A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

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On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

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And houses explode from gas leaks, bad wiring can cause a fire, and
you can get hit by a car crossing the street. I keep my tank in the
house. It must of been a crapy old rusted tank to leak.

on 4/22/2009 1:51 PM (ET) Malcolm Hoar wrote the following:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None in my house. The propane tanks stay hooked up to my barbecue grill
in the yard, or stored in the cabinet under the grill. That is all year
round, including hot Summers and below freezing Winters. I take out the
tank stored under the grill when using the grill to prevent overheating
from the lit grill. No fuel is stored anywhere in my house, including
the garage, which is too full to get a car in there.

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In article , ransley wrote:

And houses explode from gas leaks, bad wiring can cause a fire, and
you can get hit by a car crossing the street.

Yup, **** happens.

I keep my tank in the house.

Probably not wise. Many fire marshals suggest that BBQ propane
tanks be stored outside, preferably on a concrete slab, away
from ignition sources and combustible materials.

Most places that sell tanks and refills seem to do the same,
with a locked (and grounded) cage for protection. I assume
that's required by one or more regulations.

It must of been a crappy old rusted tank to leak.

It might have been the valve or hose -- they typically
fail before the tank casing. Or maybe it was stored in a
damp area resulting in accelerated corrosion.

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wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:21 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried

Or he hit the remote or pushbutton which started the door operator.

Malcolm Hoar wrote:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None, keeping a propane tank inside is just asking for trouble.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:21 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried

The NFPA calls for 10' for tanks over 125gallons [and under
2001gallons]. My 100gallon tank is adjacent to the house and meets
all codes.

http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/Ab....asp?DocNum=58

Jim

In article , wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:21 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried

I think these were small (20 pound?) BBQ tanks.

I don't believe those codes would apply here although I
suspect there are various regulations applicable to the
sale and transport of even small tanks.

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My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried


Heck, it should be "ESPECIALLY" if they are buried. Gas has a funny way of
traveling underground and entering basements.

The NFPA calls for 10' for tanks over 125gallons [and under
2001gallons]. My 100gallon tank is adjacent to the house and meets
all codes.

I'm not sure just how big a 125 gallon tank is but I suspect it's the one
that's about 5' high and a little more that 3' in diameter. I have seen
BANKS of them put right outside of restaurants and two put next to a home.

Maybe they use the BANKS just so they can keep them closer in. Once the
fuel truck comes in it's only a little more trouble to fill several tanks
one after the other.

On Apr 22, 12:59*pm, ransley wrote:
On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:



A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

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And houses explode from gas leaks, bad wiring can cause a fire, and
you can get hit by a car crossing the street. I keep my tank in the
house. It must of been a crapy old rusted tank to leak.

Nope...could easily be a valve that failed...happens all the time.

Or the temperature rises and they vent.

I have known of two houses that have exploded because of propane
tanks..both new ones recently purchased.

Propane is heavier than air and will pool in the lower areas.

Any ignition source....*BOOM*.

Anyone who keeps a propane tank inside is a fool.

TMT

Malcolm Hoar wrote:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

I recall getting homeowners insurance at one time where there was a
clause in the policy that stated that you could not keep gasoline in the
house, and wondered about where people would keep fuel for a lawnmower.
I don't recall anything being mentioned about propane.

On Apr 22, 11:22*am, willshak wrote:
on 4/22/2009 1:51 PM (ET) Malcolm Hoar wrote the following:





A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None in my house. The propane tanks stay hooked up to my barbecue grill
in the yard, or stored in the cabinet under the grill. That is all year
round, including hot Summers and below freezing Winters. I take out the
tank stored under the grill when using the grill to prevent overheating
from the lit grill. No fuel is stored anywhere in my house, including
the garage, which is too full to get a car in there.

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How about your camp gear? Lantern? Stove? I had an almost full quart
butane canister leak down after I removed it from the lantern. Then
there are the hand torch small tanks that could do the same. I never
have had one of those leak though.

Harry K

on 4/23/2009 9:34 AM (ET) harry k wrote the following:
On Apr 22, 11:22 am, willshak wrote:

on 4/22/2009 1:51 PM (ET) Malcolm Hoar wrote the following:






A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None in my house. The propane tanks stay hooked up to my barbecue grill
in the yard, or stored in the cabinet under the grill. That is all year
round, including hot Summers and below freezing Winters. I take out the
tank stored under the grill when using the grill to prevent overheating
from the lit grill. No fuel is stored anywhere in my house, including
the garage, which is too full to get a car in there.

--

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How about your camp gear? Lantern? Stove? I had an almost full quart
butane canister leak down after I removed it from the lantern. Then
there are the hand torch small tanks that could do the same. I never
have had one of those leak though.

Harry K

Sorry, I don't go camping. I did forget one thing though. I do keep my
fueled up snow blower equipped tractor in my attached garage in the
Winter, only because I can't keep it in the unheated detached shed. The
throttle and choke cables freeze up and it can't be started. I have to
push it out into the snow and try to warm up the cables with a small
propane torch, which, by the way, is also kept in the attached garage
all year.

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In article , harry k wrote:

How about your camp gear? Lantern? Stove? I had an almost full quart
butane canister leak down after I removed it from the lantern. Then
there are the hand torch small tanks that could do the same. I never
have had one of those leak though.

Out of interest, I briefly perused a number of propane storage
recommendations. Quantities of 1 pound and less are not really
viewed a significant hazard, in the house or garage.

There's no doubt that the 20 and 40 pound cylinders should
be stored outside.

The small propane (or butane) torches, camping stoves etc.
are probably quite safe PROVIDED they're checked from
time to time and in sound condition.

I did also audit my garage for other hazards -- a useful
exercise I think. I found:

* Mineral spirits (metal can)
* Denatured alcohol (metal can)
* Insecticdes

The quantities are not sufficient to represent a signifant
risk I think. All are stored on high shelves since I have
kids and don't want them messing with those items.

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On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

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After you've seen the aftermath of a house explosion from a NG leak,
you get religion and keep the propane tanks outdoors. A house in my
neighborhood blew up because of NG, killed an elderly couple instantly
(dryer fitting was leaking) at 5AM when they woke up. The explosion
and concussion was heard 2 miles away, house was leveled. My propane
stays attached to the grill all year with valve off, never had a
problem running the grill, see no reason whatsoever to bring the tank
indoors.

On Apr 22, 7:22*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:21 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried

I think these were small (20 pound?) BBQ tanks.

I don't believe those codes would apply here although I
suspect there are various regulations applicable to the
sale and transport of even small tanks.


Actually, I would bet that many states have fire code laws that
prohibit the storage of propane tanks inside a home garage. They are
probably not widely followed or enforced though.








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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 12:59 pm, ransley wrote:
On Apr 22, 12:51 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:



A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital
Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his
family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley
Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the
Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the
Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static
electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage
of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when
Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

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And houses explode from gas leaks, bad wiring can cause a fire, and
you can get hit by a car crossing the street. I keep my tank in the
house. It must of been a crapy old rusted tank to leak.

Nope...could easily be a valve that failed...happens all the time.

Or the temperature rises and they vent.

I have known of two houses that have exploded because of propane
tanks..both new ones recently purchased.

Propane is heavier than air and will pool in the lower areas.

Any ignition source....*BOOM*.

Anyone who keeps a propane tank inside is a fool.

TMT

This can't ever happen to me because the government made me buy all new
tanks with Overfill Protection Valves. Nothing can go wrong now.

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:34:41 -0700 (PDT), harry k
wrote:

On Apr 22, 11:22Â*am, willshak wrote:
on 4/22/2009 1:51 PM (ET) Malcolm Hoar wrote the following:





A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT €” A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators €” with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives €” determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source €” static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None in my house. The propane tanks stay hooked up to my barbecue grill
in the yard, or stored in the cabinet under the grill. That is all year
round, including hot Summers and below freezing Winters. I take out the
tank stored under the grill when using the grill to prevent overheating
from the lit grill. No fuel is stored anywhere in my house, including
the garage, which is too full to get a car in there.

--

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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How about your camp gear? Lantern? Stove? I had an almost full quart
butane canister leak down after I removed it from the lantern. Then
there are the hand torch small tanks that could do the same. I never
have had one of those leak though.

Harry K
I have. I don't take them off the torch any more untill they are
empty.

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On Apr 22, 7:22 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:51:21 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage
of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when
Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

My bet, arc from the light switch. Most fire codes these days say
propane tanks have to be 10' from the house, even if they are buried

I think these were small (20 pound?) BBQ tanks.

I don't believe those codes would apply here although I
suspect there are various regulations applicable to the
sale and transport of even small tanks.


Actually, I would bet that many states have fire code laws that
prohibit the storage of propane tanks inside a home garage. They are
probably not widely followed or enforced though.

I'm not sure if it's a law or not but my propane tanks state "do not keep
indoors." I asked some firemen once how I should store any flammables that
I have on hand (lacquer thinner, paint thinner, gasoline for mowers etc) and
they said "it's your property you can do whatever you want." I was hoping
for something more specific.

I have read several times that IF you have a propane tank inside your home
and IF your house burns down the insurance company won't honor your claim.
I don't know if that applies if they are in the garage or a shed.









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In article , "Ulysses" In California, the Totalitarianism State wrote:

Actually, I would bet that many states have fire code laws that
prohibit the storage of propane tanks inside a home garage. They are
probably not widely followed or enforced though.

I think not for small quantities.

Many/most jurisdictions appear to use NFPA 58.

http://www.nfpa.org/faq.asp?categoryID=924#22963

Q: What restrictions apply to the stoarge of propane cylinders in buildings?


A: The storage of propane in buildings is limited:

Buildings frequented by the public are limited to cylinders with a
propane capacity of 1 pound. The total quantity stored is limited
to 200 pounds of propane.

Buildings not frequented by the public are limited to a maximum quantity
of 300 pounds of propane. The cylinder size is not restricted.

Thus the storage of a few 20/40 pound cylinders in a private
residence seems essentially unregulated.

Of course, appartments and condos frequently have additional
restrictions imposed by the governing authority and for very
good reasons. Propane cylinders on the fifth floor balcony
of a complex is probably asking for trouble.





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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ulysses" In California,
the Totalitarianism State wrote:

Actually, I would bet that many states have fire code laws that
prohibit the storage of propane tanks inside a home garage. They are
probably not widely followed or enforced though.

I think not for small quantities.

Many/most jurisdictions appear to use NFPA 58.

http://www.nfpa.org/faq.asp?categoryID=924#22963

Q: What restrictions apply to the stoarge of propane cylinders in
buildings?


A: The storage of propane in buildings is limited:

Buildings frequented by the public are limited to cylinders with a
propane capacity of 1 pound. The total quantity stored is limited
to 200 pounds of propane.

Buildings not frequented by the public are limited to a maximum quantity
of 300 pounds of propane. The cylinder size is not restricted.

Thus the storage of a few 20/40 pound cylinders in a private
residence seems essentially unregulated.

Of course, appartments and condos frequently have additional
restrictions imposed by the governing authority and for very
good reasons. Propane cylinders on the fifth floor balcony
of a complex is probably asking for trouble.





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Your worried about storing gasoline , grill propane or other flammables in
your garage and yet park your cars ATV's and other GAS filled toys in it red
hot after driving??? Jesh, ever wonder why a FIRE wall is required if garage
is attached to your house??? Why even have a garage if you can't have
flammables and your CAR in it???? LOL....

SMS wrote:
Malcolm Hoar wrote:
A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital
Monday after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when
his family's Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley
Medical Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents
from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives —
determined that the Saturday night explosion was caused by an unlikely
ignition source — static electricity from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the
garage of the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited
when Stacker entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

I recall getting homeowners insurance at one time where there was a
clause in the policy that stated that you could not keep gasoline in the
house, and wondered about where people would keep fuel for a lawnmower.
I don't recall anything being mentioned about propane.

ya, i wonder where they expect you to park your car? Seems it's a big
fuel container also to me.

In article , "benick" wrote:

Your worried about storing gasoline , grill propane or other flammables in
your garage and yet park your cars ATV's and other GAS filled toys in it red
hot after driving???

Yes. There's a big difference. I check my car (virtually)
every single day.

When folks store propane tanks in the garage, they tend to go
unchecked for very long periods.

In the case of the explosion that was the original topic of
this thread, a homeowner had stored several propane tanks
in his garage but not used/inspected them for a period of
some years I think. That is when failure of valves and/or
hoses can arise, even corrosion of the tank itself.

One also has to balance practical considerations with the
quest for safety. Failing to park ones car in the garage
can, at least to some extent, defeat the purpose of having
a garage. It would be like owning a very nice gourmet
kitchen but being scared to cook any actual food in it due
to the fire risk.

For most folks it's probably not that ardous to find a
safer storage location outside of the home.

As an aside, if was to store any gasoline/propane powered
machine (e.g. gasoline powered lawn mover) in my garage for
an extended period (like the winter) I would DEFINITELY
drain the gas tank. This for safety and other reasons.

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On Apr 23, 7:43*am, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , harry k wrote:

How about your camp gear? *Lantern? Stove? *I had an almost full quart
butane canister leak down after I removed it from the lantern. *Then
there are the hand torch small tanks that could do the same. *I never
have had one of those leak though.

Out of interest, I briefly perused a number of propane storage
recommendations. Quantities of 1 pound and less are not really
viewed a significant hazard, in the house or garage.

There's no doubt that the 20 and 40 pound cylinders should
be stored outside.

The small propane (or butane) torches, camping stoves etc.
are probably quite safe PROVIDED they're checked from
time to time and in sound condition.

I did also audit my garage for other hazards -- a useful
exercise I think. I found:

* Mineral spirits (metal can)
* Denatured alcohol (metal can)
* Insecticdes

The quantities are not sufficient to represent a signifant
risk I think. All are stored on high shelves since I have
kids and don't want them messing with those items.

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Hmmm...brings up a thought. My garage is loaded with various
substances in 'rattle' cans. Not dangerous if they leak but highly
dangerous if in the middle of a fire. I wonder if fire fighters
automatically assume that there will be spray cans in house/garage/
shop fires. I used to toss them into my burn barrel but one incident
of finding the blown out top 'frizbee' laying where I was mowing 100
ft away from the barrel cured me of that. Then the state banned burn
barrels sso...

Harry K

"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "benick"
wrote:

Your worried about storing gasoline , grill propane or other flammables in
your garage and yet park your cars ATV's and other GAS filled toys in it
red
hot after driving???

Yes. There's a big difference. I check my car (virtually)
every single day.

When folks store propane tanks in the garage, they tend to go
unchecked for very long periods.

In the case of the explosion that was the original topic of
this thread, a homeowner had stored several propane tanks
in his garage but not used/inspected them for a period of
some years I think. That is when failure of valves and/or
hoses can arise, even corrosion of the tank itself.

That is an extreme case , unlikely to occur storing your grill and propane
tank over the winter in your garage....

One also has to balance practical considerations with the
quest for safety. Failing to park ones car in the garage
can, at least to some extent, defeat the purpose of having
a garage. It would be like owning a very nice gourmet
kitchen but being scared to cook any actual food in it due
to the fire risk.

True and your car is probably the most dangerouse thing stored in your
garage...

For most folks it's probably not that ardous to find a
safer storage location outside of the home.

As an aside, if was to store any gasoline/propane powered
machine (e.g. gasoline powered lawn mover) in my garage for
an extended period (like the winter) I would DEFINITELY
drain the gas tank. This for safety and other reasons.

Why???A little Stabil will do fine...An un-used mower isn't likely to
suddenly leak and spontaniously combust sitting un-used in the winter...It's
more likely to happen right after using it in the summer...LOL...A little
common sense goes a long ways but there is such a thing as over doing
it...LOL...

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
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In article , "benick" wrote:

Why???A little Stabil will do fine...An un-used mower isn't likely to
suddenly leak and spontaniously combust sitting un-used in the winter...

Probably not. But I'd invest some time cleaning and oiling
the thing before the winter storage. Draining the fuel,
flushing the tank, lines, and filter is perfectly normal
preventative maintenance that will only add a couple more
minutes to the job.

It means I'll start the new season with a properly stored
and maintained mower and with fresh versus stale fuel.

Of course, you're welcome to toss your wet, mud-covered,
fully-fueled mower in the garage. I doubt it will explode.
But the chances are it won't start (easily) next spring
either!

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In article , harry k wrote:

Hmmm...brings up a thought. My garage is loaded with various
substances in 'rattle' cans. Not dangerous if they leak but highly
dangerous if in the middle of a fire. I wonder if fire fighters
automatically assume that there will be spray cans in house/garage/
shop fires.

I'm sure most veteran firefighters have seen exploding cans
of spray paint, solvents etc. many, many times. Yep, I
thinks it's a sure bet that most firefighters are fully
aware of the issues with garages. Just standard operating
procedure.

Fortunately, the kinds of quantities stored in domestic
garages are insufficent to present a huge danger. Their
normal operational dress is likely sufficient to
protect them from those relatively small explosions.

Of course, industrial premises store MUCH larger and
more hazardous quantities. But there's a host of codes,
regulations and procedures to provide additional safety.

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
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On Apr 22, 1:51*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:

I keep about four propane tanks in the garage (although two are
empty at the moment).

Of course, it's a detached garage about 30 feet away from the house.
Built of concrete block, with a flimsy wooden roof (the original
owner/builder of my spread was a stonemason, but not much of a
carpenter).

I suppose the cars are at risk, but life (as other posters have
pointed out) is full of risk.

Cindy Hamilton

In article , Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Of course, it's a detached garage about 30 feet away from the house.

Seems reasonable to me.

Built of concrete block, with a flimsy wooden roof (the original
owner/builder of my spread was a stonemason, but not much of a
carpenter).

Well, if she blows, with a little luck, it will blow the
roof clean off leaving the walls intact ;-)

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| Gary Player. |
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "benick"
wrote:

Why???A little Stabil will do fine...An un-used mower isn't likely to
suddenly leak and spontaniously combust sitting un-used in the winter...

Probably not. But I'd invest some time cleaning and oiling
the thing before the winter storage. Draining the fuel,
flushing the tank, lines, and filter is perfectly normal
preventative maintenance that will only add a couple more
minutes to the job.

It means I'll start the new season with a properly stored
and maintained mower and with fresh versus stale fuel.

Of course, you're welcome to toss your wet, mud-covered,
fully-fueled mower in the garage. I doubt it will explode.
But the chances are it won't start (easily) next spring
either!

Bull****...It starts fine every year..I just fired it up today....Wet mud
covered mower???What do you mow a swamp???LOL....I most always scrape the
underside of my mower after each use to prevent build up , not just once a
year....I change the oil a few times a year as well....LOL..

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
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"benick" wrote in message
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "benick"
wrote:

Why???A little Stabil will do fine...An un-used mower isn't likely to
suddenly leak and spontaniously combust sitting un-used in the winter...

Probably not. But I'd invest some time cleaning and oiling
the thing before the winter storage. Draining the fuel,
flushing the tank, lines, and filter is perfectly normal
preventative maintenance that will only add a couple more
minutes to the job.

It means I'll start the new season with a properly stored
and maintained mower and with fresh versus stale fuel.

Of course, you're welcome to toss your wet, mud-covered,
fully-fueled mower in the garage. I doubt it will explode.
But the chances are it won't start (easily) next spring
either!

Bull****...It starts fine every year..I just fired it up today....Wet mud
covered mower???What do you mow a swamp???LOL....I most always scrape the
underside of my mower after each use to prevent build up , not just once a
year....I change the oil a few times a year as well....LOL..

You're supposed to change the oil in lawnmowers?

Just kidding, sorta. If you figure that you use the mower for 20 minutes
once a week for half the year that's only about 8 or 9 hours a year. If the
recommended oil change is every 50 hours then it only needs to be changed
every 6 years or therabouts. Unless you are one of those people who change
it every 3 months just because it's been sitting in there and are worried
about a little condensation getting into the oil. I have changed the oil on
my 22 1/2 year-old mower perhaps 3 or 4 times. Personally I always add
Sta-Bil to the last little bit of gas, run it til it runs out, then drain
the carb, take off the float bowl, remove the float and jet, spray with carb
cleaner, but back together, and pull the rope until resistance is felt. It
almost always starts the first pull the next season. OTOH I would bet that
by just using Sta-Bil it would be just fine, but I'm not a very lucky guy.

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| Gary Player. |
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"Ulysses" wrote in message
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"benick" wrote in message
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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In article , "benick"
wrote:

You're supposed to change the oil in lawnmowers?

Just kidding, sorta. If you figure that you use the mower for 20 minutes
once a week for half the year that's only about 8 or 9 hours a year. If
the
recommended oil change is every 50 hours then it only needs to be changed
every 6 years or therabouts.

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in less
than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50 hours
pretty fast.

On Apr 25, 5:20*am, "h" wrote:
"Ulysses" wrote in message

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"benick" wrote in message
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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In article , "benick"
wrote:
You're supposed to change the oil in lawnmowers?

Just kidding, sorta. *If you figure that you use the mower for 20 minutes
once a week for half the year that's only about 8 or 9 hours a year. *If
the
recommended oil change is every 50 hours then it only needs to be changed
every 6 years or therabouts.

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in less
than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50 hours
pretty fast.

??? I have approximately 2 acres minus the building footprints (small
house, 2 car garage, and two small outbuildings. Ijust mowed 1/2 of it
yesterday in far less than 1 hour.

Harry K

"h" wrote in message

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in
less than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50
hours pretty fast.


If I had to spend more than two hours, I'd let it go to hay or whatever
comes up naturally. Some people get their jollies cutting the lawn, but
there is more to life than a big green pasture.

On Apr 25, 11:11*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"h" wrote in message

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in
less than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50
hours pretty fast.

If I had to spend more than two hours, I'd let it go to hay or whatever
comes up naturally. *Some people get their jollies cutting the lawn, but
there is more to life than a big green pasture.

I have a big yard and got tired of cutting all of it so I quit cutting
all but about a 1/4 acre the house is on. The neihbors srated
complaining so I seeded the "wild area" in wild flowers.

I have a 20 year old lawn mower that I only change the oil in once a
year sometimes every other year. I just set it out on the curb less
the engine, it still works good but the rest of it is worn out,

Jimmie

"h" wrote in message
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"Ulysses" wrote in message
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"benick" wrote in message
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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In article , "benick"
wrote:

You're supposed to change the oil in lawnmowers?

Just kidding, sorta. If you figure that you use the mower for 20
minutes
once a week for half the year that's only about 8 or 9 hours a year. If
the
recommended oil change is every 50 hours then it only needs to be
changed
every 6 years or therabouts.

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in
less
than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50 hours
pretty fast.



A typical tract house in South California usually has a lot of only 7000
sq/ft, and lately they are making them a lot smaller. My last house was on
3/4 acre and had a pretty big front lawn but it still only took 15-20
minutes to mow it. Right now I have 20 acres and no lawn but I do have to
mow weeds a few times a year. But that doesn't really count.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:20:33 -0400, "h"
wrote:


"Ulysses" wrote in message
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"benick" wrote in message
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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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In article , "benick"
wrote:

You're supposed to change the oil in lawnmowers?

Just kidding, sorta. If you figure that you use the mower for 20 minutes
once a week for half the year that's only about 8 or 9 hours a year. If
the
recommended oil change is every 50 hours then it only needs to be changed
every 6 years or therabouts.

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in less
than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50 hours
pretty fast.


I have about 9,000 square feet to mow. It takes about an hour (with
21-inch 5.5 HP mower).

Also, I change the oil in it once a year.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

JIMMIE wrote in
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On Apr 25, 11:11*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"h" wrote in message

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the
lawn in less than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go
through 50 hours pretty fast.

If I had to spend more than two hours, I'd let it go to hay or
whatever comes up naturally. *Some people get their jollies cutting
the lawn, bu
t
there is more to life than a big green pasture.

I have a big yard and got tired of cutting all of it so I quit cutting
all but about a 1/4 acre the house is on. The neihbors srated
complaining so I seeded the "wild area" in wild flowers.

I have a 20 year old lawn mower that I only change the oil in once a
year sometimes every other year. I just set it out on the curb less
the engine, it still works good but the rest of it is worn out,

Jimmie

Spouse mowes the "lawn (~10x25 ft) using a nicely functioning push mower.

Rest of yard is beautiful.
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Best regards
Han
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news

"h" wrote in message

You must have a postage stamp sized property if you can mow the lawn in
less than two hours. Those of us with sizable yards can go through 50
hours pretty fast.


If I had to spend more than two hours, I'd let it go to hay or whatever
comes up naturally. Some people get their jollies cutting the lawn, but
there is more to life than a big green pasture.

I mow about an acre or so of about 2 1/2 acres that we own with 2 push
mowers...Good exercise for us...Takes us about 2 hours or so including
trimming.....Helps to keep the bugs down...Here in Maine we have bumper
crops of Blackflies and Mosquitos....

On Apr 22, 2:22*pm, willshak wrote:
on 4/22/2009 1:51 PM (ET) Malcolm Hoar wrote the following:



A few days ago a home exploded not far from where I live.

I just read the result of the investigations into that
incident:

FREMONT — A 65-year-old Fremont man remained in a San Jose hospital Monday
after suffering second-degree burns to his face and arms when his family's
Warm Springs home exploded and burned over the weekend.

As Charles Stacker Sr. lay sedated in an intensive care unit at Valley Medical
Center, Fremont fire investigators — with the help of agents from the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — determined that the Saturday
night explosion was caused by an unlikely ignition source — static electricity
from Stacker's body.

According to investigators, a leaking propane tank had filled the garage of
the Stacker home on Camphor Avenue with gas that was ignited when Stacker
entered the garage to check on a hissing noise.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12185896

None in my house. The propane tanks stay hooked up to my barbecue grill
in the yard, or stored in the cabinet under the grill. That is all year
round, including hot Summers and below freezing Winters. I take out the
tank stored under the grill when using the grill to prevent overheating
from the lit grill. No fuel is stored anywhere in my house, including
the garage, which is too full to get a car in there.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

"I take out the tank stored under the grill when using the grill
to prevent overheating from the lit grill."

I can't recall ever owning a grill that wasn't *designed* to have the
tank stored under the grill when in use. They've all had bases and
clamps to hold the tank in place. With my current grill the hose is so
short you have to mount the tank first before you can attached the
regulator.

If overheating was an issue, I don't think they would have designed
them like that.