, and it does appear to be,
it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx |
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On Jul 6, 11:06*am, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote:
If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx This printer probably has uses and applications that haven't even been thought of. JoeG |
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On Jul 6, 10:22*am, GROVER wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:06*am, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx This printer probably has uses and applications that haven't even been thought of. JoeG Rapid Prototyping has been around for quiet a while. It allows engineers to convert 3D imaging from CAD or CATIA into "things" to check function and fit. I got a tour of the Rapid Prototyping Lab at the Technology Center at Pittsburg State University (Kansas) about 12 years ago and it rolled my eyes back. They were not using this "printing" technology. They were actually molding or machining mock parts from lightweight material and a composite laminate. However, there might be a little hocus-pocus in the video. RonB |
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"Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. Mostly used for prototyping, as materials are not as strong as real manufacturing methods, and process is quite slow. Cost of machines varies from 50k to at 500k or more, I believe, but a decent entry-level machine can be had for about 100k. |
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:42:45 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. I remember reading about 3D in some computer mag or another-- so it had to have been late 90's that I saw it first. At the time they were doing solids- like bolts and nuts- no moving parts. No color. It built things up in layers like a CAT scan. This is way cooler. In the 90's they were saying how it would revolutionize the parts industry in a decade. I was thinking about all those faxes people send from office Christmas parties-- 3D would give them a whole new life. Jim |
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On 7/6/2011 11:17 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:42:45 -0700, Smitty Two wrote: In et, "Bob-tx"No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. I remember reading about 3D in some computer mag or another-- so it had to have been late 90's that I saw it first. At the time they were doing solids- like bolts and nuts- no moving parts. No color. It built things up in layers like a CAT scan. This is way cooler. In the 90's they were saying how it would revolutionize the parts industry in a decade. I was thinking about all those faxes people send from office Christmas parties-- 3D would give them a whole new life. Jim Sitting on the copy or fax machine and produce or transmit a 3D copy of your butt? ^_^ TDD |
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On Jul 6, 11:42*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *"Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. Mostly used for prototyping, as materials are not as strong as real manufacturing methods, and process is quite slow. Cost of machines varies from 50k to at 500k or more, I believe, but a decent entry-level machine can be had for about 100k. "It's real and has been around for a decade or two." While 3D printing has indeed been around for a "decade or two" - we had it at the Kodak Research Labs when I worked there in an earlier life - the technology to make items with colored moving parts in "one pass" is not that old. I can't give you a date, but I'm pretty confident in saying that "3D colored moving parts printing" not "a decade or two" old. |
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, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Jul 6, 11:42*am, Smitty Two wrote: In article , *"Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. Mostly used for prototyping, as materials are not as strong as real manufacturing methods, and process is quite slow. Cost of machines varies from 50k to at 500k or more, I believe, but a decent entry-level machine can be had for about 100k. "It's real and has been around for a decade or two." While 3D printing has indeed been around for a "decade or two" - we had it at the Kodak Research Labs when I worked there in an earlier life - the technology to make items with colored moving parts in "one pass" is not that old. I can't give you a date, but I'm pretty confident in saying that "3D colored moving parts printing" not "a decade or two" old. A minor improvement. The moving part is accomplished by creating temporary bridges to support it. Color? Add some color to the material. Again, not a "leaps and bounds" type of thing. |
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On Jul 6, 2:32*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *DerbyDad03 wrote: On Jul 6, 11:42 am, Smitty Two wrote: In article , "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx It's real and has been around for a decade or two. Mostly used for prototyping, as materials are not as strong as real manufacturing methods, and process is quite slow. Cost of machines varies from 50k to at 500k or more, I believe, but a decent entry-level machine can be had for about 100k. "It's real and has been around for a decade or two." While 3D printing has indeed been around for a "decade or two" - we had it at the Kodak Research Labs when I worked there in an earlier life - the technology to make items with colored moving parts in "one pass" is not that old. I can't give you a date, but I'm pretty confident in saying that "3D colored moving parts printing" not "a decade or two" old. A minor improvement. The moving part is accomplished by creating temporary bridges to support it. Color? Add some color to the material. Again, not a "leaps and bounds" type of thing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't recall saying anything about it being a "leaps and bounds type of thing". I merely pointed out that the moving parts and color output is not a decade or two old as you seemed to imply: "It's real and has been around for a decade or two" |
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, DerbyDad03 wrote: I don't recall saying anything about it being a "leaps and bounds type of thing". I merely pointed out that the moving parts and color output is not a decade or two old as you seemed to imply: "It's real and has been around for a decade or two" Inference I drew, perhaps erroneously, from Original Post is that Original Poster had never seen rapid protoyping / 3D printing of any type. The general concept has been around for a decade or two, and I maintain that the moving parts concept and the color concept are relatively minor. OP certainly didn't mention those aspects as the ones that astounded him. |
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On Jul 6, 4:06*pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote:
If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. |
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, harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06*pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Right, has to be bull**** because you've never seen it. |
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On Jul 6, 5:29*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06*pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Right, has to be bull**** because you've never seen it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's bull**** because common sense/elementary education tells you so. But there are a lot of people here sadly lacking in any of these. |
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, harry wrote: It's bull**** because common sense/elementary education tells you so. But there are a lot of people here sadly lacking in any of these. Sorry to disappoint you, but apparently you still don't know everything. The "common sense / elementary education" objection was trotted out then those idiot Wright Brothers were trying to build an impossible flying machine, too. |
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On Jul 6, 5:29*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06*pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Right, has to be bull**** because you've never seen it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never seen it because it don't exist. |
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, harry wrote: Never seen it because it don't exist. Attempting to save face by stubbornly clinging to your ignorance is usually counterproductive. My ego takes a boot to the ass every time I stand corrected, but it's better than the alternative. What exactly to you find so preposterous? That machines exist which can deposit thin layers of material, one atop the other, until a solid object is created? That hardly violates any junior high school physics principle. |
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On 7/6/2011 11:16 AM, harry wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, "Bob-tx"No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Harry, it's real and was produced by ignorant, stupid, savage Americans. The first example of a rapid prototyping machine I saw up close and personal was at a computer exposition in the early 1990's which used a liquid and a laser beam to harden the liquid plastic as the platform lowered itself into the liquid bath. Stupid, savage medical researchers in The United States have used ink jet printing technology to make replacement body parts. I believe they are using a collagen material to produce a matrix for living cells to grow into and form a new organ or part. Not bad for ignorant, stupid, war mongering, savage terrorists. :-) TDD |
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On Jul 7, 12:45*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 7/6/2011 11:16 AM, harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, "Bob-tx"No Spam no contact *wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Harry, it's real and was produced by ignorant, stupid, savage Americans. The first example of a rapid prototyping machine I saw up close and personal was at a computer exposition in the early 1990's which used a liquid and a laser beam to harden the liquid plastic as the platform lowered itself into the liquid bath. Stupid, savage medical researchers in The United States have used ink jet printing technology to make replacement body parts. I believe they are using a collagen material to produce a matrix for living cells to grow into and form a new organ or part. Not bad for ignorant, stupid, war mongering, savage terrorists. :-) TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote sources. And were they able to make working gearboxes as shown on the hoax? You are the last person I expected to be taken in by this crap on Youtube. Total ********. |
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On 7/7/2011 1:26 AM, harry wrote:
On Jul 7, 12:45 am, The Daring wrote: On 7/6/2011 11:16 AM, harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, "Bob-tx"No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Harry, it's real and was produced by ignorant, stupid, savage Americans. The first example of a rapid prototyping machine I saw up close and personal was at a computer exposition in the early 1990's which used a liquid and a laser beam to harden the liquid plastic as the platform lowered itself into the liquid bath. Stupid, savage medical researchers in The United States have used ink jet printing technology to make replacement body parts. I believe they are using a collagen material to produce a matrix for living cells to grow into and form a new organ or part. Not bad for ignorant, stupid, war mongering, savage terrorists. :-) TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote sources. And were they able to make working gearboxes as shown on the hoax? You are the last person I expected to be taken in by this crap on Youtube. Total ********. I've read the scientific and engineering journals on it over the years. I read everything I can get my hands on about any number of things. The rapid prototyping technology has been around for many years and it is now in a very advanced state in countries all over the world including The UK. The 3D printers CAN produce moving parts in one step. ^_^ http://www.baldor.com/pdf/literature...7_0908_WEB.pdf http://www.gizmag.com/dimension-upri...desktop/13743/ http://www.intechopen.com/source/pdf...r_robotics.pdf http://tinyurl.com/6xbs3t4 TDD |
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On Jul 7, 9:45*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 7/7/2011 1:26 AM, harry wrote: On Jul 7, 12:45 am, The Daring wrote: On 7/6/2011 11:16 AM, harry wrote: On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, "Bob-tx"No Spam no contact * *wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Harry, it's real and was produced by ignorant, stupid, savage Americans. The first example of a rapid prototyping machine I saw up close and personal was at a computer exposition in the early 1990's which used a liquid and a laser beam to harden the liquid plastic as the platform lowered itself into the liquid bath. Stupid, savage medical researchers in The United States have used ink jet printing technology to make replacement body parts. I believe they are using a collagen material to produce a matrix for living cells to grow into and form a new organ or part. Not bad for ignorant, stupid, war mongering, savage terrorists. :-) TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote sources. And were they able to make working gearboxes as shown on the hoax? You are the last person I expected to be taken in by this crap on Youtube. Total ********. I've read the scientific and engineering journals on it over the years. I read everything I can get my hands on about any number of things. The rapid prototyping technology has been around for many years and it is now in a very advanced state in countries all over the world including The UK. The 3D printers CAN produce moving parts in one step. ^_^ http://www.baldor.com/pdf/literature...7_0908_WEB.pdf http://www.gizmag.com/dimension-upri...desktop/13743/ http://www.intechopen.com/source/pdf...ototyping_for_... http://tinyurl.com/6xbs3t4 TDD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Right I read through your links. It confirms exactly what I said. No-one is claiming to make multipart objects. They make separate components which can be assembled. The origin of the parts made is a CAD programme. No-one is scanning spanners. Explain to me how you supposed a "scanner" could determine the dimensions of the thread inside the spanner. |
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harry wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. My suspicion is that they just skipped the step where someone went into the CAD files generated in the scan to refine the unseen elements before printing. |
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wrote: My suspicion is that they just skipped the step where someone went into the CAD files generated in the scan to refine the unseen elements before printing. Agreed. Jay Leno - a guy I don't like mostly because he doesn't seem to realize that he looks like a freak from another planet (if he realized it I'd be OK with it) - did an episode of Jay Leno's Garage featuring this technology, and ISTR they had to touch-up the scan. He was making "otherwise unobtainable" parts for antique cars with it. |
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On Jul 6, 12:16*pm, harry wrote:
On Jul 6, 4:06*pm, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote: If this is real, and it does appear to be, it will absolutely boggle your mind. It brings questions to mind like how much does the equipment cost, how strong is the product, and how much does a finished product cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Bob-tx I have my doubts about complex mechanisms. Ergo it's ********. How, for example, was the machine/"scanner" able to determine the nature of the thread inside the wrench? No-one could determine that without dismantling the wrench first. Ergo, niether could the machine. Ergo, ********. Possibly could be done for simple, none hollow, components. But even then scanning would have to be done from all six sides, and the object would have to be securely fixed as would the scanner. So as displayed, total ********, only dopey Americans would be taken in. Do you really think that they showed you the entire process? Do you really think that they just threw the wrench on a flatbed scanner, sent the image to the printer and POOF! out came a functioning wrench? I had a inlay for a molar made in the dentist's office right before my eyes. Check out this video. It shows a detail account of the "imaging" process. With multiple pictures stitched together by the computer, there's no reason to think that the "internal threads" (which, by the way, are just the opposite of the readily viewable external threads) couldn't be figured out by the computer and sent to the printer. What's not shown here is the operator's ability to alter the "scanned" images to add parts that might not have been picked up by the camera. A key fact when you think about the "internal threads". http://www.cereconline.com/cerec/demo.html Just for fun, this video includes the milling process which was done in the same room where I was sitting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZlfiSCqAEg |
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