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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote:
Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or more. If yer Craftsman tools are really 30 yrs old, they are probably better than what Sears is offering, today. Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA. ;) http://www.skhandtool.com/carousel/made-in-usa.aspx nb |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
If yer Craftsman tools are really 30 yrs old, they are probably better
than what Sears is offering, today. Yep, I bought most of my hand tools in my late teens and early 20's after I first started driving. I'll turn 53 in a few months. :) Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China. I occasionally still buy a Craftsman wrench or screwdriver if I'm missing a size or something, but that's fairly rare. I haven't noticed any major difference in quality though, compared to my older hand tools. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA. I haven't seen S-K tools in my area for a long time. I didn't know they were still being made. Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they seemed to be decent quality. I remember the cheap sockets my step-dad used to buy. The chrome was peeling off, and they would either strip out inside or just crack in half when you put any pressure on them. I quickly learned to buy my own tools and not borrow his. :) Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 10:27:53 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they seemed to be decent quality. My 1st set of sockets (SAE) and ratchet was "Husky"...got it with S&H green stamps! That was 50 yrs ago when they were made here...I still use them! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote:
I haven't seen S-K tools in my area for a long time. I didn't know they were still being made. They are currently under the Ideal Tools brand and are sold to any high-end mfrg company that may still be in existence and/or can afford to pay "tool reps". I recall my company's relation with Ideal Tools. Hot, cute, tool reps to sell you tools at insanely high prices, less than ethical shipping practices, after you've ordered. Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they seemed to be decent quality. I'm not a China hater. I figure China is to mfrg, now, what USA was, back in the 50s-60s. They will provide the quality they are paid to provide. No more, no less. At least Husky has the "Forever Guarantee". I remember the cheap sockets my step-dad used to buy. The chrome was peeling off, and they would either strip out inside or just crack in half when you put any pressure on them. I quickly learned to buy my own tools and not borrow his. :) Being retired, I don't hafta worry about tool quality as much as when I was a pro. This is fortunate, as the tools now available are crap, compared to 30-40 yrs ago. OTOH, I recently bought some Craftsman SAE combo wrenches. I held out until the "Made in USA" wrenches were on sale. Yes! Sears offers both domestic and foreign made tools under the Craftman name. Yer choice. I don't wanna guess "where" in the the USA these tools were made. Hopefully, not on Guam. BTW, my chrome S-K sockets never lost their chrome plating, even when I used 'em on air impact tools. Too bad they were stolen. :( nb |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 11:15:44 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
BTW, my chrome S-K sockets never lost their chrome plating, even when I used 'em on air impact tools. Too bad they were stolen. :( nb I have a set of S-K long box wrenches (at least 60 yrs old, from a neighbor lady)...they still look like stainless steel! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 14 Sep 2016 14:39:35 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote: Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or more. If yer Craftsman tools are really 30 yrs old, they are probably better than what Sears is offering, today. Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA. ;) http://www.skhandtool.com/carousel/made-in-usa.aspx nb If you know anyone who has recently had a baby, look closely between their butt cheeks for a "Made in China" label. 93.7% of all babies made since 2005 are now made in China. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:09:16 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 09/13/2016 01:19 PM, Meanie wrote: WHAT? The all American made motorcycle? I'm shocked! Except for the forks, carb, battery, probably the tires, the horn, and a few other minor pieces... Most of the bling in the boutique is from China. All of the chrome on the bike proper is plated here in Kitchener Ontario by Kuntz Electroplating. The japanese parts would be things like the starter and some other electrical parts. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:58:14 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote: My first metric socket set was an S-K set (45+ yrs ago). I don't recall any missing sizes. That's funny, my first metric socket set was S-K brand too. They were the first tools I bought when I started driving. I think I may still have one or two of those sockets left. They were fairly good quality compared to the cheap bargain store sockets my step-dad always bought. Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or more. Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com Back in the 60s and 70s SK was as good a tool as anything on the market.. I've had most of my Craftsman tools since 1969 - along with most of my SK and Herbrand. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:07:40 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote: Harley uses some Japanese (or other Pacific Rim) sourced parts that WILL have 10mm heads on 6mm bolts. WHAT? The all American made motorcycle? I'm shocked! It goes both ways... Several months ago I needed to replace a bolt for the seatbelt in my 1976 Rabbit. It's a German car, so I figured it was a metric bolt. I tried every available metric thread pitch, but nothing fit right. On a whim I tried a fine thread imperial bolt and it threaded in perfectly! Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com I've got a surprise for you. A 1976 Rabbit isn'r a german car - it was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 14 Sep 2016 16:15:39 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote: I haven't seen S-K tools in my area for a long time. I didn't know they were still being made. They are currently under the Ideal Tools brand and are sold to any high-end mfrg company that may still be in existence and/or can afford to pay "tool reps". I recall my company's relation with Ideal Tools. Hot, cute, tool reps to sell you tools at insanely high prices, less than ethical shipping practices, after you've ordered. Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they seemed to be decent quality. I'm not a China hater. I figure China is to mfrg, now, what USA was, back in the 50s-60s. They will provide the quality they are paid to provide. No more, no less. At least Husky has the "Forever Guarantee". I remember the cheap sockets my step-dad used to buy. The chrome was peeling off, and they would either strip out inside or just crack in half when you put any pressure on them. I quickly learned to buy my own tools and not borrow his. :) Being retired, I don't hafta worry about tool quality as much as when I was a pro. This is fortunate, as the tools now available are crap, compared to 30-40 yrs ago. OTOH, I recently bought some Craftsman SAE combo wrenches. I held out until the "Made in USA" wrenches were on sale. Yes! Sears offers both domestic and foreign made tools under the Craftman name. Yer choice. I don't wanna guess "where" in the the USA these tools were made. Hopefully, not on Guam. BTW, my chrome S-K sockets never lost their chrome plating, even when I used 'em on air impact tools. Too bad they were stolen. :( nb There are still decent quality tools available - comparable to the Craftsman tools of the late 60s - and the surprizing thing is they don't cost much more than the Craftsman tools did back in the time. I have well over $20,000 invested in mechanics hand tools - many purchaced when I was making significantly under $5 an hour. I could replace virtually all of them for under $8000 today - with equivalent or better quality and warrantee. (and I earn a lot more than $5 an hour today!!!) Back then I could by a nice new mustang for under $3000 0 making that $20000 more like 200000 today!!! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 9/14/2016 10:39 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote: Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or more. If yer Craftsman tools are really 30 yrs old, they are probably better than what Sears is offering, today. Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA. ;) http://www.skhandtool.com/carousel/made-in-usa.aspx nb Mine are 50 years old and yes, better than the new stuff. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On 14 Sep 2016 14:39:35 GMT, notbob wrote: On 2016-09-14, HerHusband wrote: Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or more. If yer Craftsman tools are really 30 yrs old, they are probably better than what Sears is offering, today. Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA. ;) http://www.skhandtool.com/carousel/made-in-usa.aspx nb If you know anyone who has recently had a baby, look closely between their butt cheeks for a "Made in China" label. 93.7% of all babies made since 2005 are now made in China. Maybe the Mormon isn't dead? No...even he was funnier! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 09/14/2016 01:17 PM, wrote:
The japanese parts would be things like the starter and some other electrical parts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keihin_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa_Corporation Some of the cast wheels are by Enkei. They may be made in the Jacksonville plant. I don't know about current production but they used to favor Dunlop tires. Who knows where they were made. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
I've got a surprise for you. A 1976 Rabbit isn't a german car
it was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania The Westmoreland plant didn't start building Rabbits until 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksw...eland_Assembly My 1976 VW Rabbit was built in Wolfsburg, Germany. Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:10:40 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
I've got a surprise for you. A 1976 Rabbit isn't a german car it was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania The Westmoreland plant didn't start building Rabbits until 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksw...eland_Assembly My 1976 VW Rabbit was built in Wolfsburg, Germany. My 1967 Beetle was born in Germany, lived in Germany and died in Germany. I totaled it while stationed at USCG LORSTA Sylt Germany in 1976. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
There are 9mm bolts on Nakamura, GT and Diadora bicycles but some sets don't come with these sockets.
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
I have never used 9 and 20 mm. A rounded/rusted 10/21 might fit. I have all metric sizes from 6mm except 20. If somebody need a 9mm flexible ratchet wrench let me know...
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
I had this question too in the middle of working on a car. That is when I discovered the following:
5mm = 3/16 8mm = 5/16 11mm = 7/16 14mm = 9/16 (starting to see the pattern?) Manufacturers are not including the metric sizes which match up to common SAE sizes, either because the set purchased includes both metric and SAE or in order to encourage metric users to also purchase the SAE set given that there are more metric sizes than SAE. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 11/27/2019 1:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/27/2019 1:54 PM, wrote: I had this question too in the middle of working on a car.Â* That is when I discovered the following: 5mm = 3/16 8mm = 5/16 11mm = 7/16 14mm = 9/16 (starting to see the pattern?) Manufacturers are not including the metric sizes which match up to common SAE sizes, either because the set purchased includes both metric and SAE or in order to encourage metric users to also purchase the SAE set given that there are more metric sizes than SAE. What pattern?Â* 8mm = .315 inchesÂ*Â* 5/16 = .3125 Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 14mm = .5512 inchesÂ* 9/16 = .5625 Close, but not equal.Â* Competent tradesmen that work on both have both sets of tools. Â*Even backyard hack mechanics like me have full sets of both . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:14:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/27/2019 1:54 PM, wrote: I had this question too in the middle of working on a car. That is when I discovered the following: 5mm = 3/16 8mm = 5/16 11mm = 7/16 14mm = 9/16 (starting to see the pattern?) Manufacturers are not including the metric sizes which match up to common SAE sizes, either because the set purchased includes both metric and SAE or in order to encourage metric users to also purchase the SAE set given that there are more metric sizes than SAE. What pattern? 8mm = .315 inches 5/16 = .3125 14mm = .5512 inches 9/16 = .5625 Close, but not equal. Competent tradesmen that work on both have both sets of tools. If you have a worn 9/16 that 14mm will usually get a little better bite. Same with 1/2 and 12mm but you might be driving that one on. ;-) |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Friday, November 5, 2010 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-4, Red Green wrote:
Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc. They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12... Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16? Also a metric socket set covering the same range as a 13 piece SAE set starting at 7/16 would requier 10 more sockets to be compleat. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. I'm with you. A lot of machines could use one size bolt versus 4 or 5. Some would be stronger than necessary but it would make repair a lot simpler. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:39:35 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16? Also a metric socket set covering the same range as a 13 piece SAE set starting at 7/16 would requier 10 more sockets to be compleat. I fail to understand why there are wrenches that are sized so close to each other, not counting the need to fit bolts that should not be made either. The SAE of going up 1/16 of an inch or less in sizes over 3/4 of an inch seems just as bad. Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. 7mm, 9mm 11mm and 13mm thread sizes are almost non-existant "in the wild" and in larger sizes the gaps ARE much larger, in the real world. The difference in head sizes per bolt size between "systems" makes the full size range important - not the 1mm incement in thread sizes. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 13:32:49 -0800 (PST), TimR
wrote: On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. I'm with you. A lot of machines could use one size bolt versus 4 or 5. Some would be stronger than necessary but it would make repair a lot simpler. A toyota car uses 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 mm thread sizes with 8, 10, 14 and 14mm heads for almost everything, with the occaisional larger bolts where required. You would not want to use a 10mm bolt where most of the 4 and 6 mm bolts are used, I can assure you!!!!! |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 12/3/2019 4:32 PM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. I'm with you. A lot of machines could use one size bolt versus 4 or 5. Some would be stronger than necessary but it would make repair a lot simpler. True, but it should have been settled 100 years ago. As long as the bolts exist the wrenches are needed. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
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Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:41:12 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... A toyota car uses 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 mm thread sizes with 8, 10, 14 and 14mm heads for almost everything, with the occaisional larger bolts where required. You would not want to use a 10mm bolt where most of the 4 and 6 mm bolts are used, I can assure you!!!!! In the smaller sizes I can see it, but surely a 19 mm and 20 mm could just a 20mm and skip over the 19. What would be wrong with using a 14 mm where the 10 mm is being used other than a very small cost. Never seen a 19mm bolt. 19mm head? yes - but not a 19mm bolt. Might exist, but I've never seen one.\ Metric standards are 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 27, 30, 33, and 36mm in metric coarse threads. Metric fine are8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 and 24mm M7 is VERY rare |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:57:28 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 13:32:49 -0800 (PST), TimR wrote: On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. I'm with you. A lot of machines could use one size bolt versus 4 or 5. Some would be stronger than necessary but it would make repair a lot simpler. A toyota car uses 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 mm thread sizes with 8, 10, 14 and 14mm heads for almost everything, with the occaisional larger bolts where required. You would not want to use a 10mm bolt where most of the 4 and 6 mm bolts are used, I can assure you!!!!! The same is pretty much true of Yamaha outboards too. There are some 7MM (head) screws on the electronics and you need a 15MM to drop the foot. I bet 80% of the bolts have 10MM heads tho. Must be, that is the socket I lose most often ;-) |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:27:39 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/3/2019 4:32 PM, TimR wrote: On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: Does a bolt really have much more strength in size 21 than a size 20 in metric ? I would think that as wrenches/bolts reach around size 12 metric they would go up in steps of 3 to 4 to gain enough to make them worth while to make. I'm with you. A lot of machines could use one size bolt versus 4 or 5. Some would be stronger than necessary but it would make repair a lot simpler. True, but it should have been settled 100 years ago. As long as the bolts exist the wrenches are needed. I had that discussion with IBM. We were carrying about 50 different Allen, Bristol 4&6 flute and Torx wrenches around to deal with basic screws. It got worse when they threw metrics at us. The answer was they buy assemblies from vendors and each vendor's engineer think they have the perfect fastener and none of them agree what it should be. I then asked if we had bid specs. Couldn't we tell them what to use. The answer was no. |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 28/11/19 6:14 am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/27/2019 1:54 PM, wrote: I had this question too in the middle of working on a car.Â* That is when I discovered the following: 5mm = 3/16 8mm = 5/16 11mm = 7/16 14mm = 9/16 (starting to see the pattern?) Manufacturers are not including the metric sizes which match up to common SAE sizes, either because the set purchased includes both metric and SAE or in order to encourage metric users to also purchase the SAE set given that there are more metric sizes than SAE. What pattern?Â* 8mm = .315 inchesÂ*Â* 5/16 = .3125 Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 14mm = .5512 inchesÂ* 9/16 = .5625 Yes, works Ok one way but not so well the other. Close, but not equal.Â* Competent tradesmen that work on both have both sets of tools. Absolutely correct. In fact, I had 3 complete sets of tools since I needed the British sizes as well for the trucks I used to work on. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
On 28/11/19 12:39 pm, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:54:18 -0800 (PST), wrote: I had this question too in the middle of working on a car. That is when I discovered the following: 5mm = 3/16 8mm = 5/16 11mm = 7/16 14mm = 9/16 (starting to see the pattern?) Manufacturers are not including the metric sizes which match up to common SAE sizes, either because the set purchased includes both metric and SAE or in order to encourage metric users to also purchase the SAE set given that there are more metric sizes than SAE. Not true At all. The reason certain metric sizes are not included in most common tool sets is different countries use different metric standards which use different bolt head sizes. Japanese cars do not use 11 or 13mm heads - they use 10 and 12 - and 14 for 6, 8, and 10mm bolts. There are 3 main standards - ANSI/ISO, DIN, and JIS All 3 use 7mm heads on 4mm and 8mm on 5 mm threads. All 3 use 10mm heads on 6mm, and DIN only uses 11mm heads on 7mm bolts.The other 2 standards do noy use any 7mm bolts. On 8mm bolts JIS uses 12mm heads while DIN and ANSI?ISO use 13mm. On 10mm bolts JIS uses 14mm, ANSI/ISO uses 16 and DIN uses 17mm. On 14mm JIS uses 19, ANSI/ISO uses 21 and DIN uses 22 On 16mm JIS uses 22 while ANSI/ISO and DIN use 24 Only DIN uses 18mm with a 27mm head while ANSI/ISO and JIS use 20mm threads with a 30mm head. Then there are some manufacturers who go it alone and put a 11 mm heads on a 6mm bolt. SO for a german car you will get a set with 7,8,10,11,13,17,22,24 and 27mm. On a Japanese set you get 7, 8, 10, 12, 14, 19, 22, and 30mm On American metrics you use 7, 8, 10 (or sometimes 11), 13, 16, 21, 24, and 30mm More or less. I was going to mention that *difference* between Euro and Japanese but you beat me to it! Comprehensively so too! ;-) -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
9mm needed for top nut on shocks of Dodge ram. Also, backing nut size 18mm.
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