Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

On Jul 10, 7:27�am, wrote:
My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. �I can't find out if that is really true or not, �using
Google. �Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

you have to wait a specific time, neighbor should ask installing
contractor.

seal too soon and asphalt will never set up harden properly....

divots when parked on:(

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

On Jul 10, 6:27*am, wrote:
My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. *I can't find out if that is really true or not, *using
Google. *Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

What did you expext from a driveway sealing salesman

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

wrote in message
...
My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

I waited 25 years to do mine. I may do it again this year as there are some
tiny cracks in a few spots.

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:56:23 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote:

What did you expext from a driveway sealing salesman

I forgot to add that I thought he could be biased. Of course.

Duke

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:29:16 -0600, Robert Neville
wrote:


A reputable contractor just did my drive this week and recommended a similar
strategy. He said to wait a few months though, but to do it before winter.
Looking at the surface, I can see the logic as sealing will keep water from
going into the microcracks and freezing over the winter.

The problem is that he recommends waiting 5 or 6 months before sealing. To do a
proper sealing job, the manufacturers state that temps must stay above 50F for
24 hours. That's not going to work with the calendar.

Moreover, there are two major types of sealing. Liquid asphalt actually
penetrates the material and seals internally. The other types are easier to
apply but lay on top of the surface and can eventually flake off.


As far as I know, he has opted for water-based over oil-based because
it is cheaper.

Duke

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

In article ,
wrote:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

I bet the guy who installed the driveway knows.

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:
My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke


When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet. :-)

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

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willshak wrote:
on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke



When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet. :-)


I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

For my .02, sealing just enhances the appearance, I don't really believe
it adds much to the life of the pavement.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

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On Jul 10, 2:29�pm, jeff_wisnia
wrote:
willshak wrote:
on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. �I can't find out if that is really true or not, �using
Google. �Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke

When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet. �:-)

I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

For my .02, sealing just enhances the appearance, I don't really believe
it adds much to the life of the pavement.

Jeff

--
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.- Hide quoted text -

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sealing seals cracks which prevents water from getting in and doing
damage in freezing weather.

my asphalt driveway is near 25 years old and still in pretty good
shape, it gets sealed every other year on average

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

I worked for the highway department for 2 summers in college. One was spent
laying asphalt and the other we seal coated highways all summer long. We
were definitely not seal coating roads that had new asphalt, they were at
least 5 years old, probably more. And these were highways with lots more
traffic than any driveway would ever get.
If it was my driveway, I would wait until the asphalt needed a little help
and then seal coat to make it last a little longer without spending the
extra money on a new asphalt job.
The seal coat job that we were doing is where we would spray down a layer of
asphalt, spread gravel over the top, roll it with a pneumatic roller and
then run a sweeper to remove the excess aggregate. Did I mention that this
was in the north Texas area with lots and lots of days over 100 for both of
those summers. It was a good experience that I never ever want to do again.
Matthew

"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message
I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

For my .02, sealing just enhances the appearance, I don't really believe
it adds much to the life of the pavement.

Jeff

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

jeff_wisnia wrote:
willshak wrote:
on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke



When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet.
:-)

I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

They sealed my street in Seattle. Oil, then gravel. They swept up the loose
gravel a few weeks later.

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

Bob F wrote:
jeff_wisnia wrote:
willshak wrote:
on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke


When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet.
:-)
I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

They sealed my street in Seattle. Oil, then gravel. They swept up the loose
gravel a few weeks later.



yes, where I grew up (western PA) they would "tar and chip" most main
roads about once a year. Was a PITA to drive on for about a week or so,
and cleaning up the car afterwards was a pain as well.

Generally you'd wait until the chips had worked down into the asphalt
before you'd give your car a good waxing, because the only way to get it
clean was to wash, then wipe down with Diesel fuel, then wash again...

nate

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on 7/10/2009 2:29 PM (ET) jeff_wisnia wrote the following:
willshak wrote:
on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:

My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke



When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet.
:-)


I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?

For my .02, sealing just enhances the appearance, I don't really
believe it adds much to the life of the pavement.

Jeff

I guess you don't have an asphalt driveway.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

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on 7/11/2009 11:47 AM (ET) Bob F wrote the following:
jeff_wisnia wrote:

willshak wrote:

on 7/10/2009 7:27 AM (ET) wrote the following:


My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat
contractor told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to
protect it. I can't find out if that is really true or not, using
Google. Anyone know?

Thanks

Duke


When I last had my driveway replaced in 2000, the asphalt guy said to
wait a year before sealing it.
He didn't say what year to wait for, so I haven't had it sealed yet.
:-)

I can't recall ever seeing them seal the asphalt on city streets or
highways, have you?


They sealed my street in Seattle. Oil, then gravel. They swept up the loose
gravel a few weeks later.

About 10 years ago on a county road near where I live, they used what's
called a 'Hot In Place Asphalt Recycler". A large road machine that
scraped up a layer of asphalt at the front, heated it internally, then
put it back down on the road behind the machine. I though it was pretty
cool, but within a year that recycled layer came unglued in spots so
there was largish areas that were like 2" deep potholes. They had to
repave the road in the conventional manner.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

"MB" writes:

I worked for the highway department for 2 summers in college. One was spent
laying asphalt and the other we seal coated highways all summer long. We
were definitely not seal coating roads that had new asphalt, they were at
least 5 years old, probably more. And these were highways with lots more
traffic than any driveway would ever get.
If it was my driveway, I would wait until the asphalt needed a little help
and then seal coat to make it last a little longer without spending the
extra money on a new asphalt job.
The seal coat job that we were doing is where we would spray down a layer of
asphalt, spread gravel over the top, roll it with a pneumatic roller and
then run a sweeper to remove the excess aggregate. Did I mention that this
was in the north Texas area with lots and lots of days over 100 for both of
those summers. It was a good experience that I never ever want to do again.
Matthew

That's not the same as the "seal coating" that the OP is talking
about. I believe what you are talking about is called "chip coating"
in this neck of the woods. It is used to *extend* the life of
deteriorating asphalt roads rather than repaving since it is much
cheaper. Basically, as you say, they spray down some some low grade
oil/tar (not asphalt since asphalt by definition already includes the
aggregate) then spread gravel then either roll it in or if the town is
really cheap they wait for traffic to roll it in.

I personally hate *chip coating* since it leave the pavement very
bumpy (since the gravel doesn't get completely buried in the
underlying asphalt)which messes up inline skating for me. But it is
the cheap man's solution to repaving...

What the OP is talking about with seal-coating is typically a
latex-based superficial coat, more like a thick paint that is laid
down on top of an ashpalt driveway (although someone mentioned there
are also oil-based versions). There is no aggregate in the seal-coat.

I have heard alternative opinions about the benefits of seal-coating:

One side says it is really just superficial and is like painting your
driveway black -- looks good temporarily but does nothing physically
for the driveway.

The other school of thought says that it seals superficial cracks (you
can use other thicker similar compounds for thicker/deeper cracks) and
thus prolongs the life of the driveway. This would be especially true
in Northern climates where tiny cracks become bigger cracks with
freeze/thaw cycles. I'm not sure what the benefit is in southern
climates where there is no freezing to get into cracks.

In any case, I have been doing it about every other year (don't
believe the 7 or 10 year guarantees -- even the best stuff tends to
start chipping and cracking for me after 2-3 years here in New
England). I can say for sure that it makes my driveway look nice and
new and anecdotally that it seems to be preventing new cracks from
forming or expanding. YMMV.

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

blueman wrote:
"MB" writes:

I worked for the highway department for 2 summers in college. One was spent
laying asphalt and the other we seal coated highways all summer long. We
were definitely not seal coating roads that had new asphalt, they were at
least 5 years old, probably more. And these were highways with lots more
traffic than any driveway would ever get.
If it was my driveway, I would wait until the asphalt needed a little help
and then seal coat to make it last a little longer without spending the
extra money on a new asphalt job.
The seal coat job that we were doing is where we would spray down a layer of
asphalt, spread gravel over the top, roll it with a pneumatic roller and
then run a sweeper to remove the excess aggregate. Did I mention that this
was in the north Texas area with lots and lots of days over 100 for both of
those summers. It was a good experience that I never ever want to do again.
Matthew

That's not the same as the "seal coating" that the OP is talking
about. I believe what you are talking about is called "chip coating"
in this neck of the woods. It is used to *extend* the life of
deteriorating asphalt roads rather than repaving since it is much
cheaper. Basically, as you say, they spray down some some low grade
oil/tar (not asphalt since asphalt by definition already includes the
aggregate) then spread gravel then either roll it in or if the town is
really cheap they wait for traffic to roll it in.

I personally hate *chip coating* since it leave the pavement very
bumpy (since the gravel doesn't get completely buried in the
underlying asphalt)which messes up inline skating for me. But it is
the cheap man's solution to repaving...

What the OP is talking about with seal-coating is typically a
latex-based superficial coat, more like a thick paint that is laid
down on top of an ashpalt driveway (although someone mentioned there
are also oil-based versions). There is no aggregate in the seal-coat.

I have heard alternative opinions about the benefits of seal-coating:

One side says it is really just superficial and is like painting your
driveway black -- looks good temporarily but does nothing physically
for the driveway.

The other school of thought says that it seals superficial cracks (you
can use other thicker similar compounds for thicker/deeper cracks) and
thus prolongs the life of the driveway. This would be especially true
in Northern climates where tiny cracks become bigger cracks with
freeze/thaw cycles. I'm not sure what the benefit is in southern
climates where there is no freezing to get into cracks.

In any case, I have been doing it about every other year (don't
believe the 7 or 10 year guarantees -- even the best stuff tends to
start chipping and cracking for me after 2-3 years here in New
England). I can say for sure that it makes my driveway look nice and
new and anecdotally that it seems to be preventing new cracks from
forming or expanding. YMMV.


From my close inspection of the 40-some driveways in this blue-collar
semi-rural sub as I make my nightly walks, recoating every 3-4 years
with the quality glop (the sand-filled kind) does seem to extend the
lifespan. It does have one big downside, though, if your driveway is
sloped, like mine is. A quarter-inch of snow, or even a heavy frost,
makes the driveway almost impassable. Already cost me one transmission.

My neighbors tried to shame me into sealing mine last year, since the
coating previous owner put on 5 years ago is pretty well gone. Being a
klutz, I try to avoid close contact with 5-gallon buckets of substances
that Don't Wash Off. So, I called a couple of driveway companies for
their free estimates. Both of them told me not to waste my money- my
driveway is too far gone and needs replacing. Given the current housing
market, I'm reluctant to sink another 4 grand into this place, much less
the 6 or 7 grand a broom-finish concrete drive would cost. (That I could
actually use in winter without having to get the leaf blower out for
every trace of snow.)

--
aem sends...

Sealcoat a new driveway????
 

On Jul 12, 7:31�am, aemeijers wrote:
blueman wrote:
"MB" writes:

I worked for the highway department for 2 summers in college. �One was spent
laying asphalt and the other we seal coated highways all summer long. �We
were definitely not seal coating roads that had new asphalt, they were at
least 5 years old, probably more. �And these were highways with lots more
traffic than any driveway would ever get.
If it was my driveway, I would wait until the asphalt needed a little help
and then seal coat to make it last a little longer without spending the
extra money on a new asphalt job.
The seal coat job that we were doing is where we would spray down a layer of
asphalt, spread gravel over the top, roll it with a pneumatic roller and
then run a sweeper to remove the excess aggregate. �Did I mention that this
was in the north Texas area with lots and lots of days over 100 for both of
those summers. �It was a good experience that I never ever want to do again.
Matthew

That's not the same as the "seal coating" that the OP is talking
about. I believe what you are talking about is called "chip coating"
in this neck of the woods. It is used to *extend* the life of
deteriorating asphalt roads rather than repaving since it is much
cheaper. Basically, as you say, they spray down some some low grade
oil/tar (not asphalt since asphalt by definition already includes the
aggregate) then spread gravel then either roll it in or if the town is
really cheap they wait for traffic to roll it in.

I personally hate *chip coating* since it leave the pavement very
bumpy (since the gravel doesn't get completely buried in the
underlying asphalt)which messes up inline skating for me. But it is
the cheap man's solution to repaving...

What the OP is talking about with seal-coating is typically a
latex-based superficial coat, more like a thick paint that is laid
down on top of an ashpalt driveway (although someone mentioned there
are also oil-based versions). There is no aggregate in the seal-coat.

I have heard alternative opinions about the benefits of seal-coating:

One side says it is really just superficial and is like painting your
driveway black -- looks good temporarily but does nothing physically
for the driveway.

The other school of thought says that it seals superficial cracks (you
can use other thicker similar compounds for thicker/deeper cracks) and
thus prolongs the life of the driveway. This would be especially true
in Northern climates where tiny cracks become bigger cracks with
freeze/thaw cycles. I'm not sure what the benefit is in southern
climates where there is no freezing to get into cracks.

In any case, I have been doing it about every other year (don't
believe the 7 or 10 year guarantees -- even the best stuff tends to
start chipping and cracking for me after 2-3 years here in New
England). I can say for sure that it makes my driveway look nice and
new and anecdotally that it seems to be preventing new cracks from
forming or expanding. YMMV.

�From my close inspection of the 40-some driveways in this blue-collar
semi-rural sub as I make my nightly walks, recoating every 3-4 years
with the quality glop (the sand-filled kind) does seem to extend the
lifespan. It does have one big downside, though, if your driveway is
sloped, like mine is. A quarter-inch of snow, or even a heavy frost,
makes the driveway almost impassable. Already cost me one transmission.

My neighbors tried to shame me into sealing mine last year, since the
coating previous owner put on 5 years ago is pretty well gone. Being a
klutz, I try to avoid close contact with 5-gallon buckets of substances
that Don't Wash Off. So, I called a couple of driveway companies for
their free estimates. Both of them told me not to waste my money- my
driveway is too far gone and needs replacing. Given the current housing
market, I'm reluctant to sink another 4 grand into this place, much less
the 6 or 7 grand a broom-finish concrete drive would cost. (That I could
actually use in winter without having to get the leaf blower out for
every trace of snow.)

--
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two things.

public roads cant use regular sealer because it can make roads more
slippery. so they do the asphalt gravel thing to accomplish basically
the same thing/

on the driveway too bad to seal...... call a asphalt contrasctor who
can patch cheap coat the worst areas, then wait and seal everything.

even getting a handyman type to seal your existing driveway will
prevent futher detoriation and help its appearance.

incidently new sealers are water based, stuff that gets on you is
easily washed off

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bob haller wrote:
On Jul 12, 7:31�am, aemeijers wrote:
(snip)
My neighbors tried to shame me into sealing mine last year, since the
coating previous owner put on 5 years ago is pretty well gone. Being a
klutz, I try to avoid close contact with 5-gallon buckets of substances
that Don't Wash Off. So, I called a couple of driveway companies for
their free estimates. Both of them told me not to waste my money- my
driveway is too far gone and needs replacing. Given the current housing
market, I'm reluctant to sink another 4 grand into this place, much less
the 6 or 7 grand a broom-finish concrete drive would cost. (That I could
actually use in winter without having to get the leaf blower out for
every trace of snow.)

--
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- Show quoted text -

two things.

public roads cant use regular sealer because it can make roads more
slippery. so they do the asphalt gravel thing to accomplish basically
the same thing/

on the driveway too bad to seal...... call a asphalt contrasctor who
can patch cheap coat the worst areas, then wait and seal everything.

even getting a handyman type to seal your existing driveway will
prevent futher detoriation and help its appearance.

incidently new sealers are water based, stuff that gets on you is
easily washed off
Yeah, both companies offered the option of adding an inch- inch and a
half of asphalt, but they both said they would not guarantee it would
hold up. My existing drive is in really crappy shape already- painting
it with big-box sealer might make it look better from a distance, but it
probably would not help it last longer. Not smooth any more, chunks
coming out, etc. The proper repair is a rip and replace over new
substrate prep. There is one big patched spot already, where previous
owner obviously didn't do any prep underneath. And I will take an ugly
drive over buying another transmission.

I can afford a new drive, and may even break down and get it done come
fall, once their busy season is over and prices come down. But there is
SO much other stuff this place needs, and houses are not selling worth
a damn here lately. I just need to have the place presentable enough to
sell at not too much of a loss in 2-3 years when I leave town.

--
aem sends....

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On Jul 12, 10:29�am, aemeijers wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Jul 12, 7:31 am, aemeijers wrote:
(snip)
My neighbors tried to shame me into sealing mine last year, since the
coating previous owner put on 5 years ago is pretty well gone. Being a
klutz, I try to avoid close contact with 5-gallon buckets of substances
that Don't Wash Off. So, I called a couple of driveway companies for
their free estimates. Both of them told me not to waste my money- my
driveway is too far gone and needs replacing. Given the current housing
market, I'm reluctant to sink another 4 grand into this place, much less
the 6 or 7 grand a broom-finish concrete drive would cost. (That I could
actually use in winter without having to get the leaf blower out for
every trace of snow.)

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

two things.

public roads cant use regular sealer because it can make roads more
slippery. so they do the asphalt gravel thing to accomplish basically
the same thing/

on the driveway too bad to seal...... call a asphalt contrasctor who
can patch cheap coat the worst areas, then wait and seal everything.

even getting a handyman type to seal your existing driveway will
prevent futher detoriation and help its appearance.

incidently new sealers are water based, stuff that gets on you is
easily washed off

Yeah, both companies offered the option of adding an inch- inch and a
half of asphalt, but they both said they would not guarantee it would
hold up. My existing drive is in really crappy shape already- painting
it with big-box sealer might make it look better from a distance, but it
probably would not help it last longer. Not smooth any more, chunks
coming out, etc. The proper repair is a rip and replace over new
substrate prep. There is one big patched spot already, where previous
owner obviously didn't do any prep underneath. And I will take an ugly
drive over buying another transmission.

I can afford a new drive, and may even break down and get it done come
fall, once their busy season is over and prices come down. But there is
SO much other stuff this place needs, and houses are �not selling worth
a damn here lately. I just need to have the place presentable enough to
sell at not too much of a loss in 2-3 years when I leave town.

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well you should either replace the driveway, or seal it now along with
hole patching, then a thin coat right before sales time, or a brand
new driveway at that time.

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

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bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.

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In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.

And the only thing that really had an impact on the recovery then was
WW2. What's your prescription this time?

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On Jul 12, 4:45�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.

well its not that recovery might be in 2099, but not likely anytime
soon

most with retirement savings sawe it shrink by 1/2 and if recovery
begins inflation will make savings worth even less.

the after effects will take a generation to disappear

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:45:00 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.


Yeah, except the ones leaping from tall buildings :-\

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:14:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.

And the only thing that really had an impact on the recovery then was
WW2. What's your prescription this time?

It has been said that a war every ten or so years is good for the
economy. I'm not an economist, btw.

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Oren wrote:

And the only thing that really had an impact on the recovery then was
WW2. What's your prescription this time?

It has been said that a war every ten or so years is good for the
economy. I'm not an economist, btw.

Don't know about that, but combat helps keep the tip of the spear sharp.
It's said that, right now, virtually every field commander, from sergeant to
general, has lead men in combat. You can't BUY that kind of experience!

Then, too, there's recruiting. Who would join the military if there was very
little chance of killing people and blowing things up?

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Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.

And the only thing that really had an impact on the recovery then was
WW2. What's your prescription this time?

The government should do two things:
1. Back off its fiddling with the economy, and
2. Quit making noises about more fiddling.

Business is in the hunker-down mode because it's impossible to plan. No one
knows how cap-and-trade, taxes, health insurance, and a host of other
meddlesome interventions are going to affect one's business. As long as
uncertainty exists, businesses will refrain from expanding, concentrating
instead on avoiding contracting.

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Oren wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:45:00 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.


Yeah, except the ones leaping from tall buildings :-\

That's no longer an option: Modern buildings have few windows that can open.

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In article ,
aemeijers wrote:
....
....
that Don't Wash Off. So, I called a couple of driveway companies for
their free estimates. Both of them told me not to waste my money- my
^^^^ ^^^^^^^
driveway is too far gone and needs replacing. Given the current housing
^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^


To all in alt.home.repair:
when's the last time you heard ANY driveway company say OTHER than
exactly that?


David

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In article ,
bob haller wrote:
....
....

incidently new sealers are water based, stuff that gets on you is
easily washed off

And off the driveway itself, at the first hard rain.


Guy across the street uses that stuff (junk? HD! Big black can, more
than a foot in diameter, maybe 15in high.

I once lucked out in meeting a guy who worked for a repaving company;
did big parking-lots, special mix of sand and this and that, trucked
in from Pa (to New Rochelle, NY). Had a big trick with big tank on
back, looked like typical gasoline-truck. Lasted maybe four years
before we had to do it again.

Unfortunately, they caught him and fired him. So current I am
at a loss at what to do.


David

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In article ,
HeyBub wrote:
bob haller wrote:

Unfortunately I dont believe the economy will bounce back much.

way too much credit card and overal debt, perhaps 10 years for a
decent recovery.

the go go days are gone forever

That's what they said after the '29 stock market crash.



I heard one guys opinion, an interview, where he said
"recover to do like WHAT?". That we no longer manufacture
much anymore, "race to the bottom" in getting costs down
(hmmm -- wouldn't some countries call that "treason", shutting
down factories, shipping them overseas, and teaching THOSE
people (obvious potential enemies!) all the technology, all
so that "we" (guess who) have higher earnings.

We had a VERY nice run after WW2 -- we and the Germans had bombed everyone to
hell, hardly more than 10 or 20 bombs had hit our shores (was Alaska even a
state then? NO! When I was growing up (50's), we had 48 states on the flag!

FINALLY, they started to recover.

I recall Japanese transistor-radios (miracle of tight packaging!)
in late 50's, and their EXCELLENT cameras (early 60's); German cars,
cameeras, ...

But we were still the source of machine-tools, etc.

Then came the 70's, and the gap was narrowing.

Now we live on borrowed money, they say, and get away
with it ONLY because the dollar is the world's reserve
currency -- and how long can THAT last, really?

The game might actually be over.

Capitalism (well, let's call it "*Patriotic* Capitalism" made the
U.S. into the world's richest and most powerful conuntry.

In the last 20 or 30 years, that "patriotic" capitalism has
turned into "Gordon Gekko" (from the movie) capitalism, and
in the last maybe 15 years into "Gordon-Gekko-SQUARED Capitalism",
into now:

I want it ALL -- ALL ALL ALL!!! ALL of it. EVERYTHING!
So I'm screwing the small guy? **** him -- he deserves everything
he gets. MAYBE if he'd WORKED a little harder, and SMARTER,
to. Mother Nature -- that's what Darwin said. "Bloody in
tooth and claw". Survival of the fittest.

Damn, it's GOOD that's he's down in the dirt, groveling like
the worm he is. And early to get sick and die.

Help raise him up, give him another chance? NO WAY! He'd
just propagate himself a bunch -- exactly how it's NOT supposed
to work out!

Treason? Huh? You kidding? My collapsing of industries in
the U.S., moving them to China, Vietnam, Malaysia? To countries
that either will soon or have already been our DEADLY ENEMIES?

And you call that TREASON?

Wouldn't I have to be an AMERICAN for that to hold?

Look, you don't get it. We entrepreneurs who're out
there doing this kind of work, remaking the world --
We're not citizens of ANY particular country --
we're citizens OF THE WORLD!



I don't know. It's 3:24am. I go off for a few words on a tangent,
and I'm still typing an hour later. Not the first time, either!


Hey, Cheers! We're in the Garden of Eden, and everything is
in front of us. The gods are smiling, our children and their
children and their children's children, et al, life will just
be getting better and better and better.

And if it gets to croweded here, thanks to W. Bush we'll be
able to go to Mars -- the whole place is empty, wide open,
and heck, for something really big, there's Jupiter -- golly,
it'll take us a long time to fill up THAT place up, not even
for a LONG time having to live in 5-story houses, or apartment
buildings, the place is so big.

Gosh, I was born too soon. These young people today, entering
their teens, man have THEY got it made.

And all the while the stars and stripes will be flying from
Moscow and Peking, and Beh-jing too!

God, do I envy them!



David (the rarely-seen optimist part)

OT game might actually be over
 

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:34:41 +0000 (UTC), (David
Combs) wrote Re Sealcoat a new driveway????:

Then came the 70's, and the gap was narrowing.

Now we live on borrowed money, they say, and get away
with it ONLY because the dollar is the world's reserve
currency -- and how long can THAT last, really?

Not long. The Euro is gaining attractiveness as an alternative. China
is talking about switching from 100% dollar reserves to a mixed-bag of
various currencies. I would guess that over the next 8 - 10 years our
currency loses another 30% of it's value.

When that happens, we will have to start doing what we should have
started doing 20 years ago.

The game might actually be over.

No "might actually" about it. We are a financial "has been" nation
that doesn't realize it yet.
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replying to jw, My460 wrote:
I Googled and I'm seeing at least 6 to 9 mo. I'm having a driveway laid next
week. ..

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My460 wrote:

I Googled and I'm seeing at least 6 to 9 mo. I'm having a driveway laid next
week. ..

Yes. I had a 250' x 14' drive plus parking area laid in the spring, then
sealcoated in the fall just before it got too cold. Sealed every 2-3 years
thereafter and it's still looking almost new after 8 years with very little
weather damage in a very mixed climate. (-40 to +95).

Keep in mind getting the base right and not skimping on the asphalt depth is a
major factor in how long it lasts. I did 4" of asphalt over 6" of well packed
roadbase.

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replying to jw, Arthur (or Alberta) Costello wrote:
My neighbor just had a new asphalt driveway laid and a sealcoat contractor
told him he 'needs to' sealcoat the driveway 'now' to protect it. I can't find
out if that is really true or not, using Google. Anyone know?
Thanks
Duke

Owner of driveway construction told us to wait - I think he said a year
(maybe longer?, but not right away.

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To Blueman.
Asphalt does not have aggregate. Asphalt Concrete or AC has aggregate.
Note that the term concrete refers to much more than just portland cement mixtures.

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On 10/10/2016 6:02 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
To Blueman.
Asphalt does not have aggregate. Asphalt Concrete or AC has aggregate.
Note that the term concrete refers to much more than just portland cement mixtures.



oh brother.

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On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 10/10/2016 6:02 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
To Blueman.
Asphalt does not have aggregate. Asphalt Concrete or AC has aggregate.
Note that the term concrete refers to much more than just portland cement mixtures.



oh brother.

He probably argues over calling a tissue not made by Kleenex a
Kleenex too. Or calling a copy a Xerox, if not made by a Xerox
machine, etc.

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replying to Arthur (or Alberta) Costello, Gary Clark wrote:
Even though this is an old post, I thought I would add to the conversation for
those who may happen upon this in the future.

I have worked in the road maintenance and improvement industry for the last 9
years, and have had good conversations with civil engineers who have focused
on roads. I am currently an asphalt sealcoating contractor. Our goal is to
look out for the homeowner and we hate it when other contractors "stick it" to
the homeowner.

Does a driveway need sealcoating soon after the asphalt is applied? The
simple answer is no. Asphalt should hold it's own for a few years at least.
As many have mentioned, the roads don't get sealed. This is true, but roads
are usually also engineered MUCH stronger than a driveway. That said, I
recommend waiting until you start seeing some slight cracking in the driveway
before sealing coating. This cracking may be an indication of a poor
subgrade, which sealcoating unfortunately cannot cure. But the sealcoating
CAN keep help seal the cracks and help keep water and ice from expanding those
cracks further. The danger is water getting to the subgrade and starting to
wash the sand out from under the asphalt, causing further degradation.

If you have larger cracks, it is helpful to fill them with a commercial grade
Acrylic crack filler. By larger, I mean the width of a pencil eraser or
greater.

For more thoughts on questions to ask your asphalt sealcoating contractor,
visit this link:
https://sharbrador.wordpress.com/201...ating-asphalt/

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