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I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that
allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy |
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On Nov 28, 8:20*am, Andy wrote:
I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy Bit here on the topic of pin index locks. Not as secure as you might think. http://toughlocks.co.uk/faq.htm |
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"Andy" wrote in message ... I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy I have all Kwikset Smartkeys, and love them. I think Schlage saw them and made these to compete. The Smartkeys are just a shim you put in, and changing the lock is a snap. No pins or disassembly required. You can change the key with the knobset on the door. Not sure how fumblefingers would handle the pin exchange, and how many pins one would have to have on hand. Write back when you can provide cites and adequate information. Steve |
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"Andy" wrote in message
I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com |
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Steve B wrote:
I have all Kwikset Smartkeys, and love them. I think Schlage saw them and made these to compete. The Smartkeys are just a shim you put in, and changing the lock is a snap. No pins or disassembly required. You can change the key with the knobset on the door. Not sure how fumblefingers would handle the pin exchange, and how many pins one would have to have on hand. Write back when you can provide cites and adequate information. That's about one of the absolute worst locks from a security perspective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-9YNcnegjY Jon |
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On 11/28/2010 10:10 AM, Bill wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com They do make great locks. I had to drill one out of a change machine when someone lost the keys. It was hardened steel and it took hours and probably 25 titanium and other special drill bits. Then again, Medico makes cheap locks also. I had to open an old soda machine, I saw the Medico brand on the lock and thought Oh ****! Turns out it was all brass that was chrome plated. Took about 10 minutes and 2 drill bits. |
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Andy wrote:
I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. I bought a pin kit years ago that has allowed me to repin Schlage locks since then. |
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I can't remember for sure, but a Schlage A51 lists out for about $180.
If memory is working. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bill" wrote in message ... And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com |
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On Nov 28, 8:20*am, Andy wrote:
I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy |
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On Nov 28, 8:20*am, Andy wrote:
I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy Bit here about picking locks. One of many on you tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBxqKnA8mo |
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On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". The reporter tried a set and they worked great. But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. They just kick the door open. It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill |
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On Nov 29, 9:08*am, Bill Gill wrote:
On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote: "Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. *I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". *The reporter tried a set and they worked great. *But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. *Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. *They just kick the door open. *It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, a "pick proof" lock isn't going to matter much. A couple crowbars will open just about any window. Just pulls the latches out of the wood. Locks keep honest people honest. If someone really wants in your house they will get in. A battery powered sawsall will cut an opening in the wall or up through the floor from under the house. |
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On 11/29/2010 8:08 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote: "Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". The reporter tried a set and they worked great. But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. They just kick the door open. It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill My locksmith friends use a power circular saw with an abrasive metal cutoff blade to remove padlocks. The new battery operated saws make it much more convenient. :-) TDD |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:08:03 -0600, Bill Gill
wrote: On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote: "Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Multi-Lock is even more secure than a Medico # different lock systems in one. and absolutely impossible to duplicate on a key cutter, even if you can get the blanks. A Medeco is relativley easy to duplicate if you get some "black market" blanks. Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". The reporter tried a set and they worked great. But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. They just kick the door open. It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill But kicking the door open makes it real obvious you've been there. A solid door with a good deadbolt in a good steel jam would take a pretty good battering ram to get open. I know a few that would break your leg before you had them kicked open - and with Multilock keys, even a "bump key" does not stand a chance. |
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On Nov 29, 4:53*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:08:03 -0600, Bill Gill wrote: On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote: "Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Multi-Lock is even more secure than a Medico # different lock systems in one. and absolutely impossible to duplicate on a key cutter, even if you can get the blanks. A Medeco is relativley easy to duplicate if you get some "black market" blanks. Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. *I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". *The reporter tried a set and they worked great. *But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. *Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. *They just kick the door open. *It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill But kicking the door open makes it real obvious you've been there. A solid door with a good deadbolt in a good steel jam would take a pretty good battering ram to get open. *I know a few that would break your leg before you had them kicked open - and with Multilock keys, even a "bump key" does not stand a chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like the windows are equally secure? I don't think so. |
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On Nov 29, 10:54*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:53:08 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: But kicking the door open makes it real obvious you've been there. A solid door with a good deadbolt in a good steel jam would take a pretty good battering ram to get open. I know a few that would break your leg before you had them kicked open - and with Multilock keys, even a "bump key" does not stand a chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like the windows are equally secure? *I don't think so. Some windows are better than your average door. The regular burglar is not going to do much to a 140 MPH "impact rated" window. You can shoot a 2x4 out of an air cannon at one and it won't get through. Reglazing the window may cost more than the average burglar steals tho *;-( How many houses have 140 mph impact rated windows as compared to how many have steel doors with deadbolts? Most double hung windows. Two crowbars. One under each lower corner of the bottom half. Pry up. |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:20:31 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote: I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If true, that would put some "hurt" on locksmiths. Andy When I lived in NY and always had 3 roommates, who came and went, I traded locks with a friend of mine they didn't know. I really only did this once or twice, because only one of my many roommates was untrustworthy (not counting the teen-ager from a wealthy family. He was a jerk -- he sprayed the walls in his room with shaving cream after I told him he couldn't leave with no notice for Christmas, and come back afterwards without paying for the three weeks he was gone -- but probably wouldn't steal anything.) There was also the ditz Playboy Bunny (I kid you not) who was always burning or breaking something, but she never did anything dishonest. |
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On Nov 29, 8:36*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Nov 29, 9:08*am, Bill Gill wrote: On 11/28/2010 9:10 AM, Bill wrote: "Andy" wrote in message I was in Lowes and an associate showed me one of the new locks that allows you to change out the pins yourself. He said they were "un-pickable." If you want high security near unpickable, go with Medico locks. You will see these on vending machines and in Laundromats, but you will pay a pretty penny for them! http://www.medeco.com Also be aware that Schlage makes consumer grade products... http://consumer.schlage.com And Schlage also makes commercial grade products. These last forever, you will see them on commercial and government buildings, will not see these sold at a retail store (go to locksmith), and you are looking at several hundred dollars for a lockset. You get what you pay for... http://commercial.schlage.com For security the lock doesn't really make that much difference. *I recall a story on the local news about "bump keys". *The reporter tried a set and they worked great. *But when she talked to a policeman he said that they didn't have much problem with that. *Around here they don't bother picking the lock or using a bump key. *They just kick the door open. *It is a lot simpler for them than fussing around with all that other stuff. Bill- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, a "pick proof" lock isn't going to matter much. *A couple crowbars will open just about any window. *Just pulls the latches out of the wood. *Locks keep honest people honest. *If someone really wants in your house they will get in. *A battery powered sawsall will cut an opening in the wall or up through the floor from under the house. That's where a German Shepherd comes in real handy. :-) Andy |
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On Nov 30, 1:57*am, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:34:17 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: How many houses have 140 mph impact rated windows as compared to how many have steel doors with deadbolts? Quite a few around here and more every day. You get a break on your $3000 a year hurricane insurance. And you think I can't open one with a couple 3 foot crowbars? |
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On Nov 30, 11:48*am, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 04:53:38 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 30, 1:57*am, wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:34:17 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: How many houses have 140 mph impact rated windows as compared to how many have steel doors with deadbolts? Quite a few around here and more every day. You get a break on your $3000 a year hurricane insurance. And you think I can't open one with a couple 3 foot crowbars? I'm sure you can. Then the question becomes, how much time are you going to spend and how much noise are you going to make. "Neighborhood watch" is an armed response here. Prying open a window is a pretty quiet event generally. You just slowly apply pressure until the latch(es) give or pull out. A minute or two tops. Practically all houses have windows that are in much better location for breaking in than the front door. |
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