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I strained my back - OUCH
I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging,
trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. |
I strained my back - OUCH
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message ... I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. First 48 hours use only ice. After that go to alternating ice and heat packs. There really is not set rule on how long to rest but too much rest can be just as bad a straining. I'd give it a few weeks with no heavy lifting. then go back to your normal routine. Tylenol or Ibuprofen (which ever works best for you) is recommended too. If it's real bad go to your doctor. They can prescribe muscle relaxers (Soma) that can literally work miracles. As far as stretching goes; the rule is nothing that will irritate your back further. So be careful. There are some lower back stretches you can find on the internet (or in your doctors office) that you do laying on the floor that can be helpful but take it easy. You don't want to irritate the situation. My back pain comes from my hamstrings so when I have pain I stretch my legs so it's hard to tell exactly what type of stretches are helpful unless you go to a physical therapist. Olddog |
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"MiamiCuse" wrote in
: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Well MC, **** happens...good ****, bad ****, but **** always happens. We all have "back" stories. It could be anything from "You ain't 25 no more" and just gotta rest it out to a bulged disk ready to bust or a pinched nerve ready to cripple you in another millimeter. It would not be wise for anyone to give you a diagnosis or remedy. An MD, not chiropractor, is best suited. Sincerely hope you get it straightened out with as little discomfort possible in the shortest amount of time in a safe manner. Red |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:52:18 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
wrote: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Call now and go. See if you have insurance coverage... I collapsed in a drive way one day, wanted to tough if out and suffered more days than cared to. That injury still flares up now and then. |
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"MiamiCuse" wrote
My lower back hurts like hell. We arent MD's as you know but I've seen 2 good posts with advice, both valid. I will add a bit here. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. So moving hurts, but not staying still? That to me means you have a muscular strain, possibly fairly bad, but no real 'damage'. Worse ones hurt and the muscles go into spasms when sitting quietly. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. It takes longer, also normally you want something a bit cold (I use a treatment called 'icy-hot' which stimulates blood flow a bit to the area but feels cool and wierdly a little warming at the same time. Similar to bengay, but not the same. Those products do not truely 'heal' but make it more comfortable for a bit. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. Smile, the smart answer is don't do things that hurt for a bit. Ease yourself up and dont lean over too far when brushing teeth or washing face (Not required, brace with other arm when needed to with toothbrushing etc for that littler lean). This doesnt take several weeks to get over if it's just strained muscles. However, you can easily *re-strain* them again is you push it too early and a re-strained muscle not fully healed and in the back, can cause fairly unpleasant things later. If strained muscles, you will feel almost picture perfect in 4-5 days, possibly 7 if worse strained than you think. If at 7 days you feel the same pretty much, you need to see a Doctor. In the interum, do not lift over 25 lbs or so (and not even that if you have a choice) and dont do anything that requires you 'twist and lift' at all no matter how light the object. Its just a week, you can work with that. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? You didnt list pains down the leg or any tingling/numbness in the foot, nor do you appear to have spasms in the back (or it would hurt even resting). If you do however have any of that, see a Doc now please. Also, *not* a Chiropracter before a Doc if tingling and numbness of foot or leg. Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Smile time. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? Time and relax as much as possible but best to move about as well. Say, sit 50 watching TV then putter about 10 mins, then rest again. That would be best. I wouldnt try to stretch at all. I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. No problem. A few OT posts to help our fellows out isnt a bad thing. My own experience in this is *not* the same as yours. I have fairly severe back problems with 3 herniated discs and 2 more now 'nominal'. You seem to have muscle strain but here's one warning too: If you have numbness in the groin developing then start to have trouble urinating, go the the emergency room NOW. There is a particular type of disc damage in lower back that requires immediate surgery or it can be very dangerous with a life expectancy measured in hours if not treated. I mention that just as a precaution as I'd hazard a chance of that and what you have relayed to be about zero ;-) But if you've been guy-shy on listing a symptom or 2.... Dont wait til morning. Go NOW. |
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"MiamiCuse" writes:
My lower back hurts like hell. Been there, done that... Think about seeing a Dr. I always found muscle relaxants helped a lot, at least temporarily. My back hurt like you describe for many years. I went thru the x-rays, etc, nothing helped permanently. Then when I was about 55 I built a deck and patio, something like what you did to hurt yourself in the first place. About a month and a half of hard labor. No pain since then. Also, my feet hurt. Running cured that. I could have sworn I would not be able to run. You're going to get a lot of anecdotal stories, none of them (including mine) should be considered sound advice. I read somewhere that when back pain was scientifically studied, they found that most back pain goes away without explanation. My own conviction is, if you are not already in good shape, getting in shape is a good cure. |
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"Oren" wrote
Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. |
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cshenk wrote:
"Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. |
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MiamiCuse wrote:
I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. In addition to what most others have said, I'd like to add that a special type of bandage may be of help. I don't know the exact name, but it looks like a corset! You velcro yourself into the thing and it's main purpose, I believe, is to prevent you from aggravating the condition by limiting your range of movement. Swaddling yourself in about two miles of elastic bandage may be a substitute. Your family doctor is the one to see - that is, a GP, Family Practice, or Internist. What you experienced is common and any physician has seen the exact same thing a zillion times - we're not talking cerebral malaria here. The proper treatement, I believe, is rest, muscle relaxants, and pain killers. The latter two items are available only from a physician (or friendly dentist). Herbs, homeopathic remedies, vitamins, will be worthless (with the possible exception of caspacian). |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:47:52 -0500, "cshenk" wrote:
Dont wait til morning. Go NOW Chiropractors were called quacks one time. Today insurance has it covered. Check the policy. Go see or call the MD or Chiropractor. |
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MiamiCuse wrote:
I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. It's amazing how much you use certain muscles but don't notice until they hurt. I can't tell you what to do, other than see a doc if you feel the need. Especially if you have pain radiating down one leg. A family doc should be able to treat or refer if he/she sees the need. I'm a retired industrial nurse, so have given first aid for lots of back strain. If someone had a rather sudden or severe strain, I would ice it and recommend they use ice for the first 24 hours. Pretty much like an ankle strain. I've had back strains a couple of times that were painful for several weeks, once after lifting a friend's mother who was in a wheel chair. Use antiinflam. if you can tolerate - ibuprofen. A lot of docs feel Tylenol is better because it seems to have a muscle relaxing effect. Naproxen is good A firm mattress usually gives more relief for sore back. To get out of bed, it is better if you turn onto your side facing the edge of the bed, let your feet off the edge of the bed as you raise up onto elbow and then to sitting. Start using heating pad after 24 hours. Hot shower with water running onto back or, better yet, hot bath (provided you can get in and out of tub safely). From the amount of work you did you certainly qualify for a sore back. I've had pretty painful muscle spasm in my back and neck; both resolved quickly. When I hurt my neck, is was sort of a freak whiplash. Didn't want to go to ER so I folded a towel and wrapped it around my neck to use as a neck brace. Spasms quit after about 12 hours; sore for a week or two. |
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most back pain goes away over 4 to 6 weeks on its own, read where over
90% of everyone has occasional back pain. hurting some is a good sign you got a work out, dont panic take it easy for a week, just normal activities and you will likely be fine till the next big job comes along |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:12:20 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. In legitimate instances a massage parlor may be adjacent the chiropractor's office, next door and be covered by medical insurance. |
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"HeyBub" wrote
cshenk wrote: I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that *some* are. Mine is. He's not cheap either but insurance for now pays the bill. |
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"Oren" wrote
Dont wait til morning. Go NOW Oren, you deleted the important part of where the symptoms mean doc NOW. Its extremely unlikely he has any of that numb genital region and hard to urinate, but that is NOT a time for a chiro. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. Depends on the problem. I've been to a chiropractor for some problems and had pretty much instant relief. I'm talking about a stiff neck or sacroiliac dislocation. One good push works faster than muscle relaxers. I don't go there for heart problems, cancer, pneumonia, etc. |
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"MiamiCuse" wrote: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Last time I threw out my back, it was a long time healing. I tried ice, massage, chiropractors to the tune of over $1000 worth, exercising, not exercising, you name it. I was eating ibuprofen like candy for months. Four of 'em every couple of hours some days. Girlfriend was in the bookstore of all places and picked up a package containing a tiny little book and a couple of soft rubber balls about the size of a softball. Went by the name "Miracle Balls." No ****. This thing fixed me 100% within five days. Used it for ten minutes or so three times a day. Damned amazing. $20. Absolutely no affiliation, just an impressed and very, very grateful customer. |
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Oren wrote:
Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Excellent advice. Dick |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:57:33 -0500, "cshenk" wrote:
"Oren" wrote Dont wait til morning. Go NOW Oren, you deleted the important part of where the symptoms mean doc NOW. Its extremely unlikely he has any of that numb genital region and hard to urinate, but that is NOT a time for a chiro. Oh! I mentioned that I collapsed in a drive way. What I did not say was it was only 15 minutes after the incident. It took me 12 days to go for help an stop being foolish. It hurt when I had too crawl and take care of business. Insurance covered the Chiropractor. Damn was I relieved. Folks have to pick their poison. |
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cshenk wrote:
"Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. That is a good point. But when I got my first compressed vertebrae, my Chiropractor told me what it was without seeing an x-ray and told me there was nothing he could do for me except tell me to see a Orthopedic Surgeon. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. That is what all Chiropractors are supposed to do. But some are quacks. Dick |
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Noahbuddy wrote:
MDs will load you up on Meds. MDs did nothing for me. A Chiro fixed my problems. I'm very sorry to read that. I've had 14 surgeries in the last 5-1/2 years. Without being loaded up on meds, I don't think I could have taken the pain of half of them. Dick |
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"Noahbuddy" wrote in message ... "HeyBub" wrote in m: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. This is misinformation. On July 4, this year, I flipped a 496# atv over backwards on me as we both went barrel rolling down a steep hill. It folded me over, and the hard case on the back of the atv saved me from being killed or paralyzed. I had a 1 cm crush fracture to the L1. That's like putting a beer can on end, and stomping it half an inch shorter. Two weeks later, I could bend at the waist and pick up my car keys from the doctor's office floor when he asked me how I was doing. I asked my chiropractor right after the accident about coming in and that spinal decompression thing. He said come on down. I don't do anything without checking first with my treating MD, and he said don't let the chiropractor touch me for six months. He said as long as I was doing so well, he would suggest NOT going to the chiropractor. We decided not to have the cement balloon thing, as there were more risks than benefits, as I was progressing so well. I've had no chiropractic, and no physical therapy. I get around good, and except for the pain, not a lot of symptoms. Chiropractors are not the answer to everything, and I can see why MDs talk about them as quacks. Some of them are. And everyone does recover at a different rate, some of it physical, some mental, and some of it is dumb luck. Steve |
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"Dick Adams" wrote in message ... Noahbuddy wrote: MDs will load you up on Meds. MDs did nothing for me. A Chiro fixed my problems. I'm very sorry to read that. I've had 14 surgeries in the last 5-1/2 years. Without being loaded up on meds, I don't think I could have taken the pain of half of them. Dick Most of the anti drug crusaders haven't experienced the 12 level of pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Ask anyone in the kidney stone club. Or someone who has had a major major injury or surgery. I take about 400 doses of meds per month, about 100 of those are pain meds. Some days I take none, and some days, I take four or five. I'm not going to suffer when there is relief. I don't take them to alter my mood or get goofy. Steve |
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On Dec 15, 7:18*pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:52:18 -0500, "MiamiCuse" wrote: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. *Not this time. *I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Call now and go. See if you have insurance coverage... I collapsed in a drive way one day, wanted to tough if out and suffered more days than cared to. That injury still flares up now and then.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Any Smart Chiropractor will tell you up front he might make it worse, dont do this. |
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On Dec 15, 8:12*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. *I just know mine is. *He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. Damage often cant be seen by xray, mine couldnt even by the best, and the chiropractor told my he might make it worse and he did. |
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On Dec 15, 6:52*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements.. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. *Not this time. *I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Ive had back problems all my life at points so serious I could not move for 7-10 days, dont go see a chiropractor first. Every injury is different, so there is no one right thing but if you can get on with everyday stuff that is best, sitting can make it worse. Muscles are the only thing protecting your lower spine and neck, that is why it got injured. Muscle relaxents can help if used early, pain meds can allow you to use it and hurt it more. If you can walk, go out and walk swimming helps many. Remember things heal, it may take years, or only weeks if its a muscle. You are not bedridden hating the pain of just getting up, so just dont do anything that hurts, but sitting all day can make it worse. Get a pros advise but dont rush anything. My back could go out so moving at all was near impossible, but the injury was such that rowing across the lake made it all better. But without knowing your issue it could most likely put you in the hospital as could a chiropractor, xrays cant see muscle damage or all injuries, other scans can. Go for a swim it usualy helps |
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Noahbuddy wrote:
Oren wrote in : On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:47:52 -0500, "cshenk" wrote: Dont wait til morning. Go NOW Chiropractors were called quacks one time. Today insurance has it covered. Check the policy. Go see or call the MD or Chiropractor. MDs will load you up on Meds. MDs did nothing for me. A Chiro fixed my problems. And either one is capable of "curing" a back strain in 6-8 weeks, which coincides with the normal time for tissue to heal :o) |
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ransley wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:12 pm, "HeyBub" wrote: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. Damage often cant be seen by xray, mine couldnt even by the best, and the chiropractor told my he might make it worse and he did. Good reason for having a family physician who doesn't proceed without a fairly certain diagnosis. I've known all kinds of chiro's, and there are some real loonies.........worked on an insurance issue for six year old girl treated for over a year by chiro for a bladder infection. He was doing spinal adjustments. The mother was a regular, too, and they both went for chiro adjustments three times a week, costing thousands (20 years ago). The mom wrote a multi-page letter of appeal to the insurance company, and it was like a textbook description of clinical depression. Of course, every specialty is capable of having loonie practitioners and some who make pretty bad mistakaes. I took my son to the MD for hives once......doc said he was allergic to pseudoephedrine and prescribed something for the hives. Took the script to the drug store and I was fairly sure the new med. had pseudoephedrine, so I asked the pharmacist. It did. Didn't fill it. Didn't go back tothat MD. |
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ransley wrote:
On Dec 15, 6:52 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Ive had back problems all my life at points so serious I could not move for 7-10 days, dont go see a chiropractor first. Every injury is different, so there is no one right thing but if you can get on with everyday stuff that is best, sitting can make it worse. Muscles are the only thing protecting your lower spine and neck, that is why it got injured. Muscle relaxents can help if used early, pain meds can allow you to use it and hurt it more. If you can walk, go out and walk swimming helps many. Remember things heal, it may take years, or only weeks if its a muscle. You are not bedridden hating the pain of just getting up, so just dont do anything that hurts, but sitting all day can make it worse. Get a pros advise but dont rush anything. My back could go out so moving at all was near impossible, but the injury was such that rowing across the lake made it all better. But without knowing your issue it could most likely put you in the hospital as could a chiropractor, xrays cant see muscle damage or all injuries, other scans can. Go for a swim it usualy helps Good advice for a chronic problem that is being treated. When the problem is acute and from overuse, then rest is best. If pain doesn't improve significantly in 2-3 days, I'd see an MD for sure. Also, if pain radiates one should see MD ASAP. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:52:18 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
wrote: I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. Back problems not not unusual. Usually it will heal slowly, maybe a month. You can use moist heating pads to help reduce the muscle tension. Do back exercises, but stop when it hurts. You range of motion will get better with each day of stretching. Doctors will only take your money. Good Luck. |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Noahbuddy" wrote in message ... "HeyBub" wrote in m: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. This is misinformation. On July 4, this year, I flipped a 496# atv over backwards on me as we both went barrel rolling down a steep hill. It folded me over, and the hard case on the back of the atv saved me from being killed or paralyzed. I had a 1 cm crush fracture to the L1. That's like putting a beer can on end, and stomping it half an inch shorter. Two weeks later, I could bend at the waist and pick up my car keys from the doctor's office floor when he asked me how I was doing. I asked my chiropractor right after the accident about coming in and that spinal decompression thing. He said come on down. I don't do anything without checking first with my treating MD, and he said don't let the chiropractor touch me for six months. He said as long as I was doing so well, he would suggest NOT going to the chiropractor. We decided not to have the cement balloon thing, as there were more risks than benefits, as I was progressing so well. I've had no chiropractic, and no physical therapy. I get around good, and except for the pain, not a lot of symptoms. Chiropractors are not the answer to everything, and I can see why MDs talk about them as quacks. Some of them are. And everyone does recover at a different rate, some of it physical, some mental, and some of it is dumb luck. Steve I've had back problems literally all my life but nothing compared to your agony. Good luck with that dude. Chiropractors seem to be getting better and more doctors are accepting the benefits of manipulation. My HMO in NM used to cover chiropractor visits in their clinics. But you had to have a MD's referral/ Your accident is a good example of the need to get good x-rays examined by a competent Osteopath before letting a Chiropractor do his thing. IMHO Olddog |
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Health 101:
The back is a strong machine when it comes to carrying weight - a stack of bone that is braced by (hopefully) strong muscle, front (abdomen) and back. It works best for carrying weight when it is straight, which is why the stoop-and-lift technique is recommended. When force is applied to the muscles (cough, sneeze, lift) with the back flexed or twisted, then the force is transferred to the muscle. Ouch! This is where the leverage can pop a disc. If abdominal muscles are supporting 30# of fat (sorry, we all get a little too much out there at some time), then there is less support for the back and the lumbar muscles carry that much more of the load. By middle age, something like 40-50% of adults have "protruding" discs, although many don't know it. It is not pathological, in and of itself....normal part of change that comes with age. Improper activity at that age increases chance of further protrusion or rupture of the sac around the disc. There is a lot less surgery done for this than in the past because it can often heal as well without surgery, and often was not improved at all with surgery. But, sometimes surgery is absolutely necessary. Busting sod and digging is rough work, esp. with implement that requires bending. I've gotten bad signals (a little pain down my leg) while digging long ago. Never lasted, thank heaven. The worst back pain I've had was when my daughter was about 2....sitting on the bed dressing her. When we were done, I lifted her and twisted while sitting to take her off the bed. Bang! I couldn't move and my back hurt intensely. Took about 10 minutes before I could stand, all the while thinking I might have to send a small child next door to get help. Sometimes position is the problem, with not a lot of weight being involved. Even just a minimal strain, repeated often enough, can cause pretty severe pain........strain leads to swelling, which can cause other problems. have managed lots of back and repetitive motion problems in nursing. The best treatments, over all, are ice (heat later), rest, physical therapy, anti-inflammatory meds, and getting back in shape. A lot of industries in Japan have, for a long time, had warm-up exercises at the beginning of the work shift, just as athletes warm up before events. American companies have been slow to adopt good ergonomic function in the workplace, but many have...... Miami sounds like the pain is pretty severe.......from the posts he has made, it sounds like he does a lot of work. Call the doc when in doubt. Call the doc for sure if there is pain or numbness below the injury, or if the pain seems to be internal. I would not do stretching or bending or any other activity while it is very painful. Stretching is much better as a warm-up to activity and should be gradual, never extreme. |
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olddog wrote:
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Noahbuddy" wrote in message .. . "HeyBub" wrote in news:bNadnSAkbLwZk9rUnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@earthlink .com: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. This is misinformation. On July 4, this year, I flipped a 496# atv over backwards on me as we both went barrel rolling down a steep hill. It folded me over, and the hard case on the back of the atv saved me from being killed or paralyzed. I had a 1 cm crush fracture to the L1. That's like putting a beer can on end, and stomping it half an inch shorter. Two weeks later, I could bend at the waist and pick up my car keys from the doctor's office floor when he asked me how I was doing. I asked my chiropractor right after the accident about coming in and that spinal decompression thing. He said come on down. I don't do anything without checking first with my treating MD, and he said don't let the chiropractor touch me for six months. He said as long as I was doing so well, he would suggest NOT going to the chiropractor. We decided not to have the cement balloon thing, as there were more risks than benefits, as I was progressing so well. I've had no chiropractic, and no physical therapy. I get around good, and except for the pain, not a lot of symptoms. Chiropractors are not the answer to everything, and I can see why MDs talk about them as quacks. Some of them are. And everyone does recover at a different rate, some of it physical, some mental, and some of it is dumb luck. Steve I've had back problems literally all my life but nothing compared to your agony. Good luck with that dude. Chiropractors seem to be getting better and more doctors are accepting the benefits of manipulation. My HMO in NM used to cover chiropractor visits in their clinics. But you had to have a MD's referral/ Your accident is a good example of the need to get good x-rays examined by a competent Osteopath before letting a Chiropractor do his thing. IMHO Olddog I've known MD's who did chiropractic adjustments, and a few others who often referred to certain chiropractors. Chiro seems to have changed a lot over the years, with a lot fewer who treat everything under the sun according to the original philosophy. Best docs I have known for treating/managing chronic pain (backs, amputees, etc.) were physiatrists. |
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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message ... I was doing a bunch of landscaping in my back yard yesterday. Digging, trenching, fixing sprinkler lines, back filling. When I was doing it I did not feel a thing, it was during the end of the day when I was basically on my knee trying to wrestle with a really stubborn leak for a long time when I tried to stand up to turn on the pump to test it I had a hard time standing up! My lower back hurts like hell. I don't know if it's a strain, or I pulled something. The pain is in the lower back. It's real painful when I try to get up, or sit down, or lay down, or lean over to reach something low. Once I am in a fixed position there is no pain, it's when I try to change position. I wonder if it may be the wheel barrow? I shoveled a lot of soil into it and moved it to a pile, a few times it's so heavy the wheel barrow tilted and I have to right it. I got some BENGAY and applied that to my back last night, no improvements. So I went to bed early last night and this morning when I woke up the pain is still there when I tried to get up, although not as intense. I remember having muscle ache before when I did hard physical work, but usually the next day when I woke up I am ok. Not this time. I still have trouble getting up and sitting down, or bend over my upper body to wash my face or brush my teeth. I am wondering if it's possible to tell whether I over strained my muscles or pulled something. If I need to go see a doctor what kind should I go see? Also will any medication help with this? I already tried BENGAY and that gave me some mild cooling sensation and did not really do anything constructive. Should I lay down and let it heal or is there something I can do to help it along? Should I stretch a little? I know this is not a medical group but I thought this may be a common occurrence with DIYers I might ask here for practical information. Thanks for any information you may have to share.. |
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"cshenk" wrote in
: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. This is EXACTLY why I said in my post not a chiro. I didwant to so into stories but here's the short version. Back messed up so bad I had to walk hunched over. Roll over in bed, even though almost impossible to fall asleep, and wake in tears. I go to chiro for first time. He does the xrays, twisting, crunching, stupid wires with tingle pulses and all. Not getting better. Got the msg from my body via pain that something is wrong so now is the time for pain meds. Says he doesn't give pain meds. Screw this. Go to neuro doctor. Turns out I had a bulged disk ready to bust...and this ****ing asshole is beating on it. Never again. Never recommend. |
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straight position. helps me alot, but every injury is different i guess. ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm |
I strained my back - OUCH
"Claude Hopper" wrote in message ... olddog wrote: "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Noahbuddy" wrote in message ... "HeyBub" wrote in m: cshenk wrote: "Oren" wrote Get yourself a Chiropractor RIGHT now, don't wait 12 days after you have to crawl to the toilet in pain. Oren, the reason why I'd not recommend that as first step, is without knowing more, a chiro can in some cases unwittingly do more damage than cure. I dont know if all chiros are MD's. I just know mine is. He works with my spine surgeon to help defer surgical level needs as long as possible for people like me. Chiropractors are NOT MDs. The fundamental theory behind chirpractic is that all or most human maladies are the result of pressure on nerves, usually caused by misalignment of the spine. By first putting you under an X-ray machine until you glow in the dark, a chiropractor will "manipulate" your spine until your bee-bite, pancreatic cancer, or dandruff is cured. The human body has remarkable regenerative powers. Interestingly, the length of time required for the body to heal both with and without chiropractic intervention is the same. The chiropractor may, however, make you feel a bit better, but a visit to a "massage parlor" is cheaper. This is misinformation. On July 4, this year, I flipped a 496# atv over backwards on me as we both went barrel rolling down a steep hill. It folded me over, and the hard case on the back of the atv saved me from being killed or paralyzed. I had a 1 cm crush fracture to the L1. That's like putting a beer can on end, and stomping it half an inch shorter. Two weeks later, I could bend at the waist and pick up my car keys from the doctor's office floor when he asked me how I was doing. I asked my chiropractor right after the accident about coming in and that spinal decompression thing. He said come on down. I don't do anything without checking first with my treating MD, and he said don't let the chiropractor touch me for six months. He said as long as I was doing so well, he would suggest NOT going to the chiropractor. We decided not to have the cement balloon thing, as there were more risks than benefits, as I was progressing so well. I've had no chiropractic, and no physical therapy. I get around good, and except for the pain, not a lot of symptoms. Chiropractors are not the answer to everything, and I can see why MDs talk about them as quacks. Some of them are. And everyone does recover at a different rate, some of it physical, some mental, and some of it is dumb luck. Steve I've had back problems literally all my life but nothing compared to your agony. Good luck with that dude. Chiropractors seem to be getting better and more doctors are accepting the benefits of manipulation. My HMO in NM used to cover chiropractor visits in their clinics. But you had to have a MD's referral/ Your accident is a good example of the need to get good x-rays examined by a competent Osteopath before letting a Chiropractor do his thing. IMHO Olddog They are just legal quacks. I agree..some are. I've been to a few. The last one I went to didn't want to treat me unless I started treating my condition seriously. He wasn't interested in doing a few manipulations. He took serious x-rays and gave me a long term treatment plan. He was pretty straight forward. I couldn't afford it but I have no doubt he would of helped me. I been to some that just wanted to pop my back and neck. Took horrible xray that could of been anybody for all I knew. But I think the same is true in almost any profession. Funny how almost all doctors think their specialty is the one you need. Olddog |
I strained my back - OUCH
wrote in message ... for my lower back,i do slow touch my toes from a standing up straight position. helps me alot, but every injury is different i guess. ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm LOL. If I could touch my toes I wouldn't have back problems. ;-) Olddog |
I strained my back - OUCH
"Norminn" wrote
Olddog wrote Chiropractors seem to be getting better and more doctors are accepting the benefits of manipulation. My HMO in NM used to cover chiropractor visits in their clinics. But you had to have a MD's referral/ Your accident is a good example of the need to get good x-rays examined by a competent Osteopath before letting a Chiropractor do his thing. IMHO Olddog Agreed on both. There are quacks and half-trained ones out there still, but there is also a growing base of true professionals. I've known MD's who did chiropractic adjustments, and a few others who often referred to certain chiropractors. Chiro seems to have changed a lot over the years, with a lot fewer who treat everything under the sun according to the original philosophy. Grin, mines a military Doc who 2 days a week is assigned to chiro. Got his chiro license then went MD an is now in school upgrading 3 days a week with classes to add some sort of osteopath specialty. I gather there are several and not sure which one. Works every other weekend at the acute care facility. Something about 6 year commitment after the schooling is done or he has to pay it all back. Best docs I have known for treating/managing chronic pain (backs, amputees, etc.) were physiatrists. Really? Thats a new one on me! Then again, chronic depression is not uncommon for people with chronic pain, so it's not that far off the ballpark. |
I strained my back - OUCH
"olddog" wrote
interested in doing a few manipulations. He took serious x-rays and gave me a long term treatment plan. He was pretty straight forward. I couldn't afford it but I have no doubt he would of helped me. Actually been meaning to mention this but X-rays alone arent really what's needed. MRI is also needed as some things will not show on X-rays. |
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