American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than aninch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

KOS wrote:
I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Take it out and reinstall it, with a fresh ring. Recommend using a
rubber one instead of wax- they are easier for inexperienced users. If
floor is level and flange is level, the likely cause is a bolt in
cockeyed, or the ring floated around and toilet is not sitting square on
the flange.

Worst case scenario- pay a plumber or handyman the 50 bucks to do it for
you, and watch and pay attention. If you don't want to get laughed at,
pull it and pretend you didn't install it wrong, but your back is acting
up and you can't lift it. (They are heavy, if tank and bowl are connected.)

--
aem sends...

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

"KOS" wrote in message
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I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

You said the floor is level but is that your eyeball telling you that or is
it what your level is telling you?

Generally speaking, the top of the bowl is parallel with the bottom of the
bowl so if the floor is level and the base of the bowl is sitting on the
floor then the top would have to be level.

You should be able to see really quick if the bottom of the bowl is not
flush against the floor.

Wax rings are cheap, so if you really want to get to the bottom of this
mystery of yours pull the toilet and check the floor for level. If that is
OK then without the wax ring installed set the toilet in place. (Taking the
tank off the bowl will make things much easier.) then check it for level.

Next if those tests are OK then reset the bowl on a new wax ring and recheck
for level.

If it passes that test then set the tank on the bowl and check that for
level.

Last step would be to put the lid on the tank and check that.


--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On May 11, 8:37*pm, KOS wrote:
I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. *The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Sometimes the tank is installed cock-eyed...check the level of the
bowl and remove the tank lid and check it for being level.

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

The toilet may settle down to the floor, through use. I'd
give it a day or two before doing anything drastic. Might be
too much wax on one side.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"KOS" wrote in message
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I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove
the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts
and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I
look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be
that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I
really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor
is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On May 12, 4:10*am, "Roger Shoaf" wrote:
"KOS" wrote in message

...

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. *The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

You said the floor is level but is that your eyeball telling you that or is
it what your level is telling you?

Generally speaking, the top of the bowl is parallel with the bottom of the
bowl so if the floor is level and the base of the bowl is sitting on the
floor then the top would have to be level.

You should be able to see really quick if the bottom of the bowl is not
flush against the floor.

Wax rings are cheap, so if you really want to get to the bottom of this
mystery of yours pull the toilet and check the floor for level. *If that is
OK then without the wax ring installed set the toilet in place. (Taking the
tank off the bowl will make things much easier.) then check it for level.

Next if those tests are OK then reset the bowl on a new wax ring and recheck
for level.



Last step would be to put the lid on the tank and check that.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

thanks for the reply..floor is level with a 'level' not eyeball.
toilet is not leveled with 'level'..I will do what you say.. I will
report what happens in a couple of days. thanks for all your help

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On May 11, 9:37*pm, KOS wrote:
I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. *The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

1. Wax rings are a standard size.
2. If the floor is level, it should be obvious that the toilet is not
sitting on the floor properly. Get down on your knees and LOOK for
gaps around the bottom.
3. You leveled the floor with a level. Why don't you level the toilet
with a level too? Level it at the seat, and at the top of the tank. If
it's level with a level, then the "lopsided" look is in your head.
4. Make sure the tank bolts are tightened evenly. You will see the
seat showing level, and the tank showing off level. That means you
didn't tighten the bolts to the tank evenly. Loosen the bolt on the
low side slightly, and tighten the bolt on the high side.

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

Stormin Mormon wrote:
The toilet may settle down to the floor, through use. I'd
give it a day or two before doing anything drastic. Might be
too much wax on one side.


And if it settles, snug up the bolts again.

Actually you can try loosening the bolt on the low side of the toilet.
They can go cockeyed if one side is tightened too much.

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

"KOS" wrote in message
...
I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Wax rings are a nuisance. I have used the Fernco waxless seals on both
toilets in my house.
Some times they are hard to find, but are so much better.

I ended up at Amazon. It all depends on your local area.

http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-FTS-3-F.../dp/B000BQUJEA

Charlie

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On Wed, 12 May 2010 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT), KOS
wrote:

floor is level with a 'level' not eyeball.
toilet is not leveled with 'level'..

If the flush throat on the bottom of the bowl is not seated in the wax
ring correctly, it would be lopsided. Pouring water down the bowl
would show up as a leak on the floor.

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On May 12, 11:49*am, "Charlie" wrote:
"KOS" wrote in message

...

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. *The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Wax rings are a nuisance. I have used the Fernco waxless seals on both
toilets in my house.
Some times they are hard to find, but are so much better.

I ended up at Amazon. It all depends on your local area.

http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-FTS-3-F.../dp/B000BQUJEA

Charlie

anyone who was following this thread--- I removed the toilet
completely- took a level and found the flange to be level 100%... The
floor too. I then set the toilet on the floor and found it to be
somewhat lopsided ... Bought a new wax ring, installed toilet and put
a shim under one side.. Took level and found it to be 100% level...
Flushed toilet and toilet began to leak on side of shim.... Removed
shim, flushed toilet, no leak... Toilet still lopsided.... Looks like
there is a defect in the "China" -

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

"KOS" wrote in message
...
On May 12, 11:49 am, "Charlie" wrote:
"KOS" wrote in message

...

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Wax rings are a nuisance. I have used the Fernco waxless seals on both
toilets in my house.
Some times they are hard to find, but are so much better.

I ended up at Amazon. It all depends on your local area.

http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-FTS-3-F.../dp/B000BQUJEA

Charlie

anyone who was following this thread--- I removed the toilet
completely- took a level and found the flange to be level 100%... The
floor too. I then set the toilet on the floor and found it to be
somewhat lopsided ... Bought a new wax ring, installed toilet and put
a shim under one side.. Took level and found it to be 100% level...
Flushed toilet and toilet began to leak on side of shim.... Removed
shim, flushed toilet, no leak... Toilet still lopsided.... Looks like
there is a defect in the "China" -

Bravo! Now you have a definite answer.

I would now contact the supply house and ask for a replacement bowl as yours
has a factory defect.

If they balk at this, then take your case to American Standard.

You don't want to mess with shims as the bowl is designed to sit flat on the
floor.


--
Roger Shoaf

If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message
...

"KOS" wrote in message
...
On May 12, 11:49 am, "Charlie" wrote:
"KOS" wrote in message

...

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Wax rings are a nuisance. I have used the Fernco waxless seals on both
toilets in my house.
Some times they are hard to find, but are so much better.

I ended up at Amazon. It all depends on your local area.

http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-FTS-3-F.../dp/B000BQUJEA

Charlie

anyone who was following this thread--- I removed the toilet
completely- took a level and found the flange to be level 100%... The
floor too. I then set the toilet on the floor and found it to be
somewhat lopsided ... Bought a new wax ring, installed toilet and put
a shim under one side.. Took level and found it to be 100% level...
Flushed toilet and toilet began to leak on side of shim.... Removed
shim, flushed toilet, no leak... Toilet still lopsided.... Looks like
there is a defect in the "China" -

Bravo! Now you have a definite answer.

I would now contact the supply house and ask for a replacement bowl as
yours
has a factory defect.

If they balk at this, then take your case to American Standard.

You don't want to mess with shims as the bowl is designed to sit flat on
the
floor.


--
Roger Shoaf

If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?



Interesting thread..I can't say I have ever heard of that problem in my
limited experience...Update us when you try a different bowl if you can....

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more thanan inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On May 12, 8:02*pm, "benick" wrote:
"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message

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"KOS" wrote in message
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On May 12, 11:49 am, "Charlie" wrote:
"KOS" wrote in message

....

I installed a new toilet and it looks lopsided. I did remove the old
wax ring with a putty knife.. I then put new johnny bolts and layed
the new wax ring. The bathroom floor is leveled. When I look at this
toilet it looks lopsided.. I want to fix this, Could it be that the
wax ring is a wrong size? and is hitting the johnny bolt?? I really
want to fix this any help would be great.. Again the floor is leveled
and my old toilet did not look lopsided

Wax rings are a nuisance. I have used the Fernco waxless seals on both
toilets in my house.
Some times they are hard to find, but are so much better.

I ended up at Amazon. It all depends on your local area.

http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-FTS-3-F.../dp/B000BQUJEA

Charlie

anyone who was following this thread--- I removed the toilet
completely- took a level and found the flange to be level 100%... The
floor too. *I then set the toilet on the floor and found it to be
somewhat lopsided ... Bought a new wax ring, installed toilet and put
a shim under one side.. Took level and found it to be 100% level...
Flushed toilet and toilet began to leak on side of shim.... Removed
shim, flushed toilet, no leak... Toilet still lopsided.... Looks like
there is a defect in the "China" -

Bravo! Now you have a definite answer.

I would now contact the supply house and ask for a replacement bowl as
yours
has a factory defect.

If they balk at this, then take your case to American Standard.

You don't want to mess with shims as the bowl is designed to sit flat on
the
floor.

--
Roger Shoaf

If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?

Interesting thread..I can't say I have ever heard of that problem in my
limited experience...Update us when you try a different bowl if you can.....- Hide quoted text -

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You now have the reason that wax rings are passe. The "fernco waxless
toilet seal" is the wave of the future. You can install it once, then
pull it and reinstall muultiple times withouth changing the seal.

I do not understand why people fool around with wax rings any more.

Harry K

American Standard Champion install problem- level off- more than an inch.. looks lopsided, why?
 

On Wed, 12 May 2010 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

You now have the reason that wax rings are passe. The "fernco waxless
toilet seal" is the wave of the future. You can install it once, then
pull it and reinstall muultiple times withouth changing the seal.

I agree the waxless is a better choice, however, I tried one and it
would not seat deep enough into the sewer pipe and rested about 2"
above the flange. The sewer pipe has a sweeping bend so the waxless
would only go so far into the pipe. I thought if they made one that
flexed, it would allow me to use it. I recall adjusting the thing as
short as possible (?), but no joy. Seems they where one size fits all.