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Trapped water in pipe while soldering
Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries,
each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore |
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On Mar 15, 11:53*pm, millinghill wrote:
Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Google 'bleeder valve' and you'll get the idea. R |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:53:53 -0700 (PDT), millinghill
wrote: Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe I've read that MAPP gas is better than propane in this situtation. Hotter. obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I used it for my water heater. Worked fine. Yes, that hot water comes out the faucet. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore |
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On Mar 16, 3:53*am, millinghill wrote:
Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore When there's water about the best thing you can do is use compression or push in fittings. Even if it's just the one to make the last connection. |
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On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Of course, a lot depends on the layout of the pipes, but I've used a wet pickup vacuum on one side or the other of where you are soldering. A good place to hook up the vacuum is on a faucet, which is opened to the side, hot or cold, where you are working. I've had success with this method when nothing else seemed to work. |
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On Mar 16, 7:58*am, Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote: Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Of course, a lot depends on the layout of the pipes, but I've used a wet pickup vacuum on one side or the other of where you are soldering. *A good place to hook up the vacuum is on a faucet, which is opened to the side, hot or cold, where you are working. *I've had success with this method when nothing else seemed to work. This guy talks about a heating system, not hot water supply, but a small piece of plastic tubing inserted into the pipe and suction applied should be eventually able to suck out the water. May take a while, but the alternative is a good wheat bread that blocks the pipe just long enuf to do the soldering. |
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On Mar 16, 6:57*am, "hr(bob) "
wrote: On Mar 16, 7:58*am, Art Todesco wrote: On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote: Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Of course, a lot depends on the layout of the pipes, but I've used a wet pickup vacuum on one side or the other of where you are soldering. *A good place to hook up the vacuum is on a faucet, which is opened to the side, hot or cold, where you are working. *I've had success with this method when nothing else seemed to work. This guy talks about a heating system, not hot water supply, but a small piece of plastic tubing inserted into the pipe and suction applied should be eventually able to suck out the water. *May take a while, but the alternative is a good wheat bread that blocks the pipe just long enuf to do the soldering.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, some things are just too simple be accepted. Much better to way over engineer the project Harry K |
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I've found that very often, the country wisdom
(like bread in the copper pipe) is what actually works. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Harry K" wrote in message ... Yep, some things are just too simple be accepted. Much better to way over engineer the project Harry K |
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On Mar 16, 11:12*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I've found that very often, the country wisdom (like bread in the copper pipe) is what actually works. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Harry K" *wrote in message ... Yep, some things are just too simple be accepted. Much better to way over engineer the project Harry K Yes, stuff bread in the pipe. When you are done, remove the aerater from a downline faucet, turn it on, before you turn the water main back on. Otherwise you will be cleaning bread out of every faucet you have. |
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On 3/15/2011 10:53 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore OR you might want to google "PEX TUBING" -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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: On Mar 16, 11:12*am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I've found that very often, the country wisdom (like bread in the copper pipe) is what actually works. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Harry K" *wrote in message ... Yep, some things are just too simple be accepted. Much better to way over engineer the project Harry K Yes, stuff bread in the pipe. When you are done, remove the aerater from a downline faucet, turn it on, before you turn the water main back on. Otherwise you will be cleaning bread out of every faucet you have. and/or replacing toilet fill valves cause it drips ever 30 seconds now. |
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Of course, a lot depends on the layout of the pipes, but I've used a wet pickup vacuum on one side or the other of where you are soldering. A good place to hook up the vacuum is on a faucet, which is opened to the side, hot or cold, where you are working. I've had success with this method when nothing else seemed to work. This guy talks about a heating system, not hot water supply, but a small piece of plastic tubing inserted into the pipe and suction applied should be eventually able to suck out the water. May take a while, but the alternative is a good wheat bread that blocks the pipe just long enuf to do the soldering. Also, most hot water systems have some sort of a drain, where suction could be applied. |
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On Mar 16, 9:54*am, Red Green wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote : On Mar 16, 11:12 am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I've found that very often, the country wisdom (like bread in the copper pipe) is what actually works. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "Harry K" wrote in message ... Yep, some things are just too simple be accepted. Much better to way over engineer the project Harry K Yes, stuff bread in the pipe. *When you are done, remove the aerater from a downline faucet, turn it on, before you turn the water main back on. *Otherwise you will be cleaning bread out of every faucet you have. and/or replacing toilet fill valves cause it drips ever 30 seconds now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oddly, the times I have used it (without doing the 'one open faucet' bit), _none_ of those things happened. The bread desolves to the point it passes through the screens. I wonder how many of you "doom criers" have actually done it. Harry K |
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On Mar 15, 11:53*pm, millinghill wrote:
Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Ive drilled a hole in the pipe before to let out the water/steam then patched it when I was through sweating the pipe fitting. This would probably do the same as the bleeder valve and be a lot cheaper. Heating up a couple of feet of pipe either side the joint to dry it out also helps. Jimmie |
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On Mar 18, 6:35*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:53:53 -0700 (PDT), millinghill wrote: Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Loosen pipe straps. lower pipe till all water comes out, or raise pipes so the water is not near the solder joint. * OR Solder in a CU pipe union. *Only solder half at a time, then screw it together.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That doesn't always work. When you're at the bottom of a lot of piping the water keeps showing up for hours. All it takes is a lttle trickle to cause problems. It cools the pipe and it creates pressure when it boils off. |
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On Mar 18, 5:19*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Mar 18, 6:35*am, wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:53:53 -0700 (PDT), millinghill wrote: Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Loosen pipe straps. lower pipe till all water comes out, or raise pipes so the water is not near the solder joint. * OR Solder in a CU pipe union. *Only solder half at a time, then screw it together.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That doesn't always work. *When you're at the bottom of a lot of piping the water keeps showing up for hours. *All it takes is a lttle trickle to cause problems. *It cools the pipe and it creates pressure when it boils off.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or just do the simple thing that plumbers have done for a 100 years. Plug it with bread and be done with it. Harry K |
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, Harry K wrote: Or just do the simple thing that plumbers have done for a 100 years. Plug it with bread and be done with it. Make sure you use the stuff with raisins and sunflower seeds in it. |
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On Mar 15, 11:53*pm, millinghill wrote:
Hi. *This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! *The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. *Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. *However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. *It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." *I have no idea what these words refer to. *Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore I don't know how many fittings you need to install where the water is an issue, but consider a Sharkbite connector. http://www.sharkbite.com/ More expensive, but think about how much time you've already wasted. Available just about anywhere plumbing supplies are sold. I was sweating a cap on a piece of horizontal pipe that apparently had some water in it. At the exact moment that the solder started to flow the cap shot off the end of the pipe and flew like a bullet across the basement. The next time I needed to cap a pipe, I used a Sharkbite cap. I had the water off, the pipe cut, the Sharkbite cap installed and the water back on before the commercial was over. |
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On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Go to Lows and buy the stuff that does the same thing. I think it's the same as the corn starch packing peanuts that dissolve in water. |
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Tony Miklos wrote in news:8unrt8Fhn2U1
@mid.individual.net: On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote: Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Go to Lows and buy the stuff that does the same thing. I think it's the same as the corn starch packing peanuts that dissolve in water. Can you post a link to that stuff Tony? Just curious to see it's description. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On 3/21/2011 9:52 AM, Red Green wrote:
Tony wrote in news:8unrt8Fhn2U1 @mid.individual.net: On 3/15/2011 11:53 PM, millinghill wrote: Hi. This happened to me last year when it took me 3 separate tries, each time resulting in a leaky soldered joint! The water in the pipe obviously kept turning to steam and making the soldered joint leak. On my last try, it finally took hold solidly. Someone suggested I use bread, as it would temporarily stop the water and then dissolve/be washed out. However, I was soldering the hot water pipes for my heating system and didn't think it was a good idea to have bread floating around in there indefinitely. I'm now reading a how-to book that mentions a fix for soldering pipes when water's still inside. It says to install a "bleed valve" or "drain fitting" or "vent fitting." I have no idea what these words refer to. Can anyone describe? or refer to an online photo? Thanks! Theodore Go to Lows and buy the stuff that does the same thing. I think it's the same as the corn starch packing peanuts that dissolve in water. Can you post a link to that stuff Tony? Just curious to see it's description. A quick look doesn't find it because I don't remember the name of it. Next time I'm there I'll see if it's still on the shelf. |
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