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I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

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Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

No moderator and I believe this is most active group on the net.

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Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?


No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

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In article , Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all?

Moderated newsgroups are clearly indicated by the name of the group, e.g.
alt.astrology.moderated, alt.comp.lang.c.moderated, and so on.

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Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

Until you pay the membership fee for this group, I can't modify your posts.
Membership is $80 for the year, cash only.

Jon

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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all?

Moderated newsgroups are clearly indicated by the name of the group, e.g.
alt.astrology.moderated, alt.comp.lang.c.moderated, and so on.

Only 2 moderated groups I subscribe to, don't have moderated in their
name. Only sure sign is if you post through Google, they will say that
it has been sent for moderator approval.

Also don't down Google. I sometimes post through it when on a company
machine.

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Frank wrote:
....
... I believe this is most active group on the net.

Not even close to top one of the half-dozen groups I monitor...

--

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Jason Carlton
wrote:

I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason


No moderator here. Say what you want. I suggest paying close
attention to posts and etiquette. Your email was most likely
harvested (and will continue to be)--not a big deal getting a new
email address though.

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On Sep 10, 7:43*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?

Paul

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"Jason Carlton" wrote in message

I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

No. Usenet groups are not moderated for the most part. You're lucky if
you're not seeing spam; I do.
Your e-mail address is also now stored on Google and several other
places that crawl the newsgroups in order to provide lookup services for
posts on the groups. It has also been scraped from the newsgroup by
several spam bots who will have already added it to their spam lists.
So in general, it's too late; it's already in the hands of many around
the world.
On newsgroups, many people use phony email addresses that have been
set aside specifically for this purpose in order to avoid the spam.
is one, there are many others if you keep your eyes
open and look for them. Do NOT just make up a name: if it's not already
in use, it might be in use in the future so you could be screwing
someone before they even get started. The address above is even
actually pointed out in an RFC.

HTH,

Twayne`

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Twayne wrote:
"Jason Carlton" wrote in message

I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

No. Usenet groups are not moderated for the most part. You're lucky if
you're not seeing spam; I do.
Your e-mail address is also now stored on Google and several other
places that crawl the newsgroups in order to provide lookup services for
posts on the groups. It has also been scraped from the newsgroup by
several spam bots who will have already added it to their spam lists.
So in general, it's too late; it's already in the hands of many around
the world.
On newsgroups, many people use phony email addresses that have been
set aside specifically for this purpose in order to avoid the spam.
is one, there are many others if you keep your eyes
open and look for them. Do NOT just make up a name: if it's not already
in use, it might be in use in the future so you could be screwing
someone before they even get started. The address above is even
actually pointed out in an RFC.

HTH,

Twayne`



I get no spam with my munged address. Former dial up isp, I got 50
spams a day.

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314
wrote:

On Sep 10, 7:43*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?

Paul

Google Groups has limited features with a so-so user interface. You
can use any newsreader such as Forte Agent and configure a free
server. But if Google Groups works for you, then there is nothing
wrong.

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In article , Pavel314 wrote:

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative.

First off, you need to learn the difference between a news reader and a news
server.

What's wrong with Google Groups?

Compared to what you get with a dedicated news reader, the interface sucks.
And Google does absolutely nothing, either proactively or reactively, about
the massive amount of spam that's injected into Usenet through their servers.

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On Sep 10, 3:06*pm, Frank wrote:
Twayne wrote:
"Jason Carlton" wrote in message

I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

No. *Usenet groups are not moderated for the most part. *You're lucky if
you're not seeing spam; I do.
* *Your e-mail address is also now stored on Google and several other
places that crawl the newsgroups in order to provide lookup services for
posts on the groups. *It has also been scraped from the newsgroup by
several spam bots who will have already added it to their spam lists.
So in general, it's too late; it's already in the hands of many around
the world.
* *On newsgroups, many people use phony email addresses that have been
set aside specifically for this purpose in order to avoid the spam.
is one, there are many others if you keep your eyes
open and look for them. *Do NOT just make up a name: if it's not already
in use, it might be in use in the future so you could be screwing
someone before they even get started. *The address above is even
actually pointed out in an RFC.

HTH,

Twayne`

I get no spam with my munged address. *Former dial up isp, I got 50
spams a day.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Not a big problem, I've just tried to use my Gmail address for NG
posts to prevent as much spam as I can. I've used the same work email
address for 9 years, and it would be next to impossible to change at
this point without losing customers, but I've been cautious with it to
the point that I only get 30 or 40 spam emails a day (which is only
about 1% of my total number of daily emails, so I think that's good).

FWIW, I used to use Forte FreeAgent, but now I don't frequent NGs very
often so it's easier to use Google Groups. I completely agree about
the interface (especially since I forgot that I was logged in to my
Adsense account when I posted), but without being a regular anywhere,
FreeAgent is too cumbersome.

While we're on the subject of policies, though, is the preferred
method of reply for this NG to top post, bottom post, or post within
the original?

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"Frank" wrote in message

Also don't down Google. I sometimes post through it when on a company
machine.

Just because you use it does not mean it doesn't suck

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Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?


Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones if you
want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP. Earthlink,
in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest and best-maintained
news servers).

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(Snippage)

Not a big problem, I've just tried to use my Gmail address for NG
posts to prevent as much spam as I can. I've used the same work email
address for 9 years, and it would be next to impossible to change at
this point without losing customers, but I've been cautious with it to
the point that I only get 30 or 40 spam emails a day (which is only
about 1% of my total number of daily emails, so I think that's good).

FWIW, I used to use Forte FreeAgent, but now I don't frequent NGs very
often so it's easier to use Google Groups. I completely agree about
the interface (especially since I forgot that I was logged in to my
Adsense account when I posted), but without being a regular anywhere,
FreeAgent is too cumbersome.

While we're on the subject of policies, though, is the preferred
method of reply for this NG to top post, bottom post, or post within
the original?


I think most prefer bottom post, unless you are a Mormon (hang around for a
couple of weeks: you will see what I mean)
_I_ prefer if the post you are responding to is long, post within. But
that's just me. Oh, and use some white space to differentiate what you have
to say from what someone else has to say. Maybe that's just me too.

gene

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HeyBub wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.
I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).
If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?
No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.
It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?


Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones if you
want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP. Earthlink,
in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest and best-maintained
news servers).




Earthlink is great for email as well. They filter for viruses and have
terrific anti-spam filtering. I rarely get spam; so little, I haven't
noticed the frequency. Probably at most once a day.

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On Sep 11, 8:03*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?

Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones if you
want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP. Earthlink,
in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest and best-maintained
news servers).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here at work they won't let us install a newsgroup reader so I can
only use Google Groups.

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"Frank" wrote in message

Twayne wrote:
"Jason Carlton" wrote in message

I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

TIA,

Jason

No. Usenet groups are not moderated for the most part. You're
lucky if you're not seeing spam; I do.
Your e-mail address is also now stored on Google and several other
places that crawl the newsgroups in order to provide lookup services
for posts on the groups. It has also been scraped from the
newsgroup by several spam bots who will have already added it to
their spam lists. So in general, it's too late; it's already in the
hands of many around the world.
On newsgroups, many people use phony email addresses that have
been set aside specifically for this purpose in order to avoid the
spam. is one, there are many others if you keep
your eyes open and look for them. Do NOT just make up a name: if
it's not already in use, it might be in use in the future so you
could be screwing someone before they even get started. The address
above is even actually pointed out in an RFC.

HTH,

Twayne`



I get no spam with my munged address. Former dial up isp, I got 50
spams a day.

Hmm, maybe I misunderstood something: I meant spam coming into this
newsgroup.

Twayne

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"Gene Jackson" wrote in message
m
(Snippage)

Not a big problem, I've just tried to use my Gmail address for NG
posts to prevent as much spam as I can. I've used the same work email
address for 9 years, and it would be next to impossible to change at
this point without losing customers, but I've been cautious with it to
the point that I only get 30 or 40 spam emails a day (which is only
about 1% of my total number of daily emails, so I think that's good).

FWIW, I used to use Forte FreeAgent, but now I don't frequent NGs very
often so it's easier to use Google Groups. I completely agree about
the interface (especially since I forgot that I was logged in to my
Adsense account when I posted), but without being a regular anywhere,
FreeAgent is too cumbersome.

While we're on the subject of policies, though, is the preferred
method of reply for this NG to top post, bottom post, or post within
the original?


I think most prefer bottom post, unless you are a Mormon (hang around
for a couple of weeks: you will see what I mean)
_I_ prefer if the post you are responding to is long, post within.
But that's just me. Oh, and use some white space to differentiate
what you have to say from what someone else has to say. Maybe that's
just me too.
gene

Well I agree with with you and I think a lot of others do too. This
particular group is lenient and really not too loud to complain about
any method as long as it's reasonable and makes a readable response.

If I'm the first responder to a post, I'll usually bottom post from
habit; that's what most groups require. Well, or inline and snipped.
If I'm not the first, I'll generally follow whatever the person before
me has done. It makes a lot more sense than messing up the flow of the
responses, especially considering it's going to be stored in several
places like Google for many years. Google is great for researching but
not so great to use as a newsreader.

I don't even mind when people don't snip irrelevant data to their
response, but I DO mind when the responders can't be bothered to put a
blank like before and after their responses, especially with inline
responses. It makes it pretty hard to see where the response is, if you
can see it at all, and I'll often pass on those kinds of posts. But
otherwise, IMO, I just figure "When in Rome ... ".

HTH,

Twayne`

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"Phisherman" wrote in message

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314
wrote:

On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought
maybe it was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully
prevent too many spammers from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?

Paul

Google Groups has limited features with a so-so user interface. You
can use any newsreader such as Forte Agent and configure a free
server. But if Google Groups works for you, then there is nothing
wrong.

Yeah, the problem with gui's like Google is the users often don't know
how to make a Reply or a New Post; they seem to just guess. They use
New for a Reply, losing any connection to the thread, or they might even
reply to the wrong threads sometimes. But if they get along OK with
them, there's no harm in using them, that's for sure. Personally I'd
much rather use the text only, direct presentation of a newsreader, any
newsreader. It's just easier and clearer how to use it.

HTH,

Twayne`

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In article ,
"Twayne" wrote:

Hmm, maybe I misunderstood something: I meant spam coming into this
newsgroup.

Put a kill filter on anything coming from google groupies and it'll all
disappear like magic.

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On 9/10/2009 4:57 PM Jason Carlton spake thus:

Not a big problem, I've just tried to use my Gmail address for NG
posts to prevent as much spam as I can. I've used the same work email
address for 9 years, and it would be next to impossible to change at
this point without losing customers, but I've been cautious with it to
the point that I only get 30 or 40 spam emails a day (which is only
about 1% of my total number of daily emails, so I think that's good).

From what you said it seems as if you're not aware that you have to use
a valid email address to post to Usenet (like this newsgroup). You
don't. News clients don't validate email addresses like mail clients do.

That's my strategy for avoiding spam: I get *zero* spam, since my
address is totally bogus. Plus it can be fun making up phony names.

There's actually no good reason to use a valid email address here, if
you think about it: almost all replies to posts here will be made to the
newsgroup and not to a poster's email address. (Of course, if you want
to initiate email contact with someone here, you can always do that.)

Consider doing that. Then you don't have to change *anything* in order
to read and post here.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

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Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:03 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all?
I don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought
maybe it was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully
prevent too many spammers from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?

Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones
if you want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP.
Earthlink, in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest
and best-maintained news servers).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here at work they won't let us install a newsgroup reader so I can
only use Google Groups.

If you have Outlook or Outlook Express, you have a newsreader. OE comes with
the Windows distribution - as a matter of fact, OE cannot be removed! It
can, if one tries hard enough, be disabled, but OE is part of Internet
Explorer which, in turn, is part of the operating system (not really a
stand-alone program).

Therefore, if you're using IE to access Google Groups, Outlook Express is
lurking about somewhere.

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On Sep 10, 4:43*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

For years I used Forte Agent, but then they dropped access to
NGs unless one paid a (small) fee.

I did for a while, but my NG usage is so very small and limited
that I find it easier just to use Google Groups rather than to
sign up for what you call a "real newsreader".

So, this is a serious question: Why do you say that use of
Google is "frowned on" by many?

TIA

Hypatia

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"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
On Sep 10, 4:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe it
was.

I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to contact
a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my unimportant Gmail
address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent too many spammers
from picking up the active address).

If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?

No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.

You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.

For years I used Forte Agent, but then they dropped access to
NGs unless one paid a (small) fee.

I did for a while, but my NG usage is so very small and limited
that I find it easier just to use Google Groups rather than to
sign up for what you call a "real newsreader".

So, this is a serious question: Why do you say that use of
Google is "frowned on" by many?

TIA

Hypatia

---

it's a source of much of the newsgroups spam, so it's just a reaction to the
other users of it.

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Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:03 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.
I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).
If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?
No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.
You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.
It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?
Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones if you
want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP. Earthlink,
in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest and best-maintained
news servers).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here at work they won't let us install a newsgroup reader so I can
only use Google Groups.

Chuckle. That is maybe because you are AT WORK, and they expect you to
be doing company business instead of hanging out on Usenet? :^/

--
aem sends...

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charlie wrote:

So, this is a serious question: Why do you say that use of
Google is "frowned on" by many?

TIA

Hypatia

---

it's a source of much of the newsgroups spam, so it's just a reaction
to the other users of it.

To carry on: Because of the spam emanating from GG, many users discard
anything that comes from that source.

In addition, GG is sometimes very slow at propagating messages. Plus the
interface is clunky and difficult to navigate.

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In article ,
"charlie" wrote:

"Higgs Boson" wrote in message


So, this is a serious question: Why do you say that use of
Google is "frowned on" by many?

TIA

Hypatia

---

it's a source of much of the newsgroups spam, so it's just a reaction to the
other users of it.

And because it's a source of spam, many users (including me) kill
everything from google. Therefore, we don't see your posts. I have about
20 googlers who've managed to make my whitelist, but I'm done adding
people to it.

Furthermore, most google groupies are completely ignorant of what usenet
is, and perhaps more importantly, what it isn't. Some people get tired
of trying to explain everything to the google idiots.

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Higgs Boson wrote:

For years I used Forte Agent, but then they dropped access to
NGs unless one paid a (small) fee.

I did for a while, but my NG usage is so very small and limited
that I find it easier just to use Google Groups rather than to
sign up for what you call a "real newsreader".

I pay about $10/year for my newsgroups, but I don't get any binaries.
For 10 bucks a year it's well worth not having to deal with a web based
news reader/server.

And if anyone noticed I'm using Gmail (google mail) I have it set up as
a pop server so I don't use the clunky web based email there either.
I'm curious if they let you set up usenet that way also?


So, this is a serious question: Why do you say that use of
Google is "frowned on" by many?

I never had a problem with others using it, just not me. Trying not to
sound snobby, I do admit it makes the user look like a rookie since real
usenet with a real newsreader is 100 times better, easier, and faster.

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Frank wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article
,
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all?

Moderated newsgroups are clearly indicated by the name of the group,
e.g. alt.astrology.moderated, alt.comp.lang.c.moderated, and so on.

Only 2 moderated groups I subscribe to, don't have moderated in their
name. Only sure sign is if you post through Google, they will say that
it has been sent for moderator approval.

Also don't down Google. I sometimes post through it when on a company
machine.

Well if it was any good you would use it at home also. Using it as a
last resort doesn't make it good.

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dpb wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
... I believe this is most active group on the net.

Not even close to top one of the half-dozen groups I monitor...

Yes true. I know of one group that averages about 1000 posts a day.

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Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:03 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:43 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jason Carlton wrote:
I'm relatively new to this NG (lurked in the past, of course), so
forgive my stupid question here. But is this NG moderated at all? I
don't see a lot of spam, which is rare for a NG, so I thought maybe
it was.
I messed up and made a few posts under my "other" Google account,
which has my active work email address attached. I'm hoping to
contact a mod and have him to correct those posts so that my
unimportant Gmail address will show, instead (and hopefully prevent
too many spammers from picking up the active address).
If there is a mod for this NG, how can I contact him/her?
No moderator and many frown on postings via Google Groups.
You would be encouraged to use a real newsreader instead.
It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore. Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative. What's wrong with Google Groups?
Google Groups is the WORST of the free news access methods.

Your problems is accessing a news SERVER. There are many free ones if you
want to keep using Comcast as your ISP.

In our case, Comcast provides the wire, but Earthlink is our ISP. Earthlink,
in turn, povides Giganews for free (one of the largest and best-maintained
news servers).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here at work they won't let us install a newsgroup reader so I can
only use Google Groups.

Once again, using GG as a last resort doesn't make it any good.

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Twayne wrote:

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Personally I'd
much rather use the text only, direct presentation of a newsreader, any
newsreader. It's just easier and clearer how to use it.

Yes me too. I don't care to see the stupid little smiley faces bouncing
all around the damn place. Actually I'm set to only show me plain text
in groups and email so you can send all the HTML you want but I'll never
see it. Why would someone send me email with there newborn baby as
wallpaper? I don't care if it's family, I send them a fake bounced
email reply (a great feature of "mailwasher"). One friend who likes to
send me some pretty funny stuff will send me an email telling me to
accept the HTML mail that is coming soon.

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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:28:03 -0400, Tony
wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:

For years I used Forte Agent, but then they dropped access to
NGs unless one paid a (small) fee.

I did for a while, but my NG usage is so very small and limited
that I find it easier just to use Google Groups rather than to
sign up for what you call a "real newsreader".

I pay about $10/year for my newsgroups, but I don't get any binaries.
For 10 bucks a year it's well worth not having to deal with a web based
news reader/server.


You don't need to pay for non-binary newsgroups. I would think most
folks would opt for one less billing.

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Pavel314 wrote:

It's hard to find a real newsreader anymore.

Thats silly. There are a ton of real newsreaders around, many of them
free. Windows comes with a free newsreader, which can instantly be
replaced free with Thunderbird, an even better newsreader.

Comcast dropped
newsgroups a couple of years ago in my area so Google Groups is the
best free alternative.

Also silly. There a a number of free newsgroup providers if all you want
is non-binaries.(see my tag) Several other cheap providers if you want
binaries.

What's wrong with Google Groups?

Much easier to list whats right with it. It's main use is their
archives for old messages, and OK if you are at work and not permitted
to use newsgroups, you generally can get access via Google. Thats all I
can think of...

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

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Jason Carlton wrote:

While we're on the subject of policies, though, is the preferred
method of reply for this NG to top post, bottom post, or post within
the original?

Yes. All are appropriate at different times. You should be smart
enough to figure out when to do what.

Much more difficult it seems is what to quote. You should delete
everything except what is essential to your reply. There is seldom a
reason to quote an entire message, usually just a few sentences, as I
just did here. If you edit/delete correctly it is usually really clear
whether you should top post, bottom post or interweave your reply, and
everyone reading your reply will easily and effortlessly see to what you
are replying.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

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"Jack Stein" wrote in message
...
Jason Carlton wrote:

While we're on the subject of policies, though, is the preferred
method of reply for this NG to top post, bottom post, or post within
the original?

Yes. All are appropriate at different times. You should be smart enough
to figure out when to do what.

Much more difficult it seems is what to quote. You should delete
everything except what is essential to your reply. There is seldom a
reason to quote an entire message, usually just a few sentences, as I just
did here. If you edit/delete correctly it is usually really clear

Bottom posting is preferred, "top posting" is also referred to as "Jeopardy!
posting" since the answer comes before the question.

Laziness is usually why people don't trim the quote in a response.

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"Bob M." wrote

Bottom posting is preferred, ...

Many people do prefer bottom posting, and many also prefer
top posting.

I think bottom posting works best for those who join a
discussion late in the discussion, after several postings,
since reading in the normal manner (top to bottom) gives the
chronological sequence of questions, answers, comments, etc.
I think top posting works best for those actively following
a thread from the beginning, since the latest response is
read first, and one doesn't have to wade through all the
previously provided material.

My preference (which happens rarely) is for each poster to
edit the post, leaving out irrelevant material, and
interweaving his comments within the post, adjacent to the
individual points the previous poster(s) made.

I don't think anyone is going to change his approach, but
maybe if the pros and cons of all methods are understood
there will be less rudeness here and in other newsgroups.