I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job. I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there about 3
years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at their PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?

wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job. I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been
there about 3 years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with
termite damage to the point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at
their PT lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone
else seeing serious deterioration of building materials?

Under government orders the wood people have removed chemicals toxic to
kids, small animals, and baby insects.

It's for the children.

On Sep 29, 9:35*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job. *I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been
there about 3 years. *I turn them over and ....... riddled with
termite damage to the point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. *I looked at
their PT lumber and it had mold growing on it. *No kidding. *Anyone
else seeing serious deterioration of building materials?

Under government orders the wood people have removed chemicals toxic to
kids, small animals, and baby insects.

It's for the children.

Same reason I'm battling ants in the kitchen in recent years and NYC
is becoming riddled with bed bugs.
EPA banned chemicals that worked in the past.

On Sep 30, 7:15*am, Frank wrote:


Same reason I'm battling ants in the kitchen in recent years and NYC
is becoming riddled with bed bugs.
EPA banned chemicals that worked in the past.

No they didn't ban it, they just put it in a 'restricted use'
category. Which means you have to get a permit to use it. Which
means you have to take a test showing that you have some common sense
for using pesticides. Which means you can't buy the good stuff over-
the-counter but you can still buy it if you have a permit. Which
means EPA is trying to keep the potent/good stuff out of the hands of
dumb-asses while still allowing it's use for those who know how to use
it properly.

KC wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:15 am, Frank wrote:

Same reason I'm battling ants in the kitchen in recent years and NYC
is becoming riddled with bed bugs.
EPA banned chemicals that worked in the past.

No they didn't ban it, they just put it in a 'restricted use'
category. Which means you have to get a permit to use it. Which
means you have to take a test showing that you have some common sense
for using pesticides. Which means you can't buy the good stuff over-
the-counter but you can still buy it if you have a permit. Which
means EPA is trying to keep the potent/good stuff out of the hands of
dumb-asses while still allowing it's use for those who know how to use
it properly.

The solution to ants in the kitchen for lots of folks is to smother the
yard with poison, often applied during inappropriate conditions. Some
of my neighbors, who have never read a label, use a 50# bag of poison to
CRUSH the bugs to death....

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:40:54 -0700 (PDT), KC
wrote:

On Sep 30, 7:15Â*am, Frank wrote:


Same reason I'm battling ants in the kitchen in recent years and NYC
is becoming riddled with bed bugs.
EPA banned chemicals that worked in the past.

No they didn't ban it, they just put it in a 'restricted use'
category. Which means you have to get a permit to use it. Which
means you have to take a test showing that you have some common sense
for using pesticides. Which means you can't buy the good stuff over-
the-counter but you can still buy it if you have a permit. Which
means EPA is trying to keep the potent/good stuff out of the hands of
dumb-asses while still allowing it's use for those who know how to use
it properly.
They have outright BANNED a lot of it -and if the EPA in the USA
hasn't, Canada - and in particular Ontario has. NO "cosmetic
pesticides" on lawns - which includes herbicides.

The cinch bugs and dandelions will be totally taking over in a few
years. If they had the vote they'd take over the government at the
next election!!

Frank wrote:
On Sep 29, 9:35 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job. I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been
there about 3 years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with
termite damage to the point they had zero value.
Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at
their PT lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone
else seeing serious deterioration of building materials?
Under government orders the wood people have removed chemicals toxic to
kids, small animals, and baby insects.

It's for the children.

Same reason I'm battling ants in the kitchen in recent years and NYC
is becoming riddled with bed bugs.
EPA banned chemicals that worked in the past.

What EPA-banned chemical kept the ants out of your kitchen in the past?
That problem has pretty simple solutions, beginning with sealing
entries and eliminating food sources. Hornets have been bugging me
lately outdoors, but it's getting cold and I have a winter coat )
They seem to become more pesty during severe dry spells....just looking
for a drink.

In article ,
" wrote:



What EPA-banned chemical kept the ants out of your kitchen in the past?

I'm not the one to whom you directed your query, but Diazinon works
great for me.

That problem has pretty simple solutions, beginning with sealing
entries and eliminating food sources.

You seal up ant-sized cracks? Damn I hate presbyopia.

In news Smitty Two spewed forth:
In article ,
" wrote:



What EPA-banned chemical kept the ants out of your kitchen in the
past?

I'm not the one to whom you directed your query, but Diazinon works
great for me.


Dursban, too


That problem has pretty simple solutions, beginning with sealing
entries and eliminating food sources.

You seal up ant-sized cracks? Damn I hate presbyopia.

I use a tiny chaulking gung

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
" wrote:


What EPA-banned chemical kept the ants out of your kitchen in the past?

I'm not the one to whom you directed your query, but Diazinon works
great for me.

That problem has pretty simple solutions, beginning with sealing
entries and eliminating food sources.

You seal up ant-sized cracks? Damn I hate presbyopia.

Yeh...I crawl around the kitchen using a microscope to peer under the
baseboards ) OTOH, caulk around inside along baseboard makes them
look a little harder. Keeping food spills, sweet or greasy food (pet
food, etc.) off the floor makes the place less attractive to ants.

wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job. I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been
there about 3 years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with
termite damage to the point they had zero value.

If one lives in a termite zone, is it not rather stupid to "store" lumber
in direct contact with the ground for a month, let alone three years?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Sep 29, 6:51*pm, wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job. *I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there about 3
years. *I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. *I looked at their PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. *No kidding. *Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.

The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.

On 9/29/2010 10:52 PM, KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:51 wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job. I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there about 3
years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at their PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.

The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.


Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)

TDD

In ,
The Daring Dufas spewed forth:
On 9/29/2010 10:52 PM, KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:51 wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job. I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had
been there about 3 years. I turn them over and ....... riddled
with termite damage to the point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at
their PT lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone
else seeing serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The
department manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not
Lowes so they wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He
said to get replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't
happy about it. The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all
the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.


Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)

TDD

butz you gitz ta feelz good fer da chillrens

ChairMan wrote:


butz you gitz ta feelz good fer da chillrens



Lol. So true.

On Sep 29, 11:24*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)


AMEN, bro!

On Sep 30, 9:46*am, KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:24*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)

AMEN, bro!

It's not the epa. PT wood has always had penetration issues. They
want to cycle the wood through the pressure chamber as fast as they
can. And they don't want to make sure the wood is properly dried
before hand. So it's almost impossible to get saturation all the way
through. Any cracks or end cuts expose what is basically untreated
wood.

I used that tree cut repair tar to coat pt wood in situations where
I'm going to bury it and it's critical that it not rot.

jamesgangnc wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:46 am, KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:24 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)
AMEN, bro!

It's not the epa. PT wood has always had penetration issues. They
want to cycle the wood through the pressure chamber as fast as they
can. And they don't want to make sure the wood is properly dried
before hand. So it's almost impossible to get saturation all the way
through. Any cracks or end cuts expose what is basically untreated
wood.

I used that tree cut repair tar to coat pt wood in situations where
I'm going to bury it and it's critical that it not rot.

Well, it certainly is EPA that has banned many of the earlier products
and it isn't at all clear the replacements are as good (and in some
instances it's pretty clear they're not). Whether it's an overall win
is probably debatable in some instances (I'm yet to be convinced there
was any real significant issue in the PT case that needed to be fixed)
but otoh, DDT clearly had some significant unintended consequences used
as widely as it was initially.

--

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:24:07 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Where's good old creosote when you need it?

I've heard of folk making something similar by thinning down waste engine
oil. Won't penetrate as much as PT, but it's easy to DIY every few years
(and I seem to recall my dad talking me into creosoting fences every few
years when I was a kid too - nobody ever thought of it as bad, they just
knew to keep the stuff off their skin)

re. PT lumber, there's a real mixture out there - some of the stuff that
the big stores sell is junk, some of it not too bad. There doesn't seem
to be any consistency, or knowing what you're going to get (same's true
with non-PT lumber, too). I usually stockpile a few good bits when I see
them, if I happen to know I'll need them for a project a few months down
the line.

We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed bugs
and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think our
technology is devolving. 8-)

Yeah, that and there are so many darn people on the planet that things
which used to be good in moderation are now considered bad :-)

cheers

Jules

A recent conversation, discussing wasp killer spray, that seems more
like a shower and rinse.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)

TDD

KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:51 pm, wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job. I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there about 3
years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at their PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.

The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.


Same old problem of too much of a good thing. PT used to be for fence
posts, until everyone on the planet built a deck and a play yard...

So many prescription drugs are disposed of that they show up in water
supplies and in our body tissues....there are probably very sensible
solutions to that problem, too, but too many conflicting money issues.

wrote in message
m...
KC wrote:
On Sep 29, 6:51 pm, wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job.
I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there
about 3
years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at their
PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.

The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.


Same old problem of too much of a good thing. PT used to be for fence
posts, until everyone on the planet built a deck and a play yard...

So many prescription drugs are disposed of that they show up in water
supplies and in our body tissues....there are probably very sensible
solutions to that problem, too, but too many conflicting money issues.



I think I read that the prescription drug thing was people peeing and not so
much about granny flushing her meds..

The only thing banning DDT did was kill untold millions of 3rd world people
due to malaria spread by mosquitoes...

KC wrote in
:

On Sep 29, 6:51*pm, wrote:
I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
job.
*I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there
about
3
years. *I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to
the point they had zero value.

Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. *I looked at
their
PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. *No kidding. *Anyone else seein
g
serious deterioration of building materials?

I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.

The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.



As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does,

Wadda ya mean? How about the fact that so many peices of PT are not used
full size. Ya gotta make a cut. [Yea, I know. posts are whacked off the
top]