Thanks again, your check to Rotary arrived last Last Saturday.

Jeff

P.S. If in a few weeks you receive a letter at home from the Steve
Glidden Foundation, don't chuck it out without opening it, it won't be a
solicitation, but should contain an acknowlwdgement.

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Minor screwup on my part, not intended for this newsgroup.

Sorry,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason.
Somehow, your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"jeff_wisnia" wrote in
message ...

Thanks again, your check to Rotary arrived last Last
Saturday.

Jeff

P.S. If in a few weeks you receive a letter at home from the
Steve
Glidden Foundation, don't chuck it out without opening it,
it won't be a
solicitation, but should contain an acknowlwdgement.

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message
...

Thanks again, your check to Rotary arrived last Last Saturday.

Jeff

P.S. If in a few weeks you receive a letter at home from the Steve Glidden
Foundation, don't chuck it out without opening it, it won't be a
solicitation, but should contain an acknowlwdgement.

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Does this mean I put a stop payment on the check?

Steve ;-0

SteveB wrote:

"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message
...

Thanks again, your check to Rotary arrived last Last Saturday.

Jeff

P.S. If in a few weeks you receive a letter at home from the Steve Glidden
Foundation, don't chuck it out without opening it, it won't be a
solicitation, but should contain an acknowlwdgement.

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.


Does this mean I put a stop payment on the check?

Steve ;-0


That "thwock" you may have heard earlier was me, giving my forehead a
"dope slap".

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason.
Somehow, your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".


The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

* Something that fits between a mister and a matress.

jeff_wisnia wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason. Somehow,
your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".


The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)


My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )

wrote:

jeff_wisnia wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason. Somehow,
your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".


The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private
e-mail to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)


My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )

That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments after
you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers all over the
planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:30:40 -0400, jeff_wisnia wrote:
The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

That's one of the reasons I prefer a separate news client to email client
- the potential for complete screw-up is at least *slightly* less :-)

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:37:43 -0400, "
wrote:

jeff_wisnia wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason. Somehow,
your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".


The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)


My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )

Canceling an email will work if the person has not yet retrieved and
opened the mail.

Sample: A got at work one sent an email to "everyone" at a facility.
He failed to select the single individual. Well many were opened and
the cat was out of the bag.

Paraphrasing: "he is a Dixie blue gum, cracker-barrel dancing, spoon
playing moon cricket" In reference to "The Boss".

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:46:34 -0400, jeff_wisnia
wrote:


My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )

That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments after
you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers all over the
planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff

My news reader help file snip.

"Rescind Usenet Post command (Action menu)
Use this command to remove a Usenet message you posted. Rescinding a
message sends a message to your news server asking it to delete the
message. This message is also passed along to the other news servers
on the Internet so that they can delete the message as well."

Now if the news message have already been retrieved - somebody will
see it before the rescind command can be honored.

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:37:43 -0400, "
wrote:

jeff_wisnia wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason. Somehow,
your computer sent it to alt home repair, instead.

"Click happens".

The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)

My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )

Canceling an email will work if the person has not yet retrieved and
opened the mail.

Sample: A got at work one sent an email to "everyone" at a facility.
He failed to select the single individual. Well many were opened and
the cat was out of the bag.

Paraphrasing: "he is a Dixie blue gum, cracker-barrel dancing, spoon
playing moon cricket" In reference to "The Boss".

Oops.......my email client is what I use to post to newsgroups. I
didn't mean to say that I could cancel emails, but cancelling messages
to newsgroup works. Of course, if someone replies to a n.g. message,
and quotes, before it is cancelled, then it is there "forever".

There also used to be a way to go through Google to cancel a newsgroup
post. Haven't done that for a very long time, but it included signing
on to Google, find the message, a "cancel" link would be emailed and
then click the link....or something like that.

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:46:34 -0400, jeff_wisnia
wrote:

My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )
That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments after
you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers all over the
planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff

My news reader help file snip.

"Rescind Usenet Post command (Action menu)
Use this command to remove a Usenet message you posted. Rescinding a
message sends a message to your news server asking it to delete the
message. This message is also passed along to the other news servers
on the Internet so that they can delete the message as well."

Now if the news message have already been retrieved - somebody will
see it before the rescind command can be honored.


IIRC, most of the major news servers have ignored 'cancel' messages for
many years now. It did work like that in the old days, when usenet was
run by geeks with some sense of honor. But then breathing scum and 'bots
started canceling other people's messages, and rather than fuss with
'did not- did too', they just dropped the feature.

Anyway, so I was told. I could be wrong, I often am lately.

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:

IIRC, most of the major news servers have ignored 'cancel' messages
for many years now. It did work like that in the old days, when
usenet was run by geeks with some sense of honor. But then breathing
scum and 'bots started canceling other people's messages, and rather
than fuss with 'did not- did too', they just dropped the feature.

Anyway, so I was told. I could be wrong, I often am lately.

Yes, there was a spate of cancel-wars going on about a decade or so ago. As
a result, at that time, most (pretty much all) ops turned off the feature.

Once you send it to usenet, it's out there for good.

Jon

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:04 -0400, wrote:
Oops.......my email client is what I use to post to newsgroups. I
didn't mean to say that I could cancel emails, but cancelling messages
to newsgroup works.

On a local server, maybe. But usenet is of course global - and there's no
guarantee that all servers will obey cancels (it's hard to get a picture
of how many don't - but it's enough that trying to cancel a message is a
waste of time; *someone's* almost certainly going to end up seeing it)

Of course your client might be 'clever' and make it look to you like your
post has actually gone, even though many people out there can still see it
just fine...

There also used to be a way to go through Google to cancel a newsgroup
post.

A newsgroup post or a google groups post? I can believe the latter because
Google will have been free to implement things differently and
provide a cancel system that's secure (IIRC one of the big drawbacks of
usenet cancels - and the reason servers don't support them - is
that cancels can be forged by anyone, so people are free to cancel
messages that aren't actually theirs)

Everyone screws up once in a while and posts something they didn't mean to
- human nature. Just proof-read things first and if you do let
something slip through, try not to make it *too* sensitive :-)

cheers

Jules

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:13:10 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:46:34 -0400, jeff_wisnia
wrote:

My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )
That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments after
you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers all over the
planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff

My news reader help file snip.

"Rescind Usenet Post command (Action menu)
Use this command to remove a Usenet message you posted. Rescinding a
message sends a message to your news server asking it to delete the
message. This message is also passed along to the other news servers
on the Internet so that they can delete the message as well."

Now if the news message have already been retrieved - somebody will
see it before the rescind command can be honored.


IIRC, most of the major news servers have ignored 'cancel' messages for
many years now. It did work like that in the old days, when usenet was
run by geeks with some sense of honor. But then breathing scum and 'bots
started canceling other people's messages, and rather than fuss with
'did not- did too', they just dropped the feature.


"'did not- did too'" now that's funny. I remember somebody typed "I
hope I don't get AIDS from your keyboard".

Maybe those with a newer reader can tell us if the feature is still
offered to cancel/rescind.

Waste of money if they developed it and it will not work for the user.

Anyway, so I was told. I could be wrong, I often am lately.

The last time I was wrong, I was mistaken :-/

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:13:10 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:46:34 -0400, jeff_wisnia
wrote:

My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very handy
feature for "why did I say that" times )
That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments after
you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers all over the
planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff
My news reader help file snip.

"Rescind Usenet Post command (Action menu)
Use this command to remove a Usenet message you posted. Rescinding a
message sends a message to your news server asking it to delete the
message. This message is also passed along to the other news servers
on the Internet so that they can delete the message as well."

Now if the news message have already been retrieved - somebody will
see it before the rescind command can be honored.

IIRC, most of the major news servers have ignored 'cancel' messages for
many years now. It did work like that in the old days, when usenet was
run by geeks with some sense of honor. But then breathing scum and 'bots
started canceling other people's messages, and rather than fuss with
'did not- did too', they just dropped the feature.


"'did not- did too'" now that's funny. I remember somebody typed "I
hope I don't get AIDS from your keyboard".

Maybe those with a newer reader can tell us if the feature is still
offered to cancel/rescind.

Waste of money if they developed it and it will not work for the user.

Anyway, so I was told. I could be wrong, I often am lately.

The last time I was wrong, I was mistaken :-/


I'm going to post this and then cancel it. Hmmmm.....

wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:13:10 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:46:34 -0400, jeff_wisnia
wrote:

My email client (Thunderbird) allows cancelling messages...very
handy feature for "why did I say that" times )
That might work for e-mail, but my understanding is that moments
after you send a post to a news server it gets spread to servers
all over the planet and is then impossible to "cancel" or "delete".

Can someone please tell me if I've got that right?

Jeff
My news reader help file snip.

"Rescind Usenet Post command (Action menu)
Use this command to remove a Usenet message you posted. Rescinding a
message sends a message to your news server asking it to delete the
message. This message is also passed along to the other news servers
on the Internet so that they can delete the message as well."

Now if the news message have already been retrieved - somebody will
see it before the rescind command can be honored.

IIRC, most of the major news servers have ignored 'cancel' messages
for many years now. It did work like that in the old days, when
usenet was run by geeks with some sense of honor. But then breathing
scum and 'bots started canceling other people's messages, and rather
than fuss with 'did not- did too', they just dropped the feature.


"'did not- did too'" now that's funny. I remember somebody typed "I
hope I don't get AIDS from your keyboard".

Maybe those with a newer reader can tell us if the feature is still
offered to cancel/rescind.

Waste of money if they developed it and it will not work for the user.

Anyway, so I was told. I could be wrong, I often am lately.

The last time I was wrong, I was mistaken :-/


I'm going to post this and then cancel it. Hmmmm.....
Replying to it, then going to cancel it.

I thought it was a kid with a basketball practicing on my
house?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"jeff_wisnia" wrote in
message
unications...

That "thwock" you may have heard earlier was me, giving my
forehead a
"dope slap".

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Ah, well. I've had some computer moments. Computers (and
high power lasers) allow you to screw up at the speed of
light. Like you say, coulda been worse.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"jeff_wisnia" wrote in
message
eonecommunications...
Stormin Mormon wrote:

My news reader says you tried to send to Tholander, Jason.
Somehow, your computer sent it to alt home repair,
instead.

"Click happens".


The definition of an "oopsasecond" is the time between
clicking "send"
and realizing you were inadvertently sending a copy of a
private e-mail
to a newsgroup you'd been reading.

Jeff (Glad that wasn't a email to a mistress*. G)

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

* Something that fits between a mister and a matress.

Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame, would be able to to make a
comic about this. Well, actually, he has written of this
kind of thing in his books.

From memory: "I got a particualarly scathing email from
someone, about the boss. I opened another email that was
sent to the entire company, and pasted he headers on, then
replied to the guy and made it look like he had sent the
email to the entire company. There was a lot of panic going
on when he looked and saw what he thought he'd done."
Loosely quoted.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Oren" wrote in message
...

Canceling an email will work if the person has not yet
retrieved and
opened the mail.

Sample: A got at work one sent an email to "everyone" at a
facility.
He failed to select the single individual. Well many were
opened and
the cat was out of the bag.

Paraphrasing: "he is a Dixie blue gum, cracker-barrel
dancing, spoon
playing moon cricket" In reference to "The Boss".

jeff_wisnia wrote:
Minor screwup on my part, not intended for this newsgroup.

Sorry,

Jeff


It's known as "Premature Postification", there are some
new and effective therapies for the disorder now. One
of them involves a robotic hand that slaps you upside
the head whenever you are about to do it.

TDD

wrote:
wrote:

I'm going to post this and then cancel it. Hmmmm.....
Replying to it, then going to cancel it.

As was previously stated, cancel requests are no longer utilized by most (if
not all) sysops.

Jon

Do you have much choice? Where do you get newsgroups, and
usenet as separate functions?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jeff The Drunk" wrote in message
...

Using the same agent for news and Usenet was never a great
idea.

Like the furnace autowhacker that Turtle used to write
about?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...
jeff_wisnia wrote:
Minor screwup on my part, not intended for this newsgroup.

Sorry,

Jeff


It's known as "Premature Postification", there are some
new and effective therapies for the disorder now. One
of them involves a robotic hand that slaps you upside
the head whenever you are about to do it.

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Like the furnace autowhacker that Turtle used to write
about?


I need for for the AC compressor clutch on my little van.

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Like the furnace autowhacker that Turtle used to write about?


I need for for the AC compressor clutch on my little van.

TDD

Porky Pig.

TDD

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:40:39 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Do you have much choice? Where do you get newsgroups, and
usenet as separate functions?

That had me puzzled, too. I assume they meant mail and usenet...

Another wondeful example of rebuking someone by typing some
confusion and blithering.

It helps to focuss your computer on what your mind is
saying, before you type a complete sequitor. (Was that a
great example, or was it moldy bread in an airline box lunch
over Texas?)

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jules" wrote
in message
news On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:40:39 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Do you have much choice? Where do you get newsgroups, and
usenet as separate functions?

That had me puzzled, too. I assume they meant mail and
usenet...

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:31:49 -0400, Jeff The Drunk wrote:
Using the same agent for news and Usenet was never a great
idea.

Do you have much choice? Where do you get newsgroups, and
usenet as separate functions?

By using a dedicated Newsreader client like:

Are you using a different definiton of 'newsgroups' or 'usenet' to the
rest of the 'net? I'm not aware of newsgroup ever having been used
outside a usenet context.

Actually you originally said news, not newsgroup - but if you meant news
as in media coverage of current events, I'm not sure how that's relevant
to the discussion (or even what kind of client gives you 'news' - in
that context - and usenet via the same interface?)

Confuzzled!

cheers

J.