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When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not
stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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willshak wrote in
m: When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. IMO,if only manual transmissions were allowed(except for handicapped),then there would be a lot fewer morons on the roads. No left-foot brakers,either. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Jim Yanik wrote the following:
willshak wrote in m: When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. IMO,if only manual transmissions were allowed(except for handicapped),then there would be a lot fewer morons on the roads. No left-foot brakers,either. Everyone should have to take a class before they can drive a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Maybe that will cut down on the number of 4 wheel drive vehicles that pass you at high speeds on snow covered roads as you struggle to keep going, and then you pass them as they lie off the side of the road with various sides of the vehicle showing. Just because they can go faster in inclement weather, they don't steer or brake any better than a 2 wheel drive vehicle. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Mar 12, 1:42*pm, willshak wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote the following: willshak wrote in om: When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. IMO,if only manual transmissions were allowed(except for handicapped),then there would be a lot fewer morons on the roads. No left-foot brakers,either. Everyone should have to take a class before they can drive a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Maybe that will cut down on the number of 4 wheel drive vehicles that pass you at high speeds on snow covered roads as you struggle to keep going, and then you pass them as they lie off the side of the road with various sides of the vehicle showing. Just because they can go faster in inclement weather, they don't steer or brake any better than a 2 wheel drive vehicle. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - An experienced and locally well known police officer on highway patrol was regularly contacted by the host of one of our morning shows for a road report, traffic/weather conditions etc. ..... On one occasion, after providing comments, the officer was asked "And where will you be heading now?". His reply was a classic, "I think I'll head back towards the city and see how many SUVs have gone off the road!". No other comment needed! |
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Sadly, I'm qualified. Having killed the front gearbox on my
first 4WD, in total ignorance. The two times I spun out and went into the ditch. One was going uphill in what I thought was 4wd. Someone flew past me, and so I said "Oh, I can go faster". touched the gas, and spun out. Second moment, on my second 4wd vehicle. but I was in 2wd. Same deal. Going slowly uphill on icy road. Someone flew past me and I said ..... touched the gas, and spun out. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "willshak" wrote in message m... Everyone should have to take a class before they can drive a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Maybe that will cut down on the number of 4 wheel drive vehicles that pass you at high speeds on snow covered roads as you struggle to keep going, and then you pass them as they lie off the side of the road with various sides of the vehicle showing. Just because they can go faster in inclement weather, they don't steer or brake any better than a 2 wheel drive vehicle. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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I've snapped a clutch cable at least twice that I can
remember. Managed to get home by starting the car in neutral. Push the car till it's barely rolling. Cram the shift into first, and put the flashers on. Get up around 10 MPH, and shift to second. It's not fun, but it beats walking. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "willshak" wrote in message m... When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
No left-foot brakers,either. There's nothing basically wrong with left foot braking, I've done it all my driving career, at least with automatics. It has the advantage of allowing you to "cover" the brake pedal in circumstances where you might need to break. By putting your left foot *above* the brake pedal, you reduce reaction time. There is a problem when someone confuses the brake pedal with a foot rest and puts their foot *on* the brake pedal while driving. No, I don't get confused when I drive manuals. I use right foot braking then. Don't even think about it. -- Doug |
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On 3/12/10 5:53 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've snapped a clutch cable at least twice that I can remember. Managed to get home by starting the car in neutral. Push the car till it's barely rolling. Cram the shift into first, and put the flashers on. Get up around 10 MPH, and shift to second. It's not fun, but it beats walking. I was riding in my brothers Datsun 510 and his gearbox got stuck in 4th. I probably push the car rolling and jumped in around 50 times as we limped it to a family friend's garage 25km away. If I remember correctly it was just a faulty pin. Such an easy fix it didn't even cost him for the repair. But that is the reason we took it to the family friend. I can't tell you how many times he just told us what the problem was and told us to fix it our selves. One time pulled error code from the computer walked into his shop, came out carrying a coil pack (obviously salvaged). As he handed it to me he said swap out the first coil pack, if that does not fix it replace the next one, and walked back into the shop. |
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On Mar 12, 8:45*am, willshak wrote:
When I was a teen driver back in the 1950s, I had cars that would not stop , shift into neutral, or depress the clutch (these were all standard shift cars). There were no recalls, either from the car manufacturer, or the company that made the beer cans that rolled under the pedals. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ == Well, I suppose that if you tromped hard enough you could crush the beer cans enough that you could gain control. We only had beer bottles at that time and THEY were a problem. Been there, done that. == |
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On Mar 14, 11:56*am, Douglas Johnson wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote: No left-foot brakers,either. There's nothing basically wrong with left foot braking, I've done it all my driving career, at least with automatics. *It has the advantage of allowing you to "cover" the brake pedal in circumstances where you might need to break.. By putting your left foot *above* the brake pedal, you reduce reaction time. There is a problem when someone confuses the brake pedal with a foot rest and puts their foot *on* the brake pedal while driving. * If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. No, I don't get confused when I drive manuals. *I use right foot braking then. Don't even think about it. -- Doug |
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On Mar 14, 8:56*am, Douglas Johnson wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote: No left-foot brakers,either. There's nothing basically wrong with left foot braking, I've done it all my driving career, at least with automatics. *It has the advantage of allowing you to "cover" the brake pedal in circumstances where you might need to break.. By putting your left foot *above* the brake pedal, you reduce reaction time. There is a problem when someone confuses the brake pedal with a foot rest and puts their foot *on* the brake pedal while driving. * No, I don't get confused when I drive manuals. *I use right foot braking then. Don't even think about it. -- Doug I defy you to drive with your left foot "above" the brake pedal for more than a minute or so. Whether you believe it or not, you _will_ be resting your foot _on_ the pedal. Whether you do it hard enough to light the brake lights... Harry K |
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I've snapped a clutch cable at least twice that I can
remember. Managed to get home by starting the car in neutral. Push the car till it's barely rolling. Cram the shift into first, and put the flashers on. Get up around 10 MPH, and shift to second. It's not fun, but it beats walking. I've had a couple of clutch cables break over the years also in my 1976 VW Rabbit. I just put it in first gear and crank the starter. As long as the battery is charged up and the engine runs well it'll move the car and start the engine at the same time. Once you get up to speed just back off the accelerator and gently slip it into second. Repeat for third and fourth gears. It's not very workable for in-town driving, but if you're out on the highway a long way from home it sure beats calling for a tow (especially before we had cell phones to call someone). I had an accelerator cable break once too. I just grabbed a screwdriver from the glovebox and cranked up the idle speed on the carburetor. It was slow going, but sure beat walking. I've even had the accelerator get stuck on a couple of occasions. No biggy with a manual, you just push in the clutch and coast off to the shoulder. Or, put it in neutral and coast to a stop. Even with an automatic you should be able to turn off the ignition and coast (just not so far to lock the steering). Battery dead, no problem. Just push the car to get it rolling, and let the clutch out to push start it. Anthony |
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Douglas Johnson wrote in
: Jim Yanik wrote: No left-foot brakers,either. There's nothing basically wrong with left foot braking, I've done it all my driving career, at least with automatics. It has the advantage of allowing you to "cover" the brake pedal in circumstances where you might need to break. many LFBs unknowingly ride their brakes,causing others behind them to put on their brakes,and screwing up traffic flow. By putting your left foot *above* the brake pedal, you reduce reaction time. There is a problem when someone confuses the brake pedal with a foot rest and puts their foot *on* the brake pedal while driving. a FREQUENT problem. No, I don't get confused when I drive manuals. I use right foot braking then. Don't even think about it. -- Doug YOU don't,but not everybody is the same as you. sorry,but it's a BAD habit. Leave it on the racetrack. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Harry K wrote:
I defy you to drive with your left foot "above" the brake pedal for more than a minute or so. I usually just cover for a few seconds while resolving the situation by other means. Like slowing down, or changing lanes to avoid the problem. -- Doug |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
many LFBs unknowingly ride their brakes,causing others behind them to put on their brakes,and screwing up traffic flow. Yep. YOU don't,but not everybody is the same as you. sorry,but it's a BAD habit. Leave it on the racetrack. If you avoid the problems we've discussed, why is it a bad habit? I was taught it in my original driver's ed course and later in my high performance street driving training for emergency vehicles. -- Doug |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote: wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. I will often cover while slowing down. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. |
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" wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. I mean, it was a long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be, but I have always left foot braked automatics. I've taken a number of driving tests (including a Class A license) and never had a problem with it. It seems to me that left foot braking greatly reduces the chances of pressing on the gas when you think you are pressing on the brake, a possible cause of some of the acceleration problems. On the other hand, the New Jersey Driver Manual http://www.nj.gov/mvc/pdf/Licenses/D.../Chapter_3.pdf says: "A motorist should always use his/her right foot for both the brake and the gas pedal" -- Doug |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:27:08 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. Only that NO ONE was teaching such crap in the '60s (though nothing would surprise me today). Manual transmissions were still the norm and a left foot on the brake was definitely a no-no. I mean, it was a long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be, but I have always left foot braked automatics. I've taken a number of driving tests (including a Class A license) and never had a problem with it. It seems to me that left foot braking greatly reduces the chances of pressing on the gas when you think you are pressing on the brake, a possible cause of some of the acceleration problems. It greatly increases the chance that you'll stomp on both. On the other hand, the New Jersey Driver Manual http://www.nj.gov/mvc/pdf/Licenses/D.../Chapter_3.pdf says: "A motorist should always use his/her right foot for both the brake and the gas pedal" Absolutely. |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:27:08 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote: "A motorist should always use his/her right foot for both the brake and the gas pedal" The one exception is if you drive in NASCAR races. Drive fast, turn left and burn the brakes up. LFB |
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" wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:27:08 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. Only that NO ONE was teaching such crap in the '60s (though nothing would surprise me today). Manual transmissions were still the norm and a left foot on the brake was definitely a no-no. Really? You tried them all? Berkley High in 1966? The cars we learned on had automatics. I actually didn't learn to drive a manual until college. Seriously, I remember being taught left foot braking in driver's ed and I've done it all my life. I don't know where I would have learned it otherwise. But it will take more than a statement like that to invalidate my memory. We may have to decide we can't convince each other. -- Doug |
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Douglas Johnson wrote in
: Jim Yanik wrote: many LFBs unknowingly ride their brakes,causing others behind them to put on their brakes,and screwing up traffic flow. Yep. YOU don't,but not everybody is the same as you. sorry,but it's a BAD habit. Leave it on the racetrack. If you avoid the problems we've discussed, why is it a bad habit? IF..... the problem is that people DONT avoid them. also,under stress,people revert back to learned habits(y'know;practice,practice,practice),and you have not established ONE braking habit,but two,that HAS to be chosen,which is NOT a reflex. I was taught it in my original driver's ed course and later in my high performance street driving training for emergency vehicles. -- Doug How do you KNOW -you- aren't riding the brake? I've never heard of driver's ed teaching left-foot braking. That would be very confusing for an inexperienced driver,in addition to all the other new stuff they have to learn. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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" wrote in
: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. I will often cover while slowing down. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Me either. I took driver's ed in the late '60s(NY) and they never taught that nonsense. It would be far too confusing for an inexperienced newbie. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Douglas Johnson wrote in
: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. I mean, it was a long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be, but I have always left foot braked automatics. I've taken a number of driving tests (including a Class A license) and never had a problem with it. It seems to me that left foot braking greatly reduces the chances of pressing on the gas when you think you are pressing on the brake, a possible cause of some of the acceleration problems. On the other hand, the New Jersey Driver Manual http://www.nj.gov/mvc/pdf/Licenses/D.../Chapter_3.pdf says: "A motorist should always use his/her right foot for both the brake and the gas pedal" -- Doug Because you want to develop the HABIT of right foot braking as you would on a stick shift car,so you do the same thing all the time,developing a REFLEX that you naturally revert to in an emergency,no matter which type you're driving,no thought needed. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:27:08 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. I mean, it was a long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be, but I have always left foot braked automatics. I've taken a number of driving tests (including a Class A license) and never had a problem with it. It seems to me that left foot braking greatly reduces the chances of pressing on the gas when you think you are pressing on the brake, a possible cause of some of the acceleration problems. On the other hand, the New Jersey Driver Manual http://www.nj.gov/mvc/pdf/Licenses/D.../Chapter_3.pdf says: "A motorist should always use his/her right foot for both the brake and the gas pedal" -- Doug I was failed for using my left foot on my driver's test because the car had a tendancy to stall occaisionally coming to a stop - 1968 Rebel. When I explained why I did it they said fix the car. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. I will often cover while slowing down. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Judging by this 1964 article, it may well have been true. I do recall discussions about it but we did not have driver's ed in school so I don't know what our state did back then. This is also backed up by the last cite below. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...897172,00.html Some states encourage left-foot braking (among them, South Dakota and Michigan); some disqualify or penalize any license applicant who does it (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Utah). Most states have no policy at all. And there is, in fact, something to be said for both sides-or both feet. Read mo http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz0iCxEpefI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-foot_braking Road use Many commentators advise against the use of left-foot braking while driving on public roads.[7][8] However, some commentators do recommend left-foot braking as routine practice when driving vehicles fitted with an automatic transmission, when maneuvering at low speeds.[9] Proponents of the technique note that in low-speed maneuvers, a driver of a vehicle with a manual transmission will usually keep a foot poised over the clutch pedal, ready to disengage power when the vehicle nears an obstacle. This means that disengagement is also possible in the event of malfunction such as an engine surge. However, the absence of a clutch on a vehicle with automatic transmission means that there is no such safety override, unless the driver has a foot poised over the brake pedal.[9] Critics of the technique suggest that it can cause confusion when switching to or from a vehicle with a manual transmission,[7] and that it is difficult to achieve the necessary sensitivity to brake smoothly when your left foot is used to operating a clutch pedal.[8] http://www.scottgood.com/jsg/blog.ns...ks/SGOD-6NY25Y Hello Scott, I am a retired Driving Instructor. I am almost 70 and took to Left Foot Braking about 15 years ago. Taught few students LFB including my two children. I believe if we can convince Insurance companies that they will save very big by way of claims that might have a great impact. Trying to talk to Driving Schools is something I have not had any luck with. How do we (You and I) go about it. I am very passionate about this. Regards Enver Khorasanee http://searchchicago.suntimes.com/au...ters29.article Q. I'm 79 years old and took driving lessons in 1950, when my instructor told me to use my left foot to brake and right foot to accelerate. I also was told to pump the brake pedal four or five times before stopping on slippery roads to assure the best braking. My driving record is excellent. But during a recent driver's license test, I was told to use my right foot for both braking and accelerating. There is nothing in the Illinois Rules of the Road book that says a driver must brake with the right foot, is there? --P.B., Chicago A. If accustomed to braking with your left foot after more than 50 years, keep using it for braking. |
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FWIW, I began driving a tractor (clutch) at 10 and cars at 12.
That was in the 50's. I learned to use my left foot for the clutch and right for brake and throttle. In the 80's, I taught my kids the same thing-first on a John Deere and then a car. IMHO, there is no reason, and is a cause for possible harm, to teach a person to do otherwise. Sure, the Driver Ed-mobiles and many cars now have autos, but what good does it to to teach a reaction to kids that could get them killed when they move up to a manual transmission eventually? -- Nonny When we talk to God, we're praying, but when God talks to us, we're schizophrenic. What's the deal? |
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In article , Jim Yanik wrote:
Because you want to develop the HABIT of right foot braking as you would on a stick shift car,so you do the same thing all the time,developing a REFLEX that you naturally revert to in an emergency,no matter which type you're driving,no thought needed. My father has used his left foot for the brake for as long as I can remember. He's driven automatics for about the last sixty years. He told me that he used to wonder if he'd be as quick getting onto the pedal with his left foot as with his right -- then one day, years ago, somebody pulled out in front of him on US 31; he said after he got the car stopped, he realized he had *both* feet on the brake. |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:41:50 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:27:08 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: " wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. Only that NO ONE was teaching such crap in the '60s (though nothing would surprise me today). Manual transmissions were still the norm and a left foot on the brake was definitely a no-no. Really? You tried them all? Berkley High in 1966? The cars we learned on had automatics. I actually didn't learn to drive a manual until college. Yes. NO ONE was teaching students to use the left foot for the brake. NO ONE. Seriously, I remember being taught left foot braking in driver's ed and I've done it all my life. I don't know where I would have learned it otherwise. But it will take more than a statement like that to invalidate my memory. We may have to decide we can't convince each other. You're dangerous. That's obvious to everyone. |
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On Mar 14, 4:26*pm, "
wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. * Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. *I will often cover while slowing down. * I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. *Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. *Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't either but do vaguely recall discussions in the driving oriented magazines about it back then. Most of them were in the sport and racing mags though. Harry K |
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On Mar 14, 7:33*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:12 -0500, Douglas Johnson wrote: wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. * Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. *I will often cover while slowing down. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. *Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. *Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Judging by this 1964 article, it may well have been true. *I do recall discussions about it but we did not have driver's ed in school so I don't know what our state did back then. * This is also backed up by the last cite below. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...897172,00.html Some states encourage left-foot braking (among them, South Dakota and Michigan); some disqualify or penalize any license applicant who does it (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Utah). Most states have no policy at all. And there is, in fact, something to be said for both sides-or both feet. Read mohttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,00.html#ixzz0... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-foot_braking Road use Many commentators advise against the use of left-foot braking while driving on public roads.[7][8] However, some commentators do recommend left-foot braking as routine practice when driving vehicles fitted with an automatic transmission, when maneuvering at low speeds.[9] Proponents of the technique note that in low-speed maneuvers, a driver of a vehicle with a manual transmission will usually keep a foot poised over the clutch pedal, ready to disengage power when the vehicle nears an obstacle.. This means that disengagement is also possible in the event of malfunction such as an engine surge. However, the absence of a clutch on a vehicle with automatic transmission means that there is no such safety override, unless the driver has a foot poised over the brake pedal.[9] Critics of the technique suggest that it can cause confusion when switching to or from a vehicle with a manual transmission,[7] and that it is difficult to achieve the necessary sensitivity to brake smoothly when your left foot is used to operating a clutch pedal.[8] http://www.scottgood.com/jsg/blog.ns...ks/SGOD-6NY25Y Hello Scott, I am a retired Driving Instructor. I am almost 70 and took to Left Foot Braking about 15 years ago. Taught few students LFB including my two children. I believe if we can convince Insurance companies that they will save very big by way of claims that might have a great impact. Trying to talk to Driving Schools is something I have not had any luck with. How do we (You and I) go about it. I am very passionate about this. Regards Enver Khorasanee http://searchchicago.suntimes.com/au...3973,CAR-News-... Q. I'm 79 years old and took driving lessons in 1950, when my instructor told me to use my left foot to brake and right foot to accelerate. I also was told to pump the brake pedal four or five times before stopping on slippery roads to assure the best braking. My driving record is excellent.. But during a recent driver's license test, I was told to use my right foot for both braking and accelerating. There is nothing in the Illinois Rules of the Road book that says a driver must brake with the right foot, is there? --P.B., Chicago A. If accustomed to braking with your left foot after more than 50 years, keep using it for braking.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Darn it. There you go ruining a discussion with those dreaded _facts_ again :) Harry K |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...897172,00.html Some states encourage left-foot braking (among them, South Dakota and Michigan); some disqualify or penalize any license applicant who does it (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Utah). Most states have no policy at all. And there is, in fact, something to be said for both sides-or both feet. Thank you. I was in Michigan. -- Doug |
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... On Mar 14, 11:56 am, Douglas Johnson wrote: Jim Yanik wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Here in Ontario, if the driving examiner catches you breaking with the left foot, you will fail here also.....improper use of controls. No, I don't get confused when I drive manuals. I use right foot braking then. Don't even think about it. -- Doug No foot confusion here either. Ron |
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On Mar 14, 7:13*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
wrote: If you're driving an automatic and need your left foot hoovering above the brake pedal to "cover" it, while your other foot is on the gas, then I'd say you're doing something very wrong. * Simply slow down and allow more space so there is no need to cover, which means that right foot should be off the gas and on the brake. It's not an either-or choice. *I will often cover while slowing down. * I can move my foot from gas to brake in maybe a couple tenths of a second or less. *Here in NJ they will fail you for your driving test if you use two feet with an automatic. Amazing. *Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. -- Doug By the early 70s, when I took driver's ed in Michigan, they taught right-foot braking. Cindy Hamilton |
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: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...897172,00.html Some states encourage left-foot braking (among them, South Dakota and Michigan); some disqualify or penalize any license applicant who does it (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Utah). Most states have no policy at all. And there is, in fact, something to be said for both sides-or both feet. Thank you. I was in Michigan. -- Doug using left foot for braking makes it possible for one to apply both brakes and throttle at the same time. In most cases,outside of the track,this is not good. Besides,just because a state or states "encourages" something does not make it right or proper. States are not any authority on driving techniques. That "encouragement" could merely derive from some bureaucrat of the same bent as you guys. IMO,operating differently depending on what car you're using means you aren't developing the reflex or habit that people revert to under emergencies.Thus,you could,under pressure,use the wrong foot at a critical time. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On Mar 15, 8:49*am, Jim Yanik wrote:
Douglas Johnson wrote : "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...897172,00.html Some states encourage left-foot braking (among them, South Dakota and Michigan); some disqualify or penalize any license applicant who does it (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Utah). Most states have no policy at all. And there is, in fact, something to be said for both sides-or both feet. Thank you. *I was in Michigan. *-- Doug using left foot for braking makes it possible for one to apply both brakes and throttle at the same time. In most cases,outside of the track,this is not good. Besides,just because a state or states "encourages" something does not make it right or proper. States are not any authority on driving techniques. That "encouragement" could merely derive from some bureaucrat of the same bent as you guys. IMO,operating differently depending on what car you're using means you aren't developing the reflex or habit that people revert to under emergencies.Thus,you could,under pressure,use the wrong foot at a critical time. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com Amen to that. I switch between a Ford 500 auto and an 89 F150 manual everything and get confused on the cruis controls particulary and have been known to try to get into gear in the f150 without using the clutch. Harry K |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
using left foot for braking makes it possible for one to apply both brakes and throttle at the same time. In most cases,outside of the track,this is not good. Agreed. So don't do it. Besides,just because a state or states "encourages" something does not make it right or proper. States are not any authority on driving techniques. That "encouragement" could merely derive from some bureaucrat of the same bent as you guys. By the same authority, it doesn't make it wrong. I was just using it to confirm my memory that my Michigan driver's ed taught left foot braking. IMO,operating differently depending on what car you're using means you aren't developing the reflex or habit that people revert to under emergencies.Thus,you could,under pressure,use the wrong foot at a critical time. This could be a problem, but hasn't for me. I own both automatics and manuals. I move between them regularly. I brake with the appropriate foot without thinking about it, even in an emergency. I've *never* screwed it up. I'm kind of surprised at the amount of controversy this has stirred up. It's clear I'm in the minority here and on the net. That's OK. In any case, I'm done with this topic. -- Doug |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:45:21 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: wrote: Amazing. Left foot braking was what I was taught in driver's ed in Michigan in the mid-60's. I don't believe you. Do you have specific evidence to the contrary? I could be wrong. Only that NO ONE was teaching such crap in the '60s (though nothing would surprise me today). Manual transmissions were still the norm and a left foot on the brake was definitely a no-no. Not one manual transmission was available in my high school drivers ed class in Michigan in the mid 60's. Up here in Elmira Ontario 1968 was the first year you could take Driver's Ed on an automatic in the highschool program. I learned on a standard Pontiac. |
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