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On Nov 6, 7:27*am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote: "Kurt Ullman" wrote in message ... The political parties accurately reflect the views of their membership.. If you want them to change, get active in the party of your choice and become an advocate. * * They accurately reflect the views of the MOST active part of their membership. Of course, that still means you have to get involved. You beat me to it. *As a North Carolina resident, I removed myself from the Republican Party roles this year to become an independent. *That freed me up to choose which primary election I wanted to vote. *By the time NC has its primary, the Republican frontrunner is long chosen, so voting in the Republican primary is an exercise in futility. *It was the Democratic primary that provided me with a choice. *I voted for Hillary because she appeared most likely to lose in NC. I wanted the most divisive candidate to win for the Democrats. *I thought the longer the Democrats remained divided, the easier they'd be to defeat. America has demonstrated that she is sick of the current situation. *The Republicans had the power and ****ed it away. *I fully expect the Democrats to do the same. *Many in Congress are there only to serve themselves. *I'd strongly support term limits to do away with the professional politician as a career choice. *Didn't the Republicans have some sort of term limit included in their "contract with America"? *I seem to recall my local congresscritter Sue Myrick signed the contract. *Of course, she continues to run in every election.. *I guess she didn't mean "her". I look forward to seeing what can be done by a new administration in righting the nation. *I hope they don't **** it up but I don't hold all that much hope. And I hope the campaign rhetoric about Obama turns out to be just that: rhetoric. *We'll see. If the Democrats pile on and push through a bunch of very divisive stuff, look to see yet another cleaning out of incumbents in 4 years. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:09:19 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: On Nov 5, 8:20*pm, wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:44:34 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: On Nov 5, 2:29*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , wrote: Bush made it quite clear that his idea of bi-partisan was when everybody agreed to go along with his position. He was not interested in any other viewpoints. * Which is pretty much the Dem's view of bipartisanship too. GW's trust in the concepts of bipartisanship were forged in Daddy's administration, especially the outcome of the Budget Mugging... er Summit 1990. The Dems said they wouldn't come to the table without a "bi-partisan" agenda that included both tax increases and budget cuts. When Daddy responded in a bipartisan manner and gave in on tax cuts, the Dems proceeded to pound him soundly about the face and head with "read my lips". Oh, and they sorta forgot to get around to the cuts. * Both sides have for a long time viewed bipartisanship as "you lay down and take it whilst I do whatever I want". *And this was pretty much independent of the party's majority or minority status at the time. Sort of reminds me of those great Texas Democrats a few years back who left the state to hide out rather than compromise. *The democratic answer is always to run from responsibility. Boy, are you ever uninformed. Texas Democrats are basically Republicans. That's why it was such a joke when GWB bragged about his ability to "reach across the aisle" when he was governor in Texas. It wasn't much of a reach.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh yes, that is what they want the majority in Texas to believe but make no mistake, they are liberal democraps in every way possible. Well, when you didn't know that Texas Democrats are basically Republicans, you were merely ignorant. Now you've promoted yourself to being full bore stupid.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe you should tell the Texas Democrats that. I am sure they would appreciate it. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: Not only Putin but the Iranian mullahs. They are just as crafty and even more ruthless than Putin. But of course Obama wants to sit down and have tea and goat cheese with them while they're murdering brave young American soldiers behind his back. Do you have any idea how stupid this kind of statement makes you look? Which part of my statement do you disagree with? a) The mullahs are just as crafty b) more ruthless than Putin c) Obama wants to sit down with them d) have tea and goat cheese e) they're murdering brave young Americans Thanks for the confirmation. |
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On Nov 6, 7:12*am, Norminn wrote:
clipped Ask yourself if it is unreasonable to make that statement since one of Obamas parents is a foreign national and he is known to have associated with some questionable folks like going to the church of the extreme anti American preacher for twenty years. Is that opinion based on one sermon? *Got evidence that he is "anti-American"? *A preacher preaching fire and brimstone is not anti-American if he is basing his sermon on sin (killing), IMO. *Don't go for that style myself, but have heard plenty of fiery sermons that really prompted people to reflect. *From the perspective of older African Americans, America has been an awful place ... no housing available, no voting, trashy schools, etc. *Being angry about our past doesn't make one anti-American. *Ever been beaten up by a cop? *I'm caucasian, but I've encountered some cops who were not "nice" and who lied on the record........only takes once to strike terror in one's heart. One sermon? You really are uninformed about Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and the many sermons that he gave on anti-white topics. Sermons which the Obama family fully supported until it became a political liability. |
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"George" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "Jim Yanik" wrote in message Obama was ranked as the MOST LEFTIST of the entire Senate. OTOH,McCain is considered a RINO,that would make him "centrist". By eactly who? You are trying to tell me that he is left of Bernie Sanders? You are an idiot. Interestingly(and ironically),Obama would not have qualified for a security clearance,but now he's got access to all US secrets. Says who? You? You are an Idiot. Why call someone an idiot just because you don't understand a process? It started with his claim that Obama was "the MOST LEFTIST of the entire Senate", which is not only idiodic english, but clearly wrong in fact. Basically, a right wing "talking point". Clearly you have never been through the process of getting a security clearance. You need to fill out a comprehensive questionnaire which requires you to list everyone from childhood friends all the way up to people you associate with and of course your parents etc. Yanik is clearly not intelligent enough to be a qualifies judge of this. He states things as fact that are clearly bullsh*T. The word still applies. |
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"BobR" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 7:27 am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote: "Kurt Ullman" wrote in message ... The political parties accurately reflect the views of their membership. If you want them to change, get active in the party of your choice and become an advocate. They accurately reflect the views of the MOST active part of their membership. Of course, that still means you have to get involved. You beat me to it. As a North Carolina resident, I removed myself from the Republican Party roles this year to become an independent. That freed me up to choose which primary election I wanted to vote. By the time NC has its primary, the Republican frontrunner is long chosen, so voting in the Republican primary is an exercise in futility. It was the Democratic primary that provided me with a choice. I voted for Hillary because she appeared most likely to lose in NC. I wanted the most divisive candidate to win for the Democrats. I thought the longer the Democrats remained divided, the easier they'd be to defeat. America has demonstrated that she is sick of the current situation. The Republicans had the power and ****ed it away. I fully expect the Democrats to do the same. Many in Congress are there only to serve themselves. I'd strongly support term limits to do away with the professional politician as a career choice. Didn't the Republicans have some sort of term limit included in their "contract with America"? I seem to recall my local congresscritter Sue Myrick signed the contract. Of course, she continues to run in every election. I guess she didn't mean "her". I look forward to seeing what can be done by a new administration in righting the nation. I hope they don't **** it up but I don't hold all that much hope. And I hope the campaign rhetoric about Obama turns out to be just that: rhetoric. We'll see. If the Democrats pile on and push through a bunch of very divisive stuff, look to see yet another cleaning out of incumbents in 4 years. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. ************************************************** **********8 Look who's spouting the "talking points" and ignoring reality. Maybe give it 15 yaers for Democrats to consolidate their power, and another 15 to waste it away, and then the republicans may become a power again. It's not going to happen in 4 years. |
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"Coleah" wrote in message news:E8E2F895B84645F98F1EC3F82A51C306@MomsNewCompu ter... -----Original Message----- From: Bob F ] Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:18 PM Posted To: alt.home.repair Conversation: I cried... Subject: {OT} I cried... "Chris" wrote in message ... badgolferman wrote: Chris wrote: badgolferman wrote: wrote: Now we have hope that our new President, governing from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves and anti-environmental hatchetmen. I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. Obama is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I will be even happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs skyrocket. Let us know if you're still happy in two years. Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own brains? Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than sex. Using your own brains please tell me how you envision President Obama and Pelosi/Reid making the world and especially America a better place. If possible piggyback on the points made by original poster or just raise your own. I can't divine the future, so I don't know if the world will be a better place two years from now or not, but I am not going to say it won't just because of my political conviction. Are you? Besides, PE Obama has said repeatedly that it's not just up to him but also and mainly up to us to make our future better. Can we stop repeating political talking point from either party and start working on solutions? I am ready. ------------------------------- More than half of this country is ready. They made that clear. I don't have much hope for the bitter old men here though. -------------------------------- Could it be..... the 'other half' of this fine country are not frosted-over, jazzed-up, sheep, hopping after the new Robin Hood 'Shepard' for promised Free pastures (grown, cared for and owned by others)?? Spread your own 'wealth'.... LOL! |
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On Nov 6, 9:18*am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Nov 5, 9:29*am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Do you really care what consenting adults do in private? *My God, man, get a grip. *It's none of your business. Cindy Hamilton I have never cared one tiny little bit what consenting adults do in private and I never will. It is when they shove it in my face and expect me to condone it in every way that I object. I also object when the consequences of others actions become my responsibility to pay for. |
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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Yanik ] Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:44 PM Posted To: alt.home.repair Conversation: I cried... Subject: I cried... Chris wrote in : Stormin Mormon wrote: I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation with two sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of laws for the proletariat. More party talking points? Why am I not surprised? Even McCain stopped using this .... (four letter word here). You didn't get the memo, obviously. These are NOT "party talking points". that's just Alinsky 101,straight out of Rules for Radicals. Obama has said publicly that he considers the Constitution a "flawed document",and wants to install judges "not constrained by the Constitution",instead basing judgments on popular opinion and feelings,instead of Written Law. He would put judges OUTSIDE the Supreme Law of the land. Our rights will mean nothing. IOW,he wants to render the Constitution useless. To me,that is the destruction of the United States of America. ---------------------------------- Change..... Right off the bat, let's see if he permanently 'revises' the U.S.A. flag tail logo on official government transportation (with the 'Obama version' of the U.S. flag he plastered on his campaign airplane). You mean his red, white and blue campaign logo? Let's see if he mocks the country by not saluting our flag at official functions. Saluting is for those in uniform. Mock? By not saluting? Let's see if Al-Quida ceases their bombing and attack planning (especially on our soil). They'll try, for sure. Let's see foreign aid coming TO our country instead of OUT OF IT. [Remember: Put America First] Anyone starving or children having their arms hacked off in the US? Let's see all of the Obama voters roll up their sleeves, do volunteer work, focus on cleaning up their own communities of problems (besides For most of modern US cities, city services in poor areas were far, far worse, if present at all. It took money to have "pull". I grew up in Chicago, so have some insight into how America treats it's citizens........then came housing rights bill so's a well paid union tradesman with a decent income could buy a home in a decent neighborhood.....and on and on. I remember when murders of black children didn't make the news. When domestic violence wasn't a "crime". When women couldn't get a mortgage. And a lot of people want to legislate their religious beliefs, but harp on and on about the issue of whether Obama is a Muslim. So what if he is/was/will be? Americans, being a "Christian nation" according to bush, persecuted Quakers, Mormons, Baptists and others. drugs, crime and killing)...instead of waiting for $$ from the We have welfare for the very rich, like beach replenishment for their waterfront homes. We have welfare for bad businesses. Why not for citizens? government to somehow 'do it' for them. I don't think it will happen. Why? Because I don't think they have the intention(or the balls)to help themselves. Most people are liberal when it comes to their own interests, conservative when it comes to everyone else :o) Prove me wrong. |
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On Nov 6, 10:16*am, "Bob F" wrote:
"BobR" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 7:27 am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote: "Kurt Ullman" wrote in message ... The political parties accurately reflect the views of their membership. If you want them to change, get active in the party of your choice and become an advocate. They accurately reflect the views of the MOST active part of their membership. Of course, that still means you have to get involved. You beat me to it. As a North Carolina resident, I removed myself from the Republican Party roles this year to become an independent. That freed me up to choose which primary election I wanted to vote. By the time NC has its primary, the Republican frontrunner is long chosen, so voting in the Republican primary is an exercise in futility. It was the Democratic primary that provided me with a choice. I voted for Hillary because she appeared most likely to lose in NC. I wanted the most divisive candidate to win for the Democrats. I thought the longer the Democrats remained divided, the easier they'd be to defeat. America has demonstrated that she is sick of the current situation. The Republicans had the power and ****ed it away. I fully expect the Democrats to do the same. Many in Congress are there only to serve themselves. I'd strongly support term limits to do away with the professional politician as a career choice. Didn't the Republicans have some sort of term limit included in their "contract with America"? I seem to recall my local congresscritter Sue Myrick signed the contract. Of course, she continues to run in every election. I guess she didn't mean "her". I look forward to seeing what can be done by a new administration in righting the nation. I hope they don't **** it up but I don't hold all that much hope. And I hope the campaign rhetoric about Obama turns out to be just that: rhetoric. We'll see. If the Democrats pile on and push through a bunch of very divisive stuff, look to see yet another cleaning out of incumbents in 4 years. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. *To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. ************************************************** **********8 Look who's spouting the "talking points" and ignoring reality. Maybe give it 15 yaers for Democrats to consolidate their power, and another 15 to waste it away, and then the republicans may become a power again. It's not going to happen in 4 years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sorry but they will **** things up must faster than that. The only hope they have is that the Republicans will continue to screw themselves. |
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm very hopeful that he works out. We need to do much better than we have on so many fronts. Maybe he's the answer, and maybe he's a dud. We really don't know yet.Not even his biggest supporters know that yet. Lets give him a little breathing room to show us what he can do before we decide to bury him. I didn't vote for Kay Hagen (our new senator in NC) but I hope she does something for us. I wrote Elizabeth Dole on several occasions concerning things like gay marriage and flag burning constitutional amendments (don't they have anything IMPORTANT to do?) and said at the time I was concerned for the future of the party if they continued down their current path. Well, they carried on and got tossed out on their collective ass in this state for it. Do you suppose they noticed? Elizabeth Dole ran a very negative campaign in the style of Jesse Helms (may he roast in Hell). In fact, her "godless" TV ad is credited with losing the campaign for her. That, and the fact she accomplished nothing in her 6 years in the Senate. She was good for 2nd Amendment support and that was about it. I ramble on.... That "godless" ad was a classic example of just how out-of-touch the Republican party has become. They actually believed that that kind of lies would still work in an election. They have gotten away with so much over the years, that they thought voters would believe anything they said if they repeated it often enough. But Americans have finally realized that they have been taken to the cleaners by the Republican lies, and they were ready for a change. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message ... SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote: I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young people were waving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right of free speach? One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry? Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you? Not much of an American. Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just those who agree with us. |
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On Nov 6, 7:12 am, Norminn wrote: clipped Ask yourself if it is unreasonable to make that statement since one of Obamas parents is a foreign national and he is known to have associated with some questionable folks like going to the church of the extreme anti American preacher for twenty years. Is that opinion based on one sermon? Got evidence that he is "anti-American"? A preacher preaching fire and brimstone is not anti-American if he is basing his sermon on sin (killing), IMO. Don't go for that style myself, but have heard plenty of fiery sermons that really prompted people to reflect. From the perspective of older African Americans, America has been an awful place ... no housing available, no voting, trashy schools, etc. Being angry about our past doesn't make one anti-American. Ever been beaten up by a cop? I'm caucasian, but I've encountered some cops who were not "nice" and who lied on the record........only takes once to strike terror in one's heart. One sermon? You really are uninformed about Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and the many sermons that he gave on anti-white topics. Sermons which the Obama family fully supported until it became a political liability. You go to church there? How is Wright different from the loonies that surrounded Reagan and Bush? |
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Bob F wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in message ... SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote: I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young people were waving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right of free speach? One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry? Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you? Not much of an American. Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just those who agree with us. Really, then why does the word "idiot" appear so frequently in your posts when someone expresses their opinion? |
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Norminn wrote:
One sermon? You really are uninformed about Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and the many sermons that he gave on anti-white topics. Sermons which the Obama family fully supported until it became a political liability. You go to church there? How is Wright different from the loonies that surrounded Reagan and Bush? GAWD DAMN AMERICA!!!! IT'S TRUE, IT SAYS IT IN THE BIBLE! US of KKK!!! |
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On Nov 6, 10:18*am, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:58:46 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. *To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. When the last Democratic President took office there was what was considered an insurmountable deficit. When he left office, eight years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a Republican Administration. What's the current deficit or surplus after 8 years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix your 8 years of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure you don't go stupid on us again. Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that they can't even get to. We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be admired and respected around the world. Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions. Please, where does one find that alternate reality dope you are sniffing? |
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Norminn wrote:
BobR wrote: On Nov 6, 7:12 am, Norminn wrote: clipped Ask yourself if it is unreasonable to make that statement since one of Obamas parents is a foreign national and he is known to have associated with some questionable folks like going to the church of the extreme anti American preacher for twenty years. Is that opinion based on one sermon? Got evidence that he is "anti-American"? A preacher preaching fire and brimstone is not anti-American if he is basing his sermon on sin (killing), IMO. Don't go for that style myself, but have heard plenty of fiery sermons that really prompted people to reflect. From the perspective of older African Americans, America has been an awful place ... no housing available, no voting, trashy schools, etc. Being angry about our past doesn't make one anti-American. Ever been beaten up by a cop? I'm caucasian, but I've encountered some cops who were not "nice" and who lied on the record........only takes once to strike terror in one's heart. One sermon? You really are uninformed about Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and the many sermons that he gave on anti-white topics. Sermons which the Obama family fully supported until it became a political liability. You go to church there? How is Wright different from the loonies that surrounded Reagan and Bush? I thought Bush talked directly with god. |
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BobR wrote:
Sort of reminds me of those great Texas Democrats a few years back who left the state to hide out rather than compromise. The democratic answer is always to run from responsibility. Eh? Were you here then? There was no compromise on the table. The Republicans were going to ram a gerrymandered redistricting plan down their throats. It wasn't running from responsibility, it was running for it. The redistricting was being done in an off year (non census) for purely Republican political gain. And they didn't care what anyone else thought about it. -- Doug |
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Further, the only reasonable claim of recent BOR violations stems from intercepting communications without a warrant. José Padilla. A US citizen arrested on US soil. Held without charges, trial, or (for awhile) counsel. While the courts are very divided on the issue, this is a clear violation of a plain English reading of the constitution. -- Doug |
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Boden wrote in
: Norminn wrote: BobR wrote: On Nov 6, 7:12 am, Norminn wrote: clipped Ask yourself if it is unreasonable to make that statement since one of Obamas parents is a foreign national and he is known to have associated with some SOME? more like "many". questionable folks like going to the church of the extreme anti American preacher for twenty years. Is that opinion based on one sermon? Got evidence that he is "anti-American"? A preacher preaching fire and brimstone is not anti-American if he is basing his sermon on sin (killing), IMO. Don't go for that style myself, but have heard plenty of fiery sermons that really prompted people to reflect. From the perspective of older African Americans, America has been an awful place ... no housing available, no voting, trashy schools, etc. And still FAR BETTER than any other country for blacks. You don't see many blacks trying to emigrate,but they sure are doing their best to get HERE. Being angry about our past doesn't make one anti-American. Ever been beaten up by a cop? No.Have you? I'm caucasian, Ditto. but I've encountered some cops who were not "nice" and who lied on the record........only takes once to strike terror in one's heart. And does that make them ALL bad,all of the time? One sermon? You really are uninformed about Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and the many sermons that he gave on anti-white topics. Sermons which the Obama family fully supported until it became a political liability. You go to church there? How is Wright different from the loonies that surrounded Reagan and Bush? Easy; Wright hates America. Wright believes in Marxist Black Liberation Theology. Wright is a RACIST. Just like Jesse and Al. They all make their living at it,too;Professional Racists. I thought Bush talked directly with god. Don't confuse him. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"HeyBub" wrote: Further, the only reasonable claim of recent BOR violations stems from intercepting communications without a warrant. José Padilla. A US citizen arrested on US soil. Held without charges, trial, or (for awhile) counsel. While the courts are very divided on the issue, this is a clear violation of a plain English reading of the constitution. Padilla WAS arrested by law enforcement agents. But all criminal charges were dropped and he was classified as an unlawful enemy combatant. He was turned over to the military where he spent years chained upside-down to a wall in a Charleston brig. Just like the folks at Guantanamo, he was not a criminal, not charged with a criminal offense, and, therefore, not subject to the constitutional safeguards afforded criminals. He was held and tried under the president's Article II powers, not under those that begin "In all criminal prosecutions...(eg, 6th Amendment). His citizenship was not a test. In the case of the eight German spies arrested in Long Island (see US vs Quirin), two were U.S. citizens. Six of the eight were executed. During the Second World War, hundreds of thousands of German & Italian POWs were incarcerated in the United States (Texas alone had 13 POW camps). Of these, more than a handful carried U.S. (or dual) citizenship. Not one ever entered a U.S. courtroom. How can someone be locked up and NOT be a criminal, you might ask? There are many classifications of folks who can be denied their liberty and not be criminals or accused of a criminal offense. * Juveniles * Mental or Public Health hazards * Civil immigration violations * Civil contempt, such as non-payment of child support * Unlawful enemy combatants |
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , "HeyBub" wrote: Deteriorating infrastructure - The federal government has almost no role in infastructure (interstate highways, some airports excepted). Falling bridges are the responsibility of individual states. FWIW, I have long suggested that the Fed Gas Tax be rolled back to just enough to cover research on safety and road builing methods and materials. Then the states could increase their gas tax by an amount decided by the Legislature to cover THEIR needs. More efficient since you don't take money off the top to run the bureaucacy, lets the states decide their own priorities, does away with one of the bigger pork barrels (which of course is why it won't ever get done.) Further, the only reasonable claim of recent BOR violations stems from intercepting communications without a warrant. The first wire-tapping that ever took place occurred during the Second War of Independence when both the Union and the Confederacy tapped the opposition's telegraph lines. To not do so is to subscribe to Henry Stimpson's 1929 dictum: "Gentelmen don't read other gentelmen's mail" as he shut down the State Department's cryptanalytic office. Even that is most likely not a violation as long as the tapped phone or intercepted communication device is overseas. The courts have long noted that if the tap is legal, then any conversations recorded thereby are legal no matter who the tapee is talking to. With in the US, for example, if Goombah #1 has a tap on the phone and Goombah #2 calls G1 and talks at length about nefarious activity, then G2 can be arrested, tried and convicted on the basis of the tap on G1's phone. Even though there was no tap authorized on the phone of G2. There is no law at all that stops taps on OVERSEAS phones, so they are legal (or at least not illegal and thus not the fruit of the poisonous tree). If the tap is on a communications device in Afghan and someone from the US calls that device, the tap is still legal and the US person is like G2 above. You're mixing criminal communication intercepts with those of the military. I maintain the military doesn't need a warrant (courts have only recently said otherwise) to intercept enemy communications, even if the communication is from one side of Duluth to the other. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: Not only Putin but the Iranian mullahs. They are just as crafty and even more ruthless than Putin. But of course Obama wants to sit down and have tea and goat cheese with them while they're murdering brave young American soldiers behind his back. Do you have any idea how stupid this kind of statement makes you look? Which part of my statement do you disagree with? a) The mullahs are just as crafty b) more ruthless than Putin c) Obama wants to sit down with them d) have tea and goat cheese e) they're murdering brave young Americans Thanks for the confirmation. So, you pick: f) Other |
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Douglas Johnson wrote:
BobR wrote: Sort of reminds me of those great Texas Democrats a few years back who left the state to hide out rather than compromise. The democratic answer is always to run from responsibility. Eh? Were you here then? There was no compromise on the table. The Republicans were going to ram a gerrymandered redistricting plan down their throats. It wasn't running from responsibility, it was running for it. The redistricting was being done in an off year (non census) for purely Republican political gain. And they didn't care what anyone else thought about it. -- Doug Desertion in the face of enemy fire, or going absent without leave is a classic Democratic ploy. When the Democratic members of the House decamped to New Mexico, their compatriots from Colorado made a provisioning run to bring them sustenance and succor. Several carloads of beer and peaches (I'm not making this up) sustained the crew until they could bear New Mexico not a minute longer (I think it was about two days, or until they ran out of beer). |
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Nov 5, 9:29 am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Do you really care what consenting adults do in private? My God, man, get a grip. It's none of your business. You mean like experimenting with explosives, performing surgery, or concocting new recipes using beets as the main ingredient? You bet I do. |
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"BobR" wrote in message ... Look who's spouting the "talking points" and ignoring reality. Maybe give it 15 yaers for Democrats to consolidate their power, and another 15 to waste it away, and then the republicans may become a power again. It's not going to happen in 4 years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sorry but they will **** things up must faster than that. The only hope they have is that the Republicans will continue to screw themselves. ************************************************** *****8 We can probably count on the second point. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:13:11 -0500, George wrote: Bob F wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in message ... SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote: I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young people were waving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right of free speach? One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry? Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you? Not much of an American. Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just those who agree with us. Really, then why does the word "idiot" appear so frequently in your posts when someone expresses their opinion? There are a lot of idiots. Yep. |
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"HeyBub" wrote:
Desertion in the face of enemy fire, or going absent without leave is a classic Democratic ploy. I don't know of another time it's happened. Do you? At the time, I thought it was pretty clever tactic. The redistricting was partisan politics at its worst. The leadership was even blocking parking places for staffers of decamped representatives. When the Democratic members of the House decamped to New Mexico, their compatriots from Colorado made a provisioning run to bring them sustenance and succor. Several carloads of beer and peaches (I'm not making this up) sustained the crew until they could bear New Mexico not a minute longer (I think it was about two days, or until they ran out of beer). Yeah. And then they went to Oklahoma. Good gawd. How desperate can you get? They survived there a week or two. Now that's real fortitude. -- Doug |
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On Nov 6, 12:55*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:25:33 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: On Nov 6, 10:18*am, wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:58:46 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. *To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. When the last Democratic President took office there was what was considered an insurmountable deficit. When he left office, eight years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a Republican Administration. What's the current deficit or surplus after 8 years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix your 8 years of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure you don't go stupid on us again. Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that they can't even get to. We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be admired and respected around the world. Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions. Please, where does one find that alternate reality dope you are sniffing? You're an alternate reality dope if ever there was one, bobber.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you need to deal with reality not drug induced delusions. |
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On Nov 6, 1:36*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
BobR wrote: Sort of reminds me of those great Texas Democrats a few years back who left the state to hide out rather than compromise. *The democratic answer is always to run from responsibility. Eh? *Were you here then? *There was no compromise on the table. *The Republicans were going to ram a gerrymandered redistricting plan down their throats. *It wasn't running from responsibility, it was running for it. * The redistricting was being done in an off year (non census) *for purely Republican political gain. *And they didn't care what anyone else thought about it. * -- Doug Yes, I was here then and know that the democrats were getting exactly what they deserved. The Democrats had been doing the exact same thing for the previous 100 years and it was a case of what goes around comes around. It was a bitter pill that the democrats didn't want to swallow but didn't have a choice. |
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On Nov 6, 2:31*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: Boy, are you ever uninformed. Texas Democrats are basically Republicans. That's why it was such a joke when GWB bragged about his ability to "reach across the aisle" when he was governor in Texas. It wasn't much of a reach. Once upon a time, maybe (like 1870). But at least since the days of Lyndon Johnson and Ralph Yarborough, most have been as liberal as possible. But for election purposes they love to pretend they are conservative. |
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"George" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in message ... SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote: I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young people were waving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right of free speach? One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry? Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you? Not much of an American. Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just those who agree with us. Really, then why does the word "idiot" appear so frequently in your posts when someone expresses their opinion? Might just be when he's responding to you. |
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On Nov 6, 3:13*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote: Desertion in the face of enemy fire, or going absent without leave is a classic Democratic ploy. I don't know of another time it's happened. Do you? At the time, I thought it was pretty clever tactic. *The redistricting was partisan politics at its worst. The leadership was even blocking parking places for staffers of decamped representatives. I agree, it was partisan politics at its worst but you also have to consider that it was pretty much tit for tat since the existing districts in place at that time were so convoluted in the opposite direction that the democrats deserved what they got. They had been in control for the prior 100 years and they had been redrawing the districts to ensure democratic wins in the majority of districts. When that failed, they abandon ship. When the Democratic members of the House decamped to New Mexico, their compatriots from Colorado made a provisioning run to bring them sustenance and succor. Several carloads of beer and peaches (I'm not making this up) sustained the crew until they could bear New Mexico not a minute longer (I think it was about two days, or until they ran out of beer). Yeah. *And then they went to Oklahoma. *Good gawd. *How desperate can you get? They survived there a week or two. *Now that's real fortitude. -- Doug I really laughed my ass off during that time. They looked so foolish, like a bunch of children that if they couldn't be in control...they would just quit. |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:
Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current left and right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. You could get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal. It would be interesting, anyway. I won't hold my breath for it however. Actually, I have often wondered whether a huge country like the U.S. could manage with a parliamentary system or at the least, with proportional representation. The Electoral College winner-takes-all is so, so...UN-representative... [... -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:22:51 -0800 (PST), BobR
wrote: On Nov 6, 12:55*pm, wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:25:33 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: On Nov 6, 10:18*am, wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:58:46 -0800 (PST), BobR wrote: What you failed to recognize is just how much the Democrats have contributed to screwing up this country over the last eight years and even more so in the last two. *To lay all the blame on Bush and the Republicans is to ignore the realities. When the last Democratic President took office there was what was considered an insurmountable deficit. When he left office, eight years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a Republican Administration. What's the current deficit or surplus after 8 years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix your 8 years of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure you don't go stupid on us again. Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that they can't even get to. We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be admired and respected around the world. Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions. Please, where does one find that alternate reality dope you are sniffing? You're an alternate reality dope if ever there was one, bobber.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you need to deal with reality not drug induced delusions. Is that what you are? Someone must have slipped me something. |
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cybercat wrote:
"George" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in message ... SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote: I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young people were waving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right of free speach? One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry? Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you? Not much of an American. Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just those who agree with us. Really, then why does the word "idiot" appear so frequently in your posts when someone expresses their opinion? Might just be when he's responding to you. Imagining more stuff again are we? Why not read a little upstream in the thread to discover how silly you are. |
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BobR wrote:
I agree, it was partisan politics at its worst but you also have to consider that it was pretty much tit for tat since the existing districts in place at that time were so convoluted in the opposite direction that the democrats deserved what they got. They had been in control for the prior 100 years and they had been redrawing the districts to ensure democratic wins in the majority of districts. When that failed, they abandon ship. Sigh. I don't let my grandchildren use the "he hit me first" excuse. Why should I let politicians? I really laughed my ass off during that time. They looked so foolish, like a bunch of children that if they couldn't be in control...they would just quit. Both sides were being very childish. Three, count them, three special sessions to redistrict. Meanwhile, they were busy ignoring school financing. We really need politicians that put country (or state) ahead of party. They seem to be equally scarce on both sides of the aisle. -- Doug |
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