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On Jun 15, 4:41*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message .... On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message .... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? ================== I just checked my manual and found no manufacturer-recommended replacement intervals for the items you mentioned. Therefore, they are not in the same category as an item which DOES come with such recommendations. I can't even remember that last time I had a water pump fail....probably sometime in the early 80's on a Celia that had about 150K on it. Spending money just to be spending is stupid, And most of the shops use aftermarket parts which end up failing before the factory part would have anyway. Oh, and I just checked the owners manuals for my Honda, Toyota, and Mazda...and there is ZIPPO about replacing the water pump. I suggest you buy a better car. ========== I own a Toyota Tacoma. What would you suggest I buy instead? Well if it REALLY says to replace the water pump, I would ignore it. But hey, that's just me. |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314
wrote: On Jun 15, 2:34Â*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: On 06/15/10 11:00 am, SteveB wrote: The manual - and therefore the dealer - says the timing belt on his vehicle should be replaced at 90K, which is right where he's at. On my vehicles, I operate in a "run until failure mode" for MOST things. That does not include tires, brakes, and safety items. Â*If the vehicle is driven locally, and it throws a timing belt, a short tow would be in order. If it is used for trips, it would be a longer tow, and failure on the Interstate or in another state would be a more serious scenario. With belts now being common, there is less damage when the timing belt is thrown, versus a timing chain, so you don't really risk massive damage from failure. If it was my car, I'd drive it until failure. We had a '96 Dodge Stratus ES (Mitsu****ty 6-cyl interference engine). At 55K or so, the water pump went, so I said, "Replace the timing belt while you're about it, even though it's supposed to be good until 100K. No point in paying for all that labor twice over." At about 85K "Bang!": broken timing belt; not worth the cost of repair. I don't know whether the independent repair shop -- in another State -- did not in fact replace the timing belt as instructed and for which I paid or whether they didn't check and replace the idler/tensioner pulley, whose bearings might have been ruined by the leaking coolant. The local Rescue Mission to which I donated it told me they couldn't find a replacement engine for it that was any good, so they just sold it to a wrecking yard. They also said that the company through which they offer warranties on the cars they recondition and resell won't do warranties on cars with those engines. Our current Chrysler 300M is a few hundred miles shy of the 100K at which timing belt replacement is recommended, and you bet I'll be getting the job done within a very short while -- and I'll insist on getting the tensioner and water pump replaced at the same time. All the dealers around have quoted me about $1200 for that lot; I haven't yet got a quote from an independent. I'm just sitting here reading this thread and smiling to myself as I think of the Dodge truck and two Saturn SL2s we have now, and our three previous cars and trucks, with a combined total of over a million miles ... and timing CHAINS in all six...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who decided to replace timing chains with timing belts? I grew up with cars that had timing chains and they lasted forever. Paul SOME lasted forever. The 2.6 Mitso****ty would have been farther ahead with rubber bands, much less regular timing belts. I've replaced a LOT of Chevy and Mopar timing chains over the decades as well - and many of them before 100,000 miles. |
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On Jun 15, 5:08*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314 wrote: On Jun 15, 2:34*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: On 06/15/10 11:00 am, SteveB wrote: The manual - and therefore the dealer - says the timing belt on his vehicle should be replaced at 90K, which is right where he's at. On my vehicles, I operate in a "run until failure mode" for MOST things. That does not include tires, brakes, and safety items. *If the vehicle is driven locally, and it throws a timing belt, a short tow would be in order. If it is used for trips, it would be a longer tow, and failure on the Interstate or in another state would be a more serious scenario. With belts now being common, there is less damage when the timing belt is thrown, versus a timing chain, so you don't really risk massive damage from failure. If it was my car, I'd drive it until failure. We had a '96 Dodge Stratus ES (Mitsu****ty 6-cyl interference engine).. At 55K or so, the water pump went, so I said, "Replace the timing belt while you're about it, even though it's supposed to be good until 100K. No point in paying for all that labor twice over." At about 85K "Bang!": broken timing belt; not worth the cost of repair. I don't know whether the independent repair shop -- in another State -- did not in fact replace the timing belt as instructed and for which I paid or whether they didn't check and replace the idler/tensioner pulley, whose bearings might have been ruined by the leaking coolant. The local Rescue Mission to which I donated it told me they couldn't find a replacement engine for it that was any good, so they just sold it to a wrecking yard. They also said that the company through which they offer warranties on the cars they recondition and resell won't do warranties on cars with those engines. Our current Chrysler 300M is a few hundred miles shy of the 100K at which timing belt replacement is recommended, and you bet I'll be getting the job done within a very short while -- and I'll insist on getting the tensioner and water pump replaced at the same time. All the dealers around have quoted me about $1200 for that lot; I haven't yet got a quote from an independent. I'm just sitting here reading this thread and smiling to myself as I think of the Dodge truck and two Saturn SL2s we have now, and our three previous cars and trucks, with a combined total of over a million miles ... and timing CHAINS in all six...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who decided to replace timing chains with timing belts? I grew up with cars that had timing chains and they lasted forever. Paul SOME lasted forever. The 2.6 Mitso****ty would have been farther ahead with rubber bands, much less regular timing belts. I've replaced a LOT of Chevy and Mopar timing chains over the decades as well - and many of them before 100,000 miles. Timing chains on a Chevy small block would get slack in them and wear a whole through the timing chain cover. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote: ...snipped... It was my friend who told the mechanic that the timing belt was on the dealer's 90K replacement list and he asked for quote to replace it. It was the mechanic who replied that 90K was too early. The tranny fluid change made sense, replacing the spark plugs was probably a good idea, valve adjustments if there was any chatter, but changing the timing belt was not needed. It other words it was the mechanic(s) who made the "pointless attempt to predict the future". ...snipped... Speaking from over 30 years experience in vehicle and mobile equipment maintenance, the likely translation of this is "I don't own the special tools that would enable me to do the job quickly enough to make any money at a price competitive with a shop that DOES own the tools. -- There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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"Ron" wrote in message ... I can't even remember that last time I had a water pump fail....probably sometime in the early 80's on a Celia that had about 150K on it. Spending money just to be spending is stupid, And most of the shops use aftermarket parts which end up failing before the factory part would have anyway. Oh, and I just checked the owners manuals for my Honda, Toyota, and Mazda...and there is ZIPPO about replacing the water pump. I suggest you buy a better car. The water pump replacement depends on the car. Some Toyotas have the water pump under the timing belt and you have to remove all the stuff anyway. Might as well spend an extra $ 100 while inside the motor. If you only got 150 K miles out of the water pump that means your pump may fail 30 K miles or so before you go back into the moter for the timing belt. Timing belts fail and leave you stranded. The alternator can go out and usually you can still drive for a short distance. If the AC compressor fails, you just get hot and it can be repaired at any time. Some cars break the timing belt and the valves hit the pistons and you are in for major expenses. Why change oil? Just add some if needed.. I had a Toyota with enough miles on it to replace the belt the second time. I did not change it as the trade in value was only about what the belt change would have been. I had decided if it failed to just let the car go to the junk yard. It did last long enough that I bought a new truck. I sold the car to a co-worker. I did tell him the belt ws about 20 K miles overdue and if he did not change it right away not to ask for a refund. My mechanic wanted to change the water pump and he showed me why. I let him. He only uses parts made by the makers of the cars he works on for major parts. |
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DerbyDad03 wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348-
: Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. -- Tegger |
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My 1990 Dodge caraven with 3.0 engine served me well for about 450,000
miles. It was sad when I finally replaced it. The only bad problem was transmissions went thru 7 or 8 rebulds: ( Fortunately I had made a good buy and had a AAMCO lifetime rebuild. considering how much I drive fpor my small business it did a excellent job, I replaced it with another caravan. |
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On Jun 15, 7:38*pm, Tegger wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. -- Tegger Are you "Honda Tegger"? |
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Ron wrote in
: Are you "Honda Tegger"? Si, Senor. -- Tegger |
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On Jun 15, 6:27*pm, (Larry W) wrote:
In article ,JoeSpareBedro om wrote: ...snipped...It was my friend who told the mechanic that the timing belt was on the dealer's 90K replacement list and he asked for quote to replace it. It was the mechanic who replied that 90K was too early. The tranny fluid change made sense, replacing the spark plugs was probably a good idea, valve adjustments if there was any chatter, but changing the timing belt was not needed. It other words it was the mechanic(s) who made the "pointless attempt to predict the future". ...snipped... Speaking from over 30 years experience in vehicle and mobile equipment maintenance, the likely translation of this is "I don't own the special tools that would enable me to do the job quickly enough to make any money at a price competitive with a shop that DOES own the tools. -- * * There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, * * plausible, and wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *(H L Mencken) * * *Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org That may be the case, but my friend got the same answer from more than one shop, including the one that I trust...the one that I am sure can handle that job with ease. |
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On Jun 15, 7:38*pm, Tegger wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. -- Tegger 2004 Honda Odyssey 3.5L SOHC, 24-Valve, VTEC V6 engine The engine info is an educated guess since AFAIK that's the only engine the vehicle came with. |
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Ron wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. -- aem sends... |
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On Jun 15, 11:05*pm, aemeijers wrote:
Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message .... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? *The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. Not ALL cars (including the 3 that I own) have an internal water pump, Mr Know It All. |
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On Jun 15, 10:39*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 15, 7:38*pm, Tegger wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. -- Tegger 2004 Honda Odyssey 3.5L SOHC, 24-Valve, VTEC V6 engine The engine info is an educated guess since AFAIK that's the only engine the vehicle came with. Well, Tegger is the person to answer your question. |
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On Jun 15, 11:29*pm, Ron wrote:
On Jun 15, 11:05*pm, aemeijers wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? *The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. Not ALL cars (including the 3 that I own) have an internal water pump, Mr Know It All. BTW, a LOT of "garages" use ****ty aftermarket parts that won't last as long as the factory part anyway. Case in point.......I had the right front wheel bearing replaced on my Honda at 85,000 miles, now 10,000 miles later, it is already failing. And that was at a chain tire store. |
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On Jun 15, 10:39*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
2004 Honda Odyssey 3.5L SOHC, 24-Valve, VTEC V6 engine Looking up a timing belt kit on the Advance Auto web site shows the following note: "Timing Belt Kit;Interference engine" From NAPA: "Comments: Interference Engine" Not exactly conclusive, but others will know better where to verify. |
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"Ron" wrote in message
... On Jun 15, 11:05 pm, aemeijers wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. =================== Everyone else in the discussion realized that we were talking about internal water pumps. Case closed. |
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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
... On Jun 15, 6:27 pm, (Larry W) wrote: In article ,JoeSpareBedro om wrote: ...snipped...It was my friend who told the mechanic that the timing belt was on the dealer's 90K replacement list and he asked for quote to replace it. It was the mechanic who replied that 90K was too early. The tranny fluid change made sense, replacing the spark plugs was probably a good idea, valve adjustments if there was any chatter, but changing the timing belt was not needed. It other words it was the mechanic(s) who made the "pointless attempt to predict the future". ...snipped... Speaking from over 30 years experience in vehicle and mobile equipment maintenance, the likely translation of this is "I don't own the special tools that would enable me to do the job quickly enough to make any money at a price competitive with a shop that DOES own the tools. -- There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org That may be the case, but my friend got the same answer from more than one shop, including the one that I trust...the one that I am sure can handle that job with ease. ============= And my excellent mechanic says "Are you a gambler? Will you be staying close to home until the belt fails? Then don't replace it." He's 100% correct to ask these questions. |
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On 6/15/2010 11:47 PM, Ron wrote:
On Jun 15, 11:29 pm, wrote: On Jun 15, 11:05 pm, wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt& water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. Not ALL cars (including the 3 that I own) have an internal water pump, Mr Know It All. BTW, a LOT of "garages" use ****ty aftermarket parts that won't last as long as the factory part anyway. Sure, only because lots of folks seemed to have totally embraced cheap instead of value. We use an evil mom & pop place and he will explicitly offer both the junky parts and the quality parts when quoting a repair. Case in point.......I had the right front wheel bearing replaced on my Honda at 85,000 miles, now 10,000 miles later, it is already failing. And that was at a chain tire store. I wouldn't expect any different. But they do have great marketing... |
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On Jun 16, 8:35*am, George wrote:
On 6/15/2010 11:47 PM, Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 11:29 pm, *wrote: On Jun 15, 11:05 pm, *wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, wrote: *wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt& *water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? *The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. Not ALL cars (including the 3 that I own) have an internal water pump, Mr Know It All. BTW, a LOT of "garages" use ****ty aftermarket parts that won't last as long as the factory part anyway. Sure, only because lots of folks seemed to have totally embraced cheap instead of value. We use an evil mom & pop place and he will explicitly offer both the junky parts and the quality parts when quoting a repair. Case in point.......I had the right front wheel bearing replaced on my Honda at 85,000 miles, now 10,000 miles later, it is already failing. And that was at a chain tire store. I wouldn't expect any different. But they do have great marketing...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even a cheap chinese bearing will last a lot longer than that. It was not lubricated properly when installed. You should go back and tell them you want if done again, right, for free. |
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"Ron" wrote in message
... On Jun 15, 11:29 pm, Ron wrote: Case in point.......I had the right front wheel bearing replaced on my Honda at 85,000 miles, now 10,000 miles later, it is already failing. And that was at a chain tire store. ================== You let chain tire stores work on your car? That invalidates EVERYTHING you've said in this discussion, and everything you say in the future, unless you repent. |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:41:57 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
Current vehicle is a 98 avalon with 225,000 miles. It runs and drives as new. Ours is a year older and has about 185,000 on it. Still on original battery, alternator and exhaust. It goes through oil and power steering fluid quite quickly, and one of the rear power windows gave up (motor fault), but I can't really complain. cheers Jules |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:39 -0700, Ron wrote:
I can't even remember that last time I had a water pump fail....probably sometime in the early 80's on a Celia that had about 150K on it. I had one go on a Rover 216 (which had a Honda-built engine) at around 100k - I think it cost me about $60 for the pump and $40 for a new belt (made sense to do that while I was at it). Took me a couple of hours to do the work, so it wasn't too bad - the real pain was having it fail at work rather than home, so I had to get a tow from a friend. Oh, and I just checked the owners manuals for my Honda, Toyota, and Mazda...and there is ZIPPO about replacing the water pump. I don't think I'd expect that to be in the owner's manual; it's more of a factory manual kind of thing. On a lot of engines I've seen, the water pump runs at very high RPM, which is why they have a harder life than a lot of other engine components. They're not normally expensive, and it's usually trivial to do the work while the timing belt's being done anyway. Alternators, PAS pumps etc. don't stop the car from working and are easy to do without a significant amount of work, so they can just be replaced when they fail. cheers Jules |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:57:56 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Actually, I believe it's snowed here twice in recorded history, but you make a good point... :) ============ To make my point more interesting: Not keeping your car running well could make you dead for 6 months of the year around here. :-) :-) It'd be like that here (well, 4 months of the year anyway), if we didn't make sure we always had food, blankets etc. in the trunk during snow season. |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:59:02 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"failure just means a tow"? Maybe. Imagine suddenly NOT having engine power to maneuver around some sort of hazard. That could be fun. I've had it happen while passing once - it was a bit of a strange experience because there was so much wind noise (I had the roof down) that I couldn't hear the engine running anyway, so in the first instant it wasn't obvious what the fault was until I saw the tacho needle sitting at zero. Turned out to be a broken wire to the coil; I was back on the road within five minutes after a temporary fix. Fortunately there was a big enough gap behind the line of cars that I was passing at the time that I could tuck in behind them when the engine died and then park up off the roadside. cheers Jules |
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On Jun 16, 10:17*am, Jules Richardson
wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:27:32 -0700, wrote: My 1990 Dodge caraven with 3.0 engine served me well for about 450,000 miles. It was sad when I finally replaced it. My wife was just telling me yesterday how her mother used to have a Dodge Caravan until the transmission failed. She got it fixed, then it failed again. Then she replaced the whole vehicle... with another Dodge Caravan. The transmission failed up on that one, too - at which point she gave up and bought something else. cheers Jules I've had Caravans and Voyagers, 4 total, early to mid-80's vintage. They all had tranny issue's at one point or another. |
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On Jun 16, 10:08*am, Jules Richardson
wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:59:02 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "failure just means a tow"? Maybe. Imagine suddenly NOT having engine power to maneuver around some sort of hazard. That could be fun. I've had it happen while passing once - it was a bit of a strange experience because there was so much wind noise (I had the roof down) that I couldn't hear the engine running anyway, so in the first instant it wasn't obvious what the fault was until I saw the tacho needle sitting at zero. Turned out to be a broken wire to the coil; I was back on the road within five minutes after a temporary fix. Fortunately there was a big enough gap behind the line of cars that I was passing at the time that I could tuck in behind them when the engine died and then park up off the roadside. cheers Jules I had a 1980 Mustang that had a bad Computer Module. I'd be humming along at highway speeds and the car would just shut down. Boom! All gauges to zero. Slip her into neutral, re-start, and keep on cruising. I got so quick at it, I barely lost any speed. |
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On 6/15/2010 7:38 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. But aren't you supposed to purposely omit all of the details when asking a question so a 100 post thread of guesses can form? |
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In article ,
George wrote: But aren't you supposed to purposely omit all of the details when asking a question so a 100 post thread of guesses can form? Standard netiquette says that's Option 1. Option 2 is to provide completely irrelevant background info going back to 1962, so you end up with a rambling and disjointed 1500 word post that touches briefly on at least 17 issues, and preferably lacking a question mark anywhere. |
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On Jun 16, 12:33*pm, George wrote:
On 6/15/2010 7:38 PM, Tegger wrote: *wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. But aren't you supposed to purposely omit all of the details when asking a question so a 100 post thread of guesses can form?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ahh, but it appears that the point of my OP was missed. The vehicle info was *purposely* left out because the question, as per the subject line, was about the *Decision Process*, not about at what mileage the timing belt should be replaced in any given vehicle. Given that odds are the owner isn't going to keep the (any!) vehicle for the alleged life of 2 timing belts (220K) or even the "dealer life" (180K) why would he (or a mechanic) consider waiting any longer than the 90K suggested in the manual? It was about the logic behind deciding to delay the replacement and not about the life expectancy of the belt in any specific vehicle. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On Jun 16, 8:22*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 11:05 pm, aemeijers wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. =================== Everyone else in the discussion realized that we were talking about internal water pumps. Case closed. You don't have a case. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On Jun 16, 1:24*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
The vehicle info was *purposely* left out because the question, as per the subject line, was about the *Decision Process*, not about at what mileage the timing belt should be replaced in any given vehicle. But the decision process takes a different path depending on whether a failed belt causes damage or just leaves him stranded, which depends on the vehicle. I think leaving out the vehicle was based on underestimating the complexity of the question rather than wanting a complex decision tree as an answer. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On 6/16/2010 1:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:33 pm, wrote: On 6/15/2010 7:38 PM, Tegger wrote: wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. But aren't you supposed to purposely omit all of the details when asking a question so a 100 post thread of guesses can form?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ahh, but it appears that the point of my OP was missed. The vehicle info was *purposely* left out because the question, as per the subject line, was about the *Decision Process*, not about at what mileage the timing belt should be replaced in any given vehicle. So since you acknowledge you purposely left out key information how could you hope to get reasonable answers about the "decision process"? In what way would it have hurt to disclose the type of vehicle so the very pertinent info as to whether it was an interference engine or not? Given that odds are the owner isn't going to keep the (any!) vehicle for the alleged life of 2 timing belts (220K) or even the "dealer life" (180K) why would he (or a mechanic) consider waiting any longer than the 90K suggested in the manual? It was about the logic behind deciding to delay the replacement and not about the life expectancy of the belt in any specific vehicle. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On Jun 16, 2:51*pm, Larry Fishel wrote:
On Jun 16, 1:24*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote: The vehicle info was *purposely* left out because the question, as per the subject line, was about the *Decision Process*, not about at what mileage the timing belt should be replaced in any given vehicle. But the decision process takes a different path depending on whether a failed belt causes damage or just leaves him stranded, which depends on the vehicle. I think leaving out the vehicle was based on underestimating the complexity of the question rather than wanting a complex decision tree as an answer. Do you not think that the mechanics (plural) who said "wait" know whether or not the "failed belt causes damage or just leaves him stranded"? Assuming they took that into consideration and still said "wait", doesn't that bring it back to the "decision process" independent of the vehicle? |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On Jun 16, 3:30*pm, George wrote:
On 6/16/2010 1:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Jun 16, 12:33 pm, *wrote: On 6/15/2010 7:38 PM, Tegger wrote: * *wrote in news:6739e713-05c4-463b-a348- : Thoughts? Just one. And it's a question. Well, two questions. 1) WHAT KIND OF CAR IS THIS? 2) WHAT ENGINE HAS IT GOT Not all cars are the same. Not all engines are the same. Not all years of the same car and/or engine are the same. Leave out that info and all you'll get are possibly bogus guesses; shots in the dark. But aren't you supposed to purposely omit all of the details when asking a question so a 100 post thread of guesses can form?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ahh, but it appears that the point of my OP was missed. The vehicle info was *purposely* left out because the question, as per the subject line, was about the *Decision Process*, not about at what mileage the timing belt should be replaced in any given vehicle. So since you acknowledge you purposely left out key information how could you hope to get reasonable answers about the "decision process"? In what way would it have hurt to disclose the type of vehicle so the very pertinent info as to whether it was an interference engine or not? Given that odds are the owner isn't going to keep the (any!) vehicle for the alleged life of 2 timing belts (220K) or even the "dealer life" (180K) why would he (or a mechanic) consider waiting any longer than the 90K suggested in the manual? It was about the logic behind deciding to delay the replacement and not about the life expectancy of the belt in any specific vehicle.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - See my reply to Larry. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
"DerbyDad03" wrote Do you not think that the mechanics (plural) who said "wait" know whether or not the "failed belt causes damage or just leaves him stranded"? Assuming they took that into consideration and still said "wait", doesn't that bring it back to the "decision process" independent of the vehicle? One thing I've learned over the years, ASSume nothing. Lots of dumb people out there. |
OT - Decision Process: Replace Timing Belt Now or Wait?
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:47:35 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote: On Jun 15, 11:29Â*pm, Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 11:05Â*pm, aemeijers wrote: Ron wrote: On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 10:59 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Tell your friend to stop being a moron for a day and get the belt & water pump replaced. Yeah, and why he's at it, he should also get the AC compressor and the alternator replaced. (rolling eyes). ============ On what planet would the AC compressor make your **necessarily** car stop running? Â*The word "necessarily" eliminates mentioning the one exceptional condition under which it might happen, because that situation is avoidable by operating a switch. You obviously missed the point. No comment on the alternator? What about the power steering pump...should he get that replaced also? The whole concept of external vs. internal components hard for you to grasp? You replace water pump with the rubber band timing belt because the thing is apart anyway, and all you are paying for is the part. The stuff hung off the engine is much less labor to change, other than the evac/refill and pressure test on the A/C. Please point out to me where the OP said the car in question has a internal water pump driven by the timing belt, smartass. Not ALL cars (including the 3 that I own) have an internal water pump, Mr Know It All. BTW, a LOT of "garages" use ****ty aftermarket parts that won't last as long as the factory part anyway. Case in point.......I had the right front wheel bearing replaced on my Honda at 85,000 miles, now 10,000 miles later, it is already failing. And that was at a chain tire store. I can almost guarantee the problem was not the quality of the replacement part but the intelligence of the trained gorilla that installed it. Chain tire stores are NOT the place to have mechanical repairs performed. |
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