David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...



I am not a plumber, but have probably set about 15 toilets in my life. Years ago
I never had a ring fall off. In the last couple of years I noticed that they do
tend to fall off quite easily. I now put them on the floor fixture. Just seems a
lot easier.

I would be interested also as to what the pro's are doing.
Chris

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

In article m,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

On 3/19/2009 9:30 PM Smitty Two spake thus:

In article m,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

Hmm; from that site:

"NO MORE GUESSING if there is a seal with the bottom of the toilet like
with wax rings."

I like that. Thanks for that info.



--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

On Mar 20, 12:30*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
*David Nebenzahl wrote:





OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I had about 10 replaced, one guy used one of the rubber ones, it was
the only one that leaked fumes and we pulled the toilet and put wax
back on.

On Mar 20, 12:29*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: *One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

There are instructions to read, gee I have been doing it wrong all
these years and putting them on the floor.

David Nebenzahl wrote:

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...


I am not a professional plumber but I've set maybe half a dozen toilets
and each time I put the wax ring down on the floor and then eased the
toilet down over it. I've never had a leak.

I learned how to do this by watching a professional.



Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerd at carolina.rr.com

David Nebenzahl wrote in
s.com:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah,
right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the
toilet, then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just
plain didn't work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell
off and just would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the
toilet, or I couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without
knocking them out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually
made a hole in the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave
this to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation
...



I've done a half dozen or so. Wax ring on the floor. It holds the bolts
in place vertical nicely.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...



I always set the ring on the floor flange and use it to help hold the
bolts vertical, then lower the toilet onto them. Sticking it to the
toilet is a fantasy.

s

On Mar 20, 12:29*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: *One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
Chine wax ring, chinese instructions?

On Mar 19, 10:30*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
*David Nebenzahl wrote:





OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep. I'll never go back to that mess of wax again. One of the
advantages is that you can pull and replace the toilet without
changing the gizmo.

Harry K

On Mar 20, 6:43*am, Steve Barker wrote:

I always set the ring on the floor flange and use it to help hold the
bolts vertical, then lower the toilet onto them. *Sticking it to the
toilet is a fantasy.

Y'all realize that you have to press the ring onto the toilet, and
that the ring needs to be the right temperature?

It's pretty easy.

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons:

I always place the ring on the flange, note the fore/aft position of
the discharge opening and set 'er down.

Haven't missed yet.
-----

- gpsman

On 3/20/2009 7:50 AM gpsman spake thus:

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons:

I always place the ring on the flange, note the fore/aft position of
the discharge opening and set 'er down.

Haven't missed yet.

Thanks. So the consensus here (factoring out Ransley's usual incoherent
responses) seems to be that The Instructions are wrong, or at least that
it's better not to follow them.

As to whoever asked about following the instructions *and* making sure
you have the proper temperature, that's fine, but what if you're
installing a toilet in a cold basement? Are you supposed to rent a
gigantic heater just to get the damn wax ring to the requisite 70 degrees?

That Fernco rubber doohickey is looking better to me all the time.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

On Mar 20, 3:03*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 3/20/2009 7:50 AM gpsman spake thus:

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons:

I always place the ring on the flange, note the fore/aft position of
the discharge opening and set 'er down.

Haven't missed yet.

Thanks. So the consensus here (factoring out Ransley's usual incoherent
responses) seems to be that The Instructions are wrong, or at least that
it's better not to follow them.

As to whoever asked about following the instructions *and* making sure
you have the proper temperature, that's fine, but what if you're
installing a toilet in a cold basement? Are you supposed to rent a
gigantic heater just to get the damn wax ring to the requisite 70 degrees?

That Fernco rubber doohickey is looking better to me all the time.

--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: *One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

Are you having a bad day, and cant understand. Go ahead and try that
rubber thing, I had two leak sewer gas, instaled from a pro that said
they were the best. Wax has been working in billions of toilets and
is proven.

On Mar 20, 4:03*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 3/20/2009 7:50 AM gpsman spake thus:

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons:

I always place the ring on the flange, note the fore/aft position of
the discharge opening and set 'er down.

Haven't missed yet.

Thanks. So the consensus here (factoring out Ransley's usual incoherent
responses) seems to be that The Instructions are wrong, or at least that
it's better not to follow them.

I say, in this case, whatever works. Ring on flange precludes me
getting wax on the floor.

Are you supposed to rent a
gigantic heater just to get the damn wax ring to the requisite 70 degrees?

Pfft. I suspect as long as it's not nearly frozen... but you can
always warm the ring itself by your method of preference.

That Fernco rubber doohickey is looking better to me all the time.

I'd just be more comfortable that wax would seal out gases, but I'd
bet it works just fine.
-----

- gpsman

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal



The Fernco rubber things work great! Clean the bottom of the toilet with
alcohol before putting them on, but once on, they will not come off.

On Mar 20, 1:40*pm, ransley wrote:
On Mar 20, 3:03*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:





On 3/20/2009 7:50 AM gpsman spake thus:

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons:

I always place the ring on the flange, note the fore/aft position of
the discharge opening and set 'er down.

Haven't missed yet.

Thanks. So the consensus here (factoring out Ransley's usual incoherent
responses) seems to be that The Instructions are wrong, or at least that
it's better not to follow them.

As to whoever asked about following the instructions *and* making sure
you have the proper temperature, that's fine, but what if you're
installing a toilet in a cold basement? Are you supposed to rent a
gigantic heater just to get the damn wax ring to the requisite 70 degrees?

That Fernco rubber doohickey is looking better to me all the time.

--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: *One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

Are you having a bad day, and cant understand. Go ahead and try that
rubber thing, I had two leak sewer gas, instaled from a pro that said
they were the best.

So you replaced anothe toilet between this morning and this evening?
From this morning's post:

Quote: I had about 10 replaced, one guy used one of the rubber ones,
it was
the only one that leaked fumes and we pulled the toilet and put wax
back on.

Unquote:


Wax has been working *in billions of toilets and
is proven.- Hide quoted text -

The Model T worked great for almost 20 years also.

Harry K

Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah, right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the toilet,
then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just plain didn't
work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell off and just
would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the toilet, or I
couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without knocking them
out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually made a hole in
the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked in
both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage, and
there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

That is neat. Will keep that in mind for the next time. I wonder how long they
last compared to wax seals.

Chris

Chris wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah,
right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the
toilet, then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just
plain didn't work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell
off and just would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the
toilet, or I couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without
knocking them out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually
made a hole in the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked
in both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage,
and there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave
this to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

That is neat. Will keep that in mind for the next time. I wonder how
long they last compared to wax seals.

Chris

Who knows? Wax seals have been proven in use for a long long time.

On Mar 20, 1:29*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

--

Smash the wax onto the toilet using your thumb (don't kill it, just
push down onto it at the edge in 4-5 places). Lower onto hole.

On Mar 22, 4:19*am, George wrote:
Chris wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
*David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah,
right!).

I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.

The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the
toilet, then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just
plain didn't work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell
off and just would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the
toilet, or I couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without
knocking them out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually
made a hole in the ring. Aaaaargh!

I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked
in both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage,
and there is none.)

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave
this to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ....

Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

That is neat. Will keep that in mind for the next time. I wonder how
long they last compared to wax seals.

Chris

Who knows? Wax seals have been proven in use for a long long time.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which has what to do with the longevity of the waxless type? Copper
and iron piping have also been proven for a long time which also has
nothing to do with the longevity of PEX or PVC.

Harry K

harry k wrote:
On Mar 22, 4:19 am, George wrote:
Chris wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).
I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah,
right!).
I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.
The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the
toilet, then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just
plain didn't work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell
off and just would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the
toilet, or I couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without
knocking them out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually
made a hole in the ring. Aaaaargh!
I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked
in both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage,
and there is none.)
So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave
this to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...
Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:
http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal
That is neat. Will keep that in mind for the next time. I wonder how
long they last compared to wax seals.
Chris
Who knows? Wax seals have been proven in use for a long long time.- Hide quoted text -

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Which has what to do with the longevity of the waxless type? Copper
and iron piping have also been proven for a long time which also has
nothing to do with the longevity of PEX or PVC.

Harry K

Because it hasn't been tested over time?


I choose wax rings because they are proven, inexpensive and easy to use.

On 3/22/2009 10:48 AM George spake thus:

harry k wrote:

Which has what to do with the longevity of the waxless type? Copper
and iron piping have also been proven for a long time which also has
nothing to do with the longevity of PEX or PVC.

Because it hasn't been tested over time?


I choose wax rings because they are proven, inexpensive and easy to use.

You know, I like the *idea* of using wax rings for those very reasons.
That much accumulated successful application should count for something,
no? I mean, almost all of the toilets I encounter don't leak, and are
set with wax rings.

The problem is that they're so dang hard to set, at least for me. Now, I
realize this says more about what a klutz I am than anything else.
Frankly, with that little plumbing work I do (I generally stay away from
it, as I know a really good plumber that I recommend to my clients), I'm
not about to practice setting toilets using wax seals enough to get good
at it.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

On 3/22/2009 6:34 AM Mike spake thus:

On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Smash the wax onto the toilet using your thumb (don't kill it, just
push down onto it at the edge in 4-5 places). Lower onto hole.

Maybe you didn't read my post so carefully. That's exactly what I did,
and the damn thing fell off anyway. (And another time I poked one of the
toilet bolts through the damn wax ring.)


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

On Mar 22, 5:26*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 3/22/2009 6:34 AM Mike spake thus:



On Mar 20, 1:29 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).

So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave this
to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...

Smash the wax onto the toilet using your thumb (don't kill it, just
push down onto it at the edge in 4-5 places). *Lower onto hole.

Maybe you didn't read my post so carefully. That's exactly what I did,
and the damn thing fell off anyway. (And another time I poked one of the
toilet bolts through the damn wax ring.)

A review of your original post does not reveal that you did anything
resembling what I suggested. You have to use your thumbs to mash the
wax onto the bottom of the toilet.

On Mar 22, 7:12*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 3/22/2009 1:30 PM Mike spake thus:

On Mar 22, 5:26 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Maybe you didn't read my post so carefully. That's exactly what I did,
and the damn thing fell off anyway. (And another time I poked one of the
toilet bolts through the damn wax ring.)

A review of your original post does not reveal that you did anything
resembling what I suggested. *You have to use your thumbs to mash the
wax onto the bottom of the toilet.

Well, if you need me to be excruciatingly specific, I tried just that.
Pushed the damn wax ring onto the toilet "horn" with my thumbs as
forcefully as possible without deforming the ring. It fell off anyhow.


Oh well. Sorry it didn't work. The one toilet I have been a part of
replacing, my father-in-law did the thumb thing (smashed it on there
pretty good) and it worked in one shot. Of course, it was a warm day
and the wax was pretty soft.

Mike

On 3/22/2009 1:30 PM Mike spake thus:

On Mar 22, 5:26 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Maybe you didn't read my post so carefully. That's exactly what I did,
and the damn thing fell off anyway. (And another time I poked one of the
toilet bolts through the damn wax ring.)

A review of your original post does not reveal that you did anything
resembling what I suggested. You have to use your thumbs to mash the
wax onto the bottom of the toilet.

Well, if you need me to be excruciatingly specific, I tried just that.
Pushed the damn wax ring onto the toilet "horn" with my thumbs as
forcefully as possible without deforming the ring. It fell off anyhow.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

On Mar 22, 11:48*am, George wrote:
harry k wrote:
On Mar 22, 4:19 am, George wrote:
Chris wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article m,
*David Nebenzahl wrote:
OK, further proof (if any were needed) that I Am Not A Plumber (but I
play one sometimes on daytime TV).
I tell my customers that, but sometimes I take on what seems like a
small, simple, foolproof job involving water, pipes, etc. (Yeah,
right!).
I actually ended up setting 2 toilets for one client, one an existing
toilet sitting on rotted floor, the other one a new replacement for a
basement toilet that had been removed.
The problem I had in both cases was setting the damned wax ring. The
instructions say you're supposed to put it on the bottom of the
toilet, then lower the toilet down onto the floor. Well, this just
plain didn't work, for several reasons: either the damn wax ring fell
off and just would not stay put on the smooth ceramic "horn" of the
toilet, or I couldn't maneuver the damn thing onto the bolts without
knocking them out of line, or in one attempt, the damn bolt actually
made a hole in the ring. Aaaaargh!
I ended up putting the ring on the floor fixture, then setting the
toilet over it. Not the way to book told me to do it, but it worked
in both cases. (Yes, I have been back to check for leaks or seepage,
and there is none.)
So how do real plumbers deal with this? I think I'm going to leave
this to the "professionals" in the future, just to avoid aggravation ...
Wax rings are so last century, dude. Next time, try this:
http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal
That is neat. Will keep that in mind for the next time. I wonder how
long they last compared to wax seals.
Chris
Who knows? Wax seals have been proven in use for a long long time.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which has what to do with the longevity of the waxless type? *Copper
and iron piping have also been proven for a long time which also has
nothing to do with the longevity of PEX or PVC.

Harry K

Because it hasn't been tested over time?

I choose wax rings because they are proven, inexpensive and easy to use.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The same arguments were used back when mechanical brakes were replaced
by hydraulics.

The waxless type have been out for a fair amount of time and except
for Ransley (noone takes him seriously) I have heard of no negative
reports.

Harry K

On 03/22/09 07:02 pm Mike wrote:

Maybe you didn't read my post so carefully. That's exactly what I did,
and the damn thing fell off anyway. (And another time I poked one of the
toilet bolts through the damn wax ring.)

A review of your original post does not reveal that you did anything
resembling what I suggested. You have to use your thumbs to mash the
wax onto the bottom of the toilet.

Well, if you need me to be excruciatingly specific, I tried just that.
Pushed the damn wax ring onto the toilet "horn" with my thumbs as
forcefully as possible without deforming the ring. It fell off anyhow.

Oh well. Sorry it didn't work. The one toilet I have been a part of
replacing, my father-in-law did the thumb thing (smashed it on there
pretty good) and it worked in one shot. Of course, it was a warm day
and the wax was pretty soft.

That may be the crucial factor: the packaging for the wax rings I have
(used one already, another to go) specify a minimum temp. of 70 degrees F.

Perce