Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

In article ,
Bill Murphy wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:46:55 -0500, JimT wrote:

most, if not all, local and state statutes are on the internet.
He could Google it. May take some time.

I posted a few references for California legal search sites.

None contained ANY California law regarding the transportation and storage
of 5-gallon jugs of gasoline for personal use.

Many contained transportation of 120 gallons or more; and OSHA sites
contained regulations for the work place; but so far, nobody on this planet
can cite a specific California law that regulates the storage or
transportation of 20-gallons worth of gasoline in the state of California.

Wow, you're pretty worked up about this law specificity aspect. What are
you going to do with the information if you find it? Is it going to
cause you to modify your behavior in some way? Are you now transporting
25 gallons at a time but will immediately reduce that to 15 if you can
just find that damn law?

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

Bill Murphy wrote in
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:43:09 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar wrote:
Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a
car?

Do they have vent holes and/or pour spouts?

They are certified EPA spillproof leakproof kidproof red plastic
gasoline cans. Gas goes in. Never comes out.

The only opening is the spout. It has special "engineering" to not let
the gas out. Gas only develops about 20psi when heated under the hot
sun so that's not enough to blow up the can
(http://www.blitzusa.com/faq.htm).

There was a test of the Blitz cans on the web (gotta dig for it) which
showed absolutely zero weight loss (they measure weight not volume)
for a can out in the sun for a year IIRC. When compared to the
"vented" can, the Blitz won.

Of course, it's a B*TC* to get the gasoline OUT of the can, but that's
a whole nother topic.

Man, that must have been some lawsuit. Prime candidate for the darwin
awards I'd bet.


--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

"Bill Murphy" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:46:55 -0500, JimT wrote:

most, if not all, local and state statutes are on the internet.
He could Google it. May take some time.

I posted a few references for California legal search sites.

None contained ANY California law regarding the transportation and storage
of 5-gallon jugs of gasoline for personal use.

Many contained transportation of 120 gallons or more; and OSHA sites
contained regulations for the work place; but so far, nobody on this
planet
can cite a specific California law that regulates the storage or
transportation of 20-gallons worth of gasoline in the state of California.

Well, be quiet, or someone in California WILL make a law. They got one on
the books for everything else. ;-)

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

wrote


Gasoline vapor in open air BURNS, but it has to be under the right
conditions, which are rarely present at an accident scene.

reply: Got your medical marijuana reupped, I see. Go to any junkyard and
look at car carcasses and get back to us.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in yourback yard in the open air question
 

On Jul 22, 6:21*pm, Roy wrote:

You should contact your local planning department with regards to
storage. *They are the best place to start. *Another good place is your
local fire department since it involves hazardous material storage.

As far as transportation, I did find this

"It is ILLEGAL to transport more than 15 gallons or 125 pounds of
hazardous waste in your personal vehicle."

Except that usable gasoline is not "hazardous waste." Since the
gasoline is not "waste" but is being stored for future use (i.e.
consumption) it doesn't qualify as hazardous waste. It would qualify
as "flammable liquid" however. If it was mopped up contaminated and
unusable gasoline - gasoline which got mixed with something else like
paint thinner, or was so dirty, say from spilling with sand or dirt
that it could not be recovered by simple filtering - *then* it would
qualify as hazardous waste. Since it can be used, as is, out of the
storage container and is suitable for its intended use, it's not
waste.

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in yourback yard in the open air question
 

On Jul 23, 11:23*am, Bill Murphy wrote:

My point is that laws clearly vary by state:
- It's illegal in some states to get out of your car to refuel or pay

Only in Oregon and New Jersey, those are the only states that still
mandate Full Service.

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in yourback yard in the open air question
 

On Jul 22, 3:57*pm, LM wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:45:00 -0700, Steve B wrote:
You cited about 5 gallon containers for handling. *
Nothing stated there about storage.

I'm trying. I really am. I want to know myself what the law is.

I gave up on the California DOT (aka Caltrans) web site as its search
mechanism is a mess.

I googled for "California law gasoline portable storage container
transportation and storage"


Try "California definition "hazardous waste"

This site

http://ccelearn.csus.edu/wasteclass/mod2/mod2_01.html

gave this definition:

“waste” is a material that has been used or has otherwise served its
intended purpose and, for whatever reason, can or will no longer be
used. In the Title 22 CCR, a waste is defined as any discarded
material (in any form, such as solid, liquid, semi-solid, or contained
gas) that is not excluded by Section 66261.4(a), 66261.4(e), or
25143.2(b) or 25143.2(d).

So my prior comment was correct: as long as it is still fit for use
and is not effectively "discarded" it's not waste. Now what you have
to worry about is the limit for storing inflammables.

This search

california maximum gasoline storage limit

Produced this page from Chevron:
http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...g_storage.aspx

With this quote:

One and two and five gallon containers should carry a sticker
indicating they are approved for gasoline storage by the Underwriters
Laboratories (UL). A plastic container has the advantage that it will
not rust if the gasoline is contaminated with water or if the
container is stored in a wet place.

A 60-gallon metal drum is the only container approved by the Uniform
Fire Code for the storage of more than five gallons of gasoline.

The Uniform Fire Code limits the amount of gasoline in residential
buildings to the amount "necessary for maintenance purposes and
operation of equipment," not to exceed a maximum of 25 gallons.

Note that local Fire Department regulations may supersede the Uniform
Fire Code. When storing more that five gallons of gasoline it is best
to check with your local Fire Department for local regulations.

So there is no problem for 5 gallons, you probably won't have a
problem up to 25 - which is 5 five-gallon cans - but if it's more than
that you are going to need to use a drum and probably a local permit
or ok from the Fire Marshall.

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

"Paul Robinson" wrote

Try "California definition "hazardous waste"

This site

http://ccelearn.csus.edu/wasteclass/mod2/mod2_01.html

gave this definition:

“waste” is a material that has been used or has otherwise served its
intended purpose and, for whatever reason, can or will no longer be
used.

Similar rules in MA. We can have all the hydraulic oil we want to have in
machines. We can have drums of new oil to replace it with as needed. But,
as soon as we take it out of a machine and put it back in a drum, it becomes
hazardous waste, needs permitting to store and dispose of and has limits on
how much we can have (3 drums in our case). Disposal must be with a
licensed hauler, etc.

Transporting 20 gallons of gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air question
 

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Similar rules in MA. We can have all the hydraulic oil we want to
have in machines. We can have drums of new oil to replace it with as
needed. But, as soon as we take it out of a machine and put it back
in a drum, it becomes hazardous waste, needs permitting to store and
dispose of and has limits on how much we can have (3 drums in our
case). Disposal must be with a licensed hauler, etc.

Strange. Don't the storm drains in your neighborhood need lubricating?