metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has a
different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40 years,
any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes. It ain't
right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna do? 'Your
papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops, before
federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor National ID
Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing for decades,
and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote in
:

metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has
a different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40
years, any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes.
It ain't right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna
do? 'Your papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops,
before federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor
National ID Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing
for decades, and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

The US and Holland used to be the only countries where there was no
legal requirement to carry ID. Now ther is only 1, nominally, the US.


--
Best regards
Han
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If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

On Mar 18, 9:32�pm, aemeijers wrote:
metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has a
different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40 years,
any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes. It ain't
right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna do? 'Your
papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops, before
federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor National ID
Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing for decades,
and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

for security purposes the day is coming where everyone will be
required to provide a DNA sample, Retinal scan, Fingerprints, and get
a implanted RF chip to prove identity. all tied to a secure registry.

carrying credit cards will be unnecessary, put hand on scanner it says
your john doe, fingerprints confirm it. heres a list of your credit
cards which one do you want to use?

national dna registry will revalutonize crime detection and
prevention.

bob haller wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:32�pm, aemeijers wrote:
metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?
Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has a
different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40 years,
any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes. It ain't
right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna do? 'Your
papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops, before
federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor National ID
Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing for decades,
and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

for security purposes the day is coming where everyone will be
required to provide a DNA sample, Retinal scan, Fingerprints, and get
a implanted RF chip to prove identity. all tied to a secure registry.

carrying credit cards will be unnecessary, put hand on scanner it says
your john doe, fingerprints confirm it. heres a list of your credit
cards which one do you want to use?

national dna registry will revalutonize crime detection and
prevention.


Hope I'm worm food before all that comes to pass. I've still got the
guns, but I'm too damn old and blind to live in the woods.

--
aem sends...

On Mar 18, 10:55*pm, Han wrote:
aemeijers wrote :





metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has
a different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40
years, any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes.
It ain't right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna
do? 'Your papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops,
before federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor
National ID Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing
for decades, and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

The US and Holland used to be the only countries where there was no
legal requirement to carry ID. *Now ther is only 1, nominally, the US.

--
Best regards
Han
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Why? What's wrong with carrying ID?

Americans shouldn't be ashamed of who they are?

Surely one should be proud to be a US citizen etc. and prove it by
showing ID, either a passport, DL etc. ?

As of now, for example no Canadian or other nataionality is allowed to
enter the USA without a passport. Nothing wrong with that; probably
need to know who is roaming around 'your' country, eh? In fact that
can extend in some cases to who is even 'flying over' the USA! Note:

And conversely with all this fuss about borders no American should go
anywhere without their US passport; cos other countries similarly need
to know who is in 'their' territory!.

I proudly still have my British National Registration from 1940, when
Germany was about to try and invade. They didn't succeed by the way!
And few years later with tremendous help from the USA of that time
Hitler learned his lesson and committed suicide (1945).

Many years later that same registration made me liable for military
service; if called. And if so it would have been the Korean conflict
alongside Americans, Australians and others.

So; one should be proud of one's nationality, one's loyalty and yes;
your responsibility as a citizen to your country.
Doesn't seem to be healthy idea to have lots of people running around
without ID proof that they are bona-fide residents, does it? Gee whiz
they might get away with not paying their share of the tax load!

Note: On humerous one ......................... can you just envision
some member country of the EU trying to keep track of a planeload of
US tourists heading for vacation or to join a cruise ship in, say,
Greece or Turkey? "Achtung, achtung ..... Und hundred citzen America
fein Athens die morgen ...... ":-) Ah; who cares a long as they can
identify themselves when they get off the plane!

On Mar 18, 10:12*pm, metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Back in the old days when the DMV labeled me a "persistant violator"
and took my license I had to get an LCB card.

aemeijers wrote:
metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has a
different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40 years,
any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes. It ain't
right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna do? 'Your
papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops, before
federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor National ID
Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing for decades,
and many countries already have.

--
aem sends...

They effectively made the driver's license a national ID card when they
mandated they all had to use the same format and all of the data would
be given to the feds.

Of coruse, Mexican wetbacks will be exempt, and will get
increased benefits paid for by taxpayers grand children.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"bob haller" wrote in message
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national dna registry will revalutonize crime detection and
prevention.

Teach your kids and grand kids how to shoot, and how to read
the Constitution. And bury a gun some where.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"aemeijers" wrote in message
news
Hope I'm worm food before all that comes to pass. I've still
got the
guns, but I'm too damn old and blind to live in the woods.

--
aem sends...

Something called freedom, which a few old people remember.
The long forgotten thought that people could do what they
wanted, with a few exceptions like crime. And that the
government had something quaintly called the "burden of
proof". They, government, had to prove thier case before
they could tell us free citizens what to do. Like telling us
to carry ID cards. Only us old folks remember that. And one
at a time, we die off and the Obama people march blindly
into totalitarian government. Ah, the dictators of the last
century would be laughing thier asses off, to see what we
have put up with.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"stan" wrote in message
...

Why? What's wrong with carrying ID?

Americans shouldn't be ashamed of who they are?

Surely one should be proud to be a US citizen etc. and prove
it by
showing ID, either a passport, DL etc. ?

On Mar 18, 10:12*pm, metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

I was just reading the instructions for something (I don't remember
what a passport or something). The instructions said you needed to
have a state-issued Driver's License or ID card. It then said that a
Learner's Permit was not valid because of the way the law was
written. So if you don't take the Learner's Permit test you're okay.
If you pass your road test you're okay. But if you have the Permit it
doesn't count. Just seemed weird.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Only us old folks remember that. And one
at a time, we die off and the Obama people march blindly
into totalitarian government. Ah, the dictators of the last
century would be laughing thier asses off, to see what we
have put up with.

Considering how the previous administration treated the Constitution as its
doormat, the waves of irony particles your post is emitting are going to
burn out irony meters all over the world.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:32:37 GMT, aemeijers wrote:

metspitzer wrote:
If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?

Most, if not all states will issue a state ID card to anyone that can
provide the appropriate feeder documents, and doesn't have a drivers
license. Looks just like drivers license, but says 'ID Card', and has a
different color band on it.

Sadly, between modern commerce and court decisions of the last 40 years,
any adult pretty much HAS to carry ID, for practical purposes. It ain't
right, and it ain't what the law says, but what are you gonna do? 'Your
papers, please?', etc. I give it another 10-15 years, tops, before
federal Real ID law morphs all the state DLs into a backdoor National ID
Card, which is what the Nanny-Staters have been proposing for decades,
and many countries already have.


We have lost our basic rights as American citizens. If you are
stopped by police and they request ID you will go to jail.

Do we need Mag-Nuts to go pick up the irony that's all
around?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Only us old folks remember that. And one
at a time, we die off and the Obama people march blindly
into totalitarian government. Ah, the dictators of the
last
century would be laughing thier asses off, to see what we
have put up with.

Considering how the previous administration treated the
Constitution as its
doormat, the waves of irony particles your post is emitting
are going to
burn out irony meters all over the world.

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:18:45 GMT, aemeijers wrote:

Hope I'm worm food before all that comes to pass. I've still got the
guns, but I'm too damn old and blind to live in the woods.

Have you seen HR45? It will require you to have a firearms license for
EACH of those guns. (at $25 a pop)

Guns made over 40 years ago have certain advantages- no paper trail.

aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:18:45 GMT, aemeijers
wrote:
Hope I'm worm food before all that comes to pass. I've still got the
guns, but I'm too damn old and blind to live in the woods.

Have you seen HR45? It will require you to have a firearms license
for EACH of those guns. (at $25 a pop)

Guns made over 40 years ago have certain advantages- no paper trail.

Every time I visit a gun show, I take a gun to trade, face-to-face, with no
documentation. I, personally, have probably screwed up the paper trail for
at least 40 guns in the past ten years.

On Wed 18 Mar 2009 07:12:01p, metspitzer told us...

If you don't have a drivers' license, do you carry ID?
What do you use?


In most states a photo ID similar to a driver's license is available from the
state. In some states it is a requirement to carry one in lieu of a driver's
license.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.