On Mar 27, 3:21*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RonB wrote:

You missed the point. *I uninstalled Norton 6 months ago when we
bought the machine. *They intruded, installed themselves and started
scanning, uninvited, this morning.

We use Mcafee and a couple of others. *Never them again.

First, are you sure it's Norton?

Second, uninstalling Norton is insufficient. You must use their
sooper-sekret removal tool available only from their website. Then you must
scan your registry for all mention of "Norton" or "Symantec." Then you have
to delete - often only in Safe Mode - all of the directories and folders
Norton set up.

Only then can you be 85% sure you've "removed" Norton.

Remember, Norton did not get its moniker of "Barnacle of the Software World"
for nothing; it is a bitch to remove. Norton is a memory hog and uses as
much as 15% of your CPU cycles.

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

On Mar 27, 7:07*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?



2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one.

Nero.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 27, 7:07Â*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?



2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one.

Nero.
No problem ever removing Nero from anything I've worked on. And
there's been a LOT of Nero, on a LOT of machines.

On Mar 28, 6:42*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:



On Mar 27, 7:07*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?

2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one..

Nero.

*No problem ever removing Nero from anything I've worked on. And
there's been a LOT of Nero, on a LOT of machines.

Well, that's you. They make a removal tool for a reason.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search & Destroy". I'm happy the price was right :-/

On Mar 28, 7:08*pm, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. *I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search & Destroy". *I'm happy the price was right :-/

I run SuperAntiSpware along with Malwarebytes.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 28, 7:08*pm, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. *I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search & Destroy". *I'm happy the price was right :-/

I run SuperAntiSpware along with Malwarebytes.

I just went and put SuperAntiSpyware on this machine. It runs right
along side of Spybot - Search & Destroy. No concerns, both are loaded
at boot. I am impressed it found old stuff on a secondary (storage)
drive. Spybot - Search & Destroy only finds stuff on the primary
drive?

I like it, thanks. Oh, the price was right :-/

Might even remove Spybot - Search & Destroy in a few days..

"RonB" wrote in message
...
On Mar 28, 12:07 am, "DGDevin" wrote:


I too remember when Norton was a great brand, I used Norton Utilities
often.
But they've been a disaster area for years, I've seen anti-virus forums
recommend *not* using Norton or McAfee security software. Norton has been
trying to clean up lately since their reputation and probably their market
share was declining. But with lots of good security software available
(some of it for free) why pay for a product with a reputation as poor as
Norton's?

I guess that is what I was getting at when I originally posted. Peter
Norton started a good company that set standards for protection. I
don't know if Peter is still alive but if not, his grave-site is
probably a pretty noisy place.

RonB

+++++++

I got disgusted with Norton's overseas customer service long ago. My problem
was getting NAV running again when a machine would go down, and there always
seemed to be some problem with renewal. Now, for my home machines, I've been
using the free Avast home version. No problems so far and I've been using it
for over a year. I still scan with Webroot and Spybot periodically too.
Everything is free and seems to work well. When I got my last machine it
came with NAV and the first thing I did was go to Norton's site and get the
removal program,

On 3/28/2010 7:08 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search& Destroy". I'm happy the price was right :-/

I duuno Oren. I just (15 minutes ago) installed Avira 10 free over Avira 9 free
without any warnings, special settings, or problems. I think you did too much.
The Avira web site indicates that you can install 10 over 9 and your settings
in 9 will be retained (and mine were).

Ron wrote:
On Mar 27, 7:07 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?



2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just
one.

Nero.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

On a completely separate matter, who in their right mind uses piece-of-****
Nero?

I mean, considering that free, equivalent programs exist that don't require
special removal tools.

In
,
Ron typed:
On Mar 27, 10:06 am, ransley wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:42 am, RonB wrote:

I remember when Norton was considered top of line
security software. I turned the machine on this morning
and I had a new Norton security icon on the desktop. I
go to the start menu and uninstall the uninvited
software. Five minutes later, Norton is starting a
security scan with no minimize or close buttons on the
window. This time I uninstalled from control panel.

Apparently they don't care if I'm upset. The attempt to
send feedback through their site would not send.

Needless to say they are off of my shopping list.

RonB

Norton does removal and all its work for me without my
need to interfeer, its all in how you have your settings,
many times a day Norton is removing or blocking my
computer automaticly, it is a #1 product but you need to
set it up the way you want it to work, you havnt, so dont
knock it.

Number 1 according to who? I think you better go read some
reviews. And I mean real reviews, not ones from magazines
that advertise their product.

Yes. YOU should read some current reviews.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:04:45 -0400, Peter wrote:

On 3/28/2010 7:08 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

There are MUCH better solutions available. Avast and, to a lesser degree,
AVG come to mind. Microsoft's Security Essentials, also free, has gotten
excellent reviews.

Avira 10 free along with Malwarebytes - Antimalware

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search& Destroy". I'm happy the price was right :-/

I duuno Oren. I just (15 minutes ago) installed Avira 10 free over Avira 9 free
without any warnings, special settings, or problems. I think you did too much.
The Avira web site indicates that you can install 10 over 9 and your settings
in 9 will be retained (and mine were).

After I removed v.9 and installed v.10 it worked fine. My OS is
Windows 2000.

Not from the Readme file:

"When attempting to update, users who have a previously installed ANSI
version of the Avira AntiVir Personal software package on a Microsoft
Windows 2000 or Microsoft Windows XP operating system receive an
update message.

To perform an update, proceed as follows:

1. Uninstall the installed version of Avira AntiVir Personal.
2. Download an up-to-date software package from the download area of
the Avira AntiVir Personal website at
http://www.avira.com/personal-download.
3. Install this software package on your computer."

All is well :-)

On Mar 29, 2:20*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
,
Ron typed:



On Mar 27, 10:06 am, ransley wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:42 am, RonB wrote:

I remember when Norton was considered top of line
security software. I turned the machine on this morning
and I had a new Norton security icon on the desktop. *I
go to the start menu and uninstall the uninvited
software. *Five minutes later, Norton is starting a
security scan with no minimize or close buttons on the
window. *This time I uninstalled from control panel.

Apparently they don't care if I'm upset. *The attempt to
send feedback through their site would not send.

Needless to say they are off of my shopping list.

RonB

Norton does removal and all its work for me without my
need to interfeer, its all in how you have your settings,
many times a day Norton is removing or blocking my
computer automaticly, it is a #1 product but you need to
set it up the way you want it to work, you havnt, so dont
knock it.

Number 1 according to who? I think you better go read some
reviews. And I mean real reviews, not ones from magazines
that advertise their product.

Yes. YOU should read some current reviews.

I have. See "World Bench Test" page 13.

http://www.av-comparatives.org/image...ance_dec09.pdf

On 3/29/2010 3:36 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On 3/28/2010 7:08 PM, Oren wrote:

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search& Destroy". I'm happy the price was right :-/

I duuno Oren. I just (15 minutes ago) installed Avira 10 free over Avira 9 free
without any warnings, special settings, or problems. I think you did too much.
The Avira web site indicates that you can install 10 over 9 and your settings
in 9 will be retained (and mine were).

After I removed v.9 and installed v.10 it worked fine. My OS is
Windows 2000.

Not from the Readme file:

"When attempting to update, users who have a previously installed ANSI
version of the Avira AntiVir Personal software package on a Microsoft
Windows 2000 or Microsoft Windows XP operating system receive an
update message.

To perform an update, proceed as follows:

1. Uninstall the installed version of Avira AntiVir Personal.
2. Download an up-to-date software package from the download area of
the Avira AntiVir Personal website at
http://www.avira.com/personal-download.
3. Install this software package on your computer."

All is well :-)

Some inconsistencies exist on the Avira web site. From the Forum, a sticky
message from Stefan Berka, Avira's own administrator:
"Hello, The new Avira AntiVir version 10 is available for download now.

* Avira Premium Security Suite, version 10.0.0.536 | User Manual
* Avira AntiVir Premium, version 10.0.0.597 | User Manual
* Avira Personal Free AV, version 10.0.0.561 | User Manual

The installation files are available at our website www.avira.com and
www.free-av.com for AntiVir Personal Free. The existing version 9 has not to be
uninstalled before because the new version upgrade the existing installation
itself and import the existing configuration and license file."

Go figure!

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 28, 6:42Â*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:



On Mar 27, 7:07Â*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?

2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one.

Nero.

Â*No problem ever removing Nero from anything I've worked on. And
there's been a LOT of Nero, on a LOT of machines.

Well, that's you. They make a removal tool for a reason.
I guess I've never tried to remove a current version to replace it
with an older version - I generally upgrade rather than downgrade. I
also use a registry cleaner when Ichange configurations, so it has
never been an issue for me. Could also be a VISTA thing???

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:20:09 -0400, "Twayne"
wrote:

In
,
Ron typed:
On Mar 27, 10:06 am, ransley wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:42 am, RonB wrote:

I remember when Norton was considered top of line
security software. I turned the machine on this morning
and I had a new Norton security icon on the desktop. I
go to the start menu and uninstall the uninvited
software. Five minutes later, Norton is starting a
security scan with no minimize or close buttons on the
window. This time I uninstalled from control panel.

Apparently they don't care if I'm upset. The attempt to
send feedback through their site would not send.

Needless to say they are off of my shopping list.

RonB

Norton does removal and all its work for me without my
need to interfeer, its all in how you have your settings,
many times a day Norton is removing or blocking my
computer automaticly, it is a #1 product but you need to
set it up the way you want it to work, you havnt, so dont
knock it.

Number 1 according to who? I think you better go read some
reviews. And I mean real reviews, not ones from magazines
that advertise their product.

Yes. YOU should read some current reviews.

Norton - either you swear BY it , or you swear AT it. There is no
middle ground.

On Mar 30, 11:24*am, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:



On Mar 28, 6:42*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 27, 7:07*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?

2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one.

Nero.

*No problem ever removing Nero from anything I've worked on. And
there's been a LOT of Nero, on a LOT of machines.

Well, that's you. They make a removal tool for a reason.

*I guess I've never tried to remove a current version to replace it
with an older version - I generally upgrade rather than downgrade. I
also use a registry cleaner when I change configurations, so it has
never been an issue for me. Could also be a VISTA thing???

I had Nero 7 on a machine with W2K, and I could not install Nero 8
(might have been 9) until I used the removal / cleaning tool.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 30, 11:24Â*am, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:



On Mar 28, 6:42Â*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Mar 27, 7:07Â*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Twayne wrote:

1. You are wrong. What you alledge did not happen as you
describe it.

Okay, what DID happen?

2. Without using their removal tool Norton is not completely
removed; same for many other programs, too. You'd know that if
you'd read the docs supplied with it.

Name one other program that requires a download to remove it. Just one.

Nero.

Â*No problem ever removing Nero from anything I've worked on. And
there's been a LOT of Nero, on a LOT of machines.

Well, that's you. They make a removal tool for a reason.

Â*I guess I've never tried to remove a current version to replace it
with an older version - I generally upgrade rather than downgrade. I
also use a registry cleaner when I change configurations, so it has
never been an issue for me. Could also be a VISTA thing???

I had Nero 7 on a machine with W2K, and I could not install Nero 8
(might have been 9) until I used the removal / cleaning tool.
I'm just about 100% XP Pro and OEM nero. If I change drives and get
an updated oem nero with the drive I've never had a problem installing
it.

On 27/03/10 6:42 AM, RonB wrote:
I remember when Norton was considered top of line security software.
I turned the machine on this morning and I had a new Norton security
icon on the desktop. I go to the start menu and uninstall the
uninvited software. Five minutes later, Norton is starting a security
scan with no minimize or close buttons on the window. This time I
uninstalled from control panel.

Apparently they don't care if I'm upset. The attempt to send feedback
through their site would not send.

Needless to say they are off of my shopping list.

Norton is not actually an anti-virus/anti-malware product anymore. It's
now it's its own virus and malware that is very difficult to get rid of
completely. It differs from other viruses and malware in that you have
to pay for it.

Use AVAST for anti-virus, and Malwarebytes for malware. AVAST is free
while Malwarebytes costs money for the version that is constantly
checking for threats (though the free version is fine too).

I remember my mother calling me when she was having a terrible time with
Norton. She wanted me to go over to the company headquarters which was
about three blocks from my house to talk to them. I had to gently
explain that there was almost certainly no Symantec employee in the U.S.
that could address her problem.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:56:37 -0400, Peter wrote:

On 3/29/2010 3:36 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On 3/28/2010 7:08 PM, Oren wrote:

For Avira 10 free, I had to remove version 9. I download the file,
ran the setup and checked for updates - up to date? Until I removed
version 9, version 10 looked like in went on and installed. All is
well.

Besides my running free Avira and Malwarebtes, I also run the free
"Spybot - Search& Destroy". I'm happy the price was right :-/

I duuno Oren. I just (15 minutes ago) installed Avira 10 free over Avira 9 free
without any warnings, special settings, or problems. I think you did too much.
The Avira web site indicates that you can install 10 over 9 and your settings
in 9 will be retained (and mine were).

After I removed v.9 and installed v.10 it worked fine. My OS is
Windows 2000.

Not from the Readme file:

"When attempting to update, users who have a previously installed ANSI
version of the Avira AntiVir Personal software package on a Microsoft
Windows 2000 or Microsoft Windows XP operating system receive an
update message.

To perform an update, proceed as follows:

1. Uninstall the installed version of Avira AntiVir Personal.
2. Download an up-to-date software package from the download area of
the Avira AntiVir Personal website at
http://www.avira.com/personal-download.
3. Install this software package on your computer."

All is well :-)

Some inconsistencies exist on the Avira web site. From the Forum, a sticky
message from Stefan Berka, Avira's own administrator:
"Hello, The new Avira AntiVir version 10 is available for download now.

* Avira Premium Security Suite, version 10.0.0.536 | User Manual
* Avira AntiVir Premium, version 10.0.0.597 | User Manual
* Avira Personal Free AV, version 10.0.0.561 | User Manual

The installation files are available at our website www.avira.com and
www.free-av.com for AntiVir Personal Free. The existing version 9 has not to be
uninstalled before because the new version upgrade the existing installation
itself and import the existing configuration and license file."

Go figure!

It has to be the OS. W2k/Pro, XP/Pro requires the uninstall. Open your
Help/Readme file in v.10. I'm sure v.10 will go on the bride's
Vista, without a removal.

(Traces of MS DOS in my W2K OS?)

No worries...