ScienceDaily (Apr. 25, 2010) — Since 2007, every new U.S. passport has
been outfitted with a computer chip. Embedded in the back cover of the
passport, the "e-passport" contains biometric data, electronic
fingerprints and pictures of the holder, and a wireless radio
frequency identification (RFID) transmitter.

Tee hee.

Frankly, there is little or no justification to have this information on
most "ID" type documents.

A case could be made to not even have a picture on the document.

If an official wants the data he can quiry the "official" data base. All
the "ID" card would be is just a place to record the ID #.

A place so isolated that they don't have access to "high headquarters"
likely would not have the "chip reading" equipment.

A "smart card" that's just a replacement for ca$h and NOT a credit card
doesn't even require the technology.

On Apr 30, 5:59 am, "John Gilmer" wrote:
ScienceDaily (Apr. 25, 2010) — Since 2007, every new U.S. passport has

been outfitted with a computer chip. Embedded in the back cover of the
passport, the "e-passport" contains biometric data, electronic
fingerprints and pictures of the holder, and a wireless radio
frequency identification (RFID) transmitter.

Tee hee.

Frankly, there is little or no justification to have this information on
most "ID" type documents.

A case could be made to not even have a picture on the document.

If an official wants the data he can quiry the "official" data base. All
the "ID" card would be is just a place to record the ID #.

A place so isolated that they don't have access to "high headquarters"
likely would not have the "chip reading" equipment.

Not having a picture or basic physical info like gender, DOB, etc
would require ALL the worlds customs/immigration systems to be linked
and have access to each others passport database. Every last one
from Somalia to the USA. And aside from being difficult to achieve
agreement on, it could raise as many security questions as it fixes.



A "smart card" that's just a replacement for ca$h and NOT a credit card
doesn't even require the technology.

Doesn't require what technology? All the smart cards I've seen are
at least linked to a bank account. Even if you had a smart card
loaded up with $500 cash that you just bought, without some form of
security, why couldn't a hacker simply empty it?

On Apr 30, 12:07*pm, wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:59 am, "John Gilmer" wrote:





ScienceDaily (Apr. 25, 2010) — Since 2007, every new U.S. passport has

been outfitted with a computer chip. Embedded in the back cover of the
passport, the "e-passport" contains biometric data, electronic
fingerprints and pictures of the holder, and a wireless radio
frequency identification (RFID) transmitter.

Tee hee.

Frankly, there is little or no justification to have this information on
most "ID" type documents.

A case could be made to not even have a picture on the document.

If an official wants the data he can query the "official" data base. * *All
the "ID" card would be is just a place to record the ID #.

A place so isolated that they don't have access to "high headquarters"
likely would not have the "chip reading" equipment.

Not having a picture or basic physical info like gender, DOB, etc
would require ALL the worlds customs/immigration systems to be linked
and have access to each others passport database. * * Every last one
from Somalia to the USA. * And aside from being difficult to achieve
agreement on, it could raise as many security questions as it fixes.



A "smart card" that's just a replacement for ca$h and NOT a credit card
doesn't even require the technology.

Doesn't require what technology? * All the smart cards I've seen are
at least linked to a bank account. *Even if you had a smart card
loaded up with $500 cash that you just bought, without some form of
security, why couldn't a hacker simply empty it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Amazing isn't it that with all this technology a major country can't
devise a proper voting system; without hanging chads etc. etc. and
innumerable court appeals!

Some countries do an excellent job using nothing more than paper and
pencil! And even using technology, India a country with four time the
population of the USA and many semi-literate people, managed to run a
good election a few years ago. After all most people understand
pictures and can press a button.

All these multiple choice systems just complicate the problem. Better
to pick one party/candidate; have done with and live with the
consequences. Big business lobbyists probably run the US government
anyway!

i.e. Don't get Cheneyed eh?

On Apr 30, 10:33 am, terry wrote:
On Apr 30, 12:07 pm, wrote:



On Apr 30, 5:59 am, "John Gilmer" wrote:

ScienceDaily (Apr. 25, 2010) — Since 2007, every new U.S. passport has

been outfitted with a computer chip. Embedded in the back cover of the
passport, the "e-passport" contains biometric data, electronic
fingerprints and pictures of the holder, and a wireless radio
frequency identification (RFID) transmitter.

Tee hee.

Frankly, there is little or no justification to have this information on
most "ID" type documents.

A case could be made to not even have a picture on the document.

If an official wants the data he can query the "official" data base. All
the "ID" card would be is just a place to record the ID #.

A place so isolated that they don't have access to "high headquarters"
likely would not have the "chip reading" equipment.

Not having a picture or basic physical info like gender, DOB, etc
would require ALL the worlds customs/immigration systems to be linked
and have access to each others passport database. Every last one
from Somalia to the USA. And aside from being difficult to achieve
agreement on, it could raise as many security questions as it fixes.

A "smart card" that's just a replacement for ca$h and NOT a credit card
doesn't even require the technology.

Doesn't require what technology? All the smart cards I've seen are
at least linked to a bank account. Even if you had a smart card
loaded up with $500 cash that you just bought, without some form of
security, why couldn't a hacker simply empty it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Amazing isn't it that with all this technology a major country can't
devise a proper voting system; without hanging chads etc. etc. and
innumerable court appeals!

Some countries do an excellent job using nothing more than paper and
pencil! And even using technology, India a country with four time the
population of the USA and many semi-literate people, managed to run a
good election a few years ago. After all most people understand
pictures and can press a button.

I'd say the USA is among the best in the world when it comes to
running elections. It's just that some people don't like the outcome
and hence it's not a "good" election and they won't accept the
outcome. You can't tell me that voter fraud, discrepancies and
contested elections don't happen in places like India:

http://www.keralamonitor.com/electronicvoting.html

Note, I'm not saying there was or wasn't fraud, rigging, etc. in
India. Just that the same concerns with any of the various forms of
voting exist worldwide. Curious that you would take a jaundiced view
of US elections versus those in India. One can only imagine how much
easier it is to game an election system in a country with a huge
illiteracy rate.



All these multiple choice systems just complicate the problem. Better
to pick one party/candidate; have done with and live with the
consequences. Big business lobbyists probably run the US government
anyway!

i.e. Don't get Cheneyed eh?