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Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record
every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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I'd like some evidence of this, please.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "LSMFT" wrote in message ... Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd like some evidence of this, please. Watch Last night's CBS evening news with Katie. -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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LSMFT wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: I'd like some evidence of this, please. Watch Last night's CBS evening news with Katie. Yeah, now there's an objective, unbiased source... |
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LSMFT wrote the following:
Stormin Mormon wrote: I'd like some evidence of this, please. Watch Last night's CBS evening news with Katie. Oh, Damn. My time machine is in the shop. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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willshak wrote the following:
LSMFT wrote the following: Stormin Mormon wrote: I'd like some evidence of this, please. Watch Last night's CBS evening news with Katie. Oh, Damn. My time machine is in the shop. My backup time machine got the info. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...eaturedPost-PE -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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I don't have TV, and rather don't miss it either.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "LSMFT" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: I'd like some evidence of this, please. Watch Last night's CBS evening news with Katie. -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... I'd like some evidence of this, please. Dude, it's in writing and it's on the internet -- what more do you want? And just think how many images of office workers buns have been stored for posterity. "LSMFT" wrote in message ... Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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On 4/19/2010 7:05 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? So what part is news? High speed copiers need lots of memory to do what they do. Not sure why 2002 was cited as some magical date as to when when it started. |
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On Apr 19, 7:05*pm, LSMFT wrote:
Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... Another urban myth... They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... If the machines were set up to be able to do this the data would have to be "harvested" frequently to prevent overwriting of the stored images... If corporations feel that this is a possible risk, then like any other computer device they should remove the hard drive and physically shred it in a machine which is capable of destroying small metal parts prior to abandoning the machines to non-corporate agents... ~~ Evan |
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That sounds gosh awful expensive to put that much memory and
drive into copiers. After all, there is price competition. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "LSMFT" wrote in message ... wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... Of course they do. A typical B/W copier image might only be 40-50kb, that is 100 gig for 2 million pictures. I do agree they probably don't store that many and that work area does get rewritten but that just means the data miner is only getting the most recent thousand images or so. That could still be troubling if a significant number were customer records and internal business documents. What's fascinating it that nobody knows they have hard drives.They all assume they all had ram memory as in the past that goes away when powered down. I'm sure if they knew, the IS departments would have wiped the drives. Instead, thousands or millions of used copiers are sitting in warehouses that resell them world wide. You would think that would trigger a homeland security alert and a freeze on them. I ain't heard diddly squat about it. -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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On 4/20/2010 5:05 PM, LSMFT wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... Of course they do. A typical B/W copier image might only be 40-50kb, that is 100 gig for 2 million pictures. I do agree they probably don't store that many and that work area does get rewritten but that just means the data miner is only getting the most recent thousand images or so. That could still be troubling if a significant number were customer records and internal business documents. What's fascinating it that nobody knows they have hard drives.They all assume they all had ram memory as in the past that goes away when powered down. I'm sure if they knew, the IS departments would have wiped the drives. Instead, thousands or millions of used copiers are sitting in warehouses that resell them world wide. You would think that would trigger a homeland security alert and a freeze on them. I ain't heard diddly squat about it. Lots of people know that anything beyond basic copiers have hard drives (also true of large volume printers). Its just that lots of organizations are run shall we say on the cheap side and really aren't that concerned about security. |
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On Apr 20, 5:46*pm, me wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: Another urban myth... *They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... *If the machines were set up to be able to do this the data would have to be "harvested" frequently to prevent overwriting of the stored images... Well, do the calculations on how many images you can store on a terabyte. Admittedly, the drive is probably transitional and somewhat smaller, but with the capabilities being added to networked office machines, they will be ever expanding. Do the calculations -- Terabyte drives are REALLY new... The copying machines in question are older and awaiting resale after a company has retired them... Not to mention, consider the hacking opportunity for a networked copy machine. I doubt the security is anything to write home about... employees could probably easily hack internal corporate copiers with little difficulty and do regular downloads of materials. LOL... 90% of all the companies out there that have more than a few dozen employees track EVERYTHING that a user does on their computer at the office... That would include "hacking attempts" and how many files and how much bandwidth a user uses during their time on the network... If corporations feel that this is a possible risk, then like any other computer device they should remove the hard drive and physically shred it in a machine which is capable of destroying small metal parts prior to abandoning the machines to non-corporate agents... I have a device like that I use when disposing of old drives (which I have some unjustifiable habit of holding on to when they retire, then disposing of them when they become seriously obsolete): It's the 2 lb sledge. Does a good job. Sometimes I unscrew the drive covers and just attack the platters, some days I just keep banging until the hammer does it for me. A sledge hammer ? Needlessly dangerous... And you would not destroy thousands of hard drives in that manner in any productive time period... They make industrial shredding machines that will shred just about anything put into them, computer drives, documents still inside binders... They are cool to see in action... ~~ Evan |
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Evan wrote:
On Apr 20, 5:46 pm, me wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: Another urban myth... They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... If the machines were set up to be able to do this the data would have to be "harvested" frequently to prevent overwriting of the stored images... Well, do the calculations on how many images you can store on a terabyte. Admittedly, the drive is probably transitional and somewhat smaller, but with the capabilities being added to networked office machines, they will be ever expanding. Do the calculations -- Terabyte drives are REALLY new... The copying machines in question are older and awaiting resale after a company has retired them... Not to mention, consider the hacking opportunity for a networked copy machine. I doubt the security is anything to write home about... employees could probably easily hack internal corporate copiers with little difficulty and do regular downloads of materials. LOL... 90% of all the companies out there that have more than a few dozen employees track EVERYTHING that a user does on their computer at the office... That would include "hacking attempts" and how many files and how much bandwidth a user uses during their time on the network... If corporations feel that this is a possible risk, then like any other computer device they should remove the hard drive and physically shred it in a machine which is capable of destroying small metal parts prior to abandoning the machines to non-corporate agents... I have a device like that I use when disposing of old drives (which I have some unjustifiable habit of holding on to when they retire, then disposing of them when they become seriously obsolete): It's the 2 lb sledge. Does a good job. Sometimes I unscrew the drive covers and just attack the platters, some days I just keep banging until the hammer does it for me. A sledge hammer ? Needlessly dangerous... And you would not destroy thousands of hard drives in that manner in any productive time period... They make industrial shredding machines that will shred just about anything put into them, computer drives, documents still inside binders... They are cool to see in action... ~~ Evan A waste of resources and hardware. There is a public-domain script out there which calls a firmware routine built into most recent IDE/SATA drives, and non-destrutively clears the data table for them. Nobody short of a first-tier forensics company or NSA could recover them. The process is approved for sanitizing up to 'secret' level drives. And it is QUICK, unlike software-based wipe routines. A minute or two per drive. The 'when in doubt, destroy' reflex is a sin, IMHO. -- aem sends... |
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aemeijers wrote:
Evan wrote: On Apr 20, 5:46 pm, me wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: Another urban myth... They don't make hard drives which could store every image copied by a copier -- just no way to store the data for 2 million copies on one hard drive... If the machines were set up to be able to do this the data would have to be "harvested" frequently to prevent overwriting of the stored images... Well, do the calculations on how many images you can store on a terabyte. Admittedly, the drive is probably transitional and somewhat smaller, but with the capabilities being added to networked office machines, they will be ever expanding. Do the calculations -- Terabyte drives are REALLY new... The copying machines in question are older and awaiting resale after a company has retired them... Not to mention, consider the hacking opportunity for a networked copy machine. I doubt the security is anything to write home about... employees could probably easily hack internal corporate copiers with little difficulty and do regular downloads of materials. LOL... 90% of all the companies out there that have more than a few dozen employees track EVERYTHING that a user does on their computer at the office... That would include "hacking attempts" and how many files and how much bandwidth a user uses during their time on the network... If corporations feel that this is a possible risk, then like any other computer device they should remove the hard drive and physically shred it in a machine which is capable of destroying small metal parts prior to abandoning the machines to non-corporate agents... I have a device like that I use when disposing of old drives (which I have some unjustifiable habit of holding on to when they retire, then disposing of them when they become seriously obsolete): It's the 2 lb sledge. Does a good job. Sometimes I unscrew the drive covers and just attack the platters, some days I just keep banging until the hammer does it for me. A sledge hammer ? Needlessly dangerous... And you would not destroy thousands of hard drives in that manner in any productive time period... They make industrial shredding machines that will shred just about anything put into them, computer drives, documents still inside binders... They are cool to see in action... ~~ Evan A waste of resources and hardware. There is a public-domain script out there which calls a firmware routine built into most recent IDE/SATA drives, and non-destrutively clears the data table for them. Nobody short of a first-tier forensics company or NSA could recover them. The process is approved for sanitizing up to 'secret' level drives. And it is QUICK, unlike software-based wipe routines. A minute or two per drive. The 'when in doubt, destroy' reflex is a sin, IMHO. I use "Active Kill Disk Hard Drive Eraser" available he http://download.cnet.com/Active-Kill...-10188745.html http://tinyurl.com/amhwg9 TDD |
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On 4/21/2010 3:27 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I use "Active Kill Disk Hard Drive Eraser" available he http://download.cnet.com/Active-Kill...-10188745.html http://tinyurl.com/amhwg9 TDD This product works, every time, and is excellent for stress relief: http://www.gardenerstoolshed.com/med...ni_maul_lg.jpg You don't have to use it for security only. If a device fails, becomes outdated, is just plain annoying, or if you've got the need for some true anger management and don't give a rip about destroying a moderately useful item, the MM is your tool. |
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Some windows programs allow for a drive reformat, which
allows you to pass the drives along to charity, or ohter users. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "me" wrote in message ... I have a device like that I use when disposing of old drives (which I have some unjustifiable habit of holding on to when they retire, then disposing of them when they become seriously obsolete): It's the 2 lb sledge. Does a good job. Sometimes I unscrew the drive covers and just attack the platters, some days I just keep banging until the hammer does it for me. |
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On Apr 20, 7:48*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Some windows programs allow for a drive reformat, which allows you to pass the drives along to charity, or ohter users. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org I hate to burst your bubble but if it is something that windows can do and someone has not yet tried to reuse the drive there are a multitude of programs out there that can *easily* undo it... ~~ Evan |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:50:45 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote: On Apr 20, 7:48Â*pm, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Some windows programs allow for a drive reformat, which allows you to pass the drives along to charity, or ohter users. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus Â*www.lds.org I hate to burst your bubble but if it is something that windows can do and someone has not yet tried to reuse the drive there are a multitude of programs out there that can *easily* undo it... ~~ Evan Not t rue. There are many ways under WinDoze to scrub a drive to military/Government security specs. - which means there is NOTHING recoverable on the drive - period. |
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On Apr 19, 7:05*pm, LSMFT wrote:
Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... (1) This is not bunk or an urban legend if CBS actually bought random copiers, ran the recovery program on the drives, and presented evidence of what they found. (2) I think what many are forgetting here is that these storage drives are INSIDE a photocopier or network printer, and are not accessible by standard means unless one physically pulls the drive out of the unit and cobbles some way of installing it into a PC (or Mac, to be platform agnostic). (3) Any reasonable data recovery program can recover more data than there is space on a drive. For example, when I had a 128MB compact flash card "go out" in the 118° heat of Phoenix in the Summer (why, oh, why did we go to Taliesin West in July?!?) my brother-in-law's copy of Easy Recovery Pro found more than 300MB of recoverable data. Yes, 2-1/2 times more data than the card's capacity. So if someone were to run that sort of software on a copier drive, they could recover many, many images that had been overwritten. Food for thought for all of us... |
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LSMFT typed: Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? Yes, it is. Why? |
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LSMFT wrote:
Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? Never mind. They put a large cover up on it. Pretend it's not true. -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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LSMFT wrote:
Apparently photocopy machines since 2002 have hard drives that record every document that is copied. Now there are warehouses full of used copiers from banks, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors offices, lawyers offices, police departments, government offices full of documents scanned, printed or faxed by these organizations. They are being sold to people in foreign countries all over the world as we speak. Is your data secure? Never mind,they decided to cover it up. -- LSMFT I'm trying to think but nothing happens......... |
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