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Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
On Oct 31, 12:55*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? *Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, *but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . *Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would ***** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Excellent post! Of the 4 people up for the election (okay there are others, but...) the one that scares me the most is Palin for the reasons you gave plus some others. To me, she comes off as a complete bubble head. Harry K |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Harry K wrote:
On Oct 31, 12:55 pm, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Excellent post! Of the 4 people up for the election (okay there are others, but...) the one that scares me the most is Palin for the reasons you gave plus some others. To me, she comes off as a complete bubble head. Harry K And yet some people love her. Frightening, isn't it? nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. then why does obammy want to change it and think it is defective? |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. TDD No, only certain factions of the Republican party. the rest of us are scared that there's enough of them that they'll go ahead and keep doing what they want anyway until someone catches them, and then tell them to **** up a rope and keep doing what they want... nate Oh I see, only some of The Republicans are stupid. Are there any stupid Democrats? I want to be fair and balanced. *snicker* TDD |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. TDD No, only certain factions of the Republican party. the rest of us are scared that there's enough of them that they'll go ahead and keep doing what they want anyway until someone catches them, and then tell them to **** up a rope and keep doing what they want... nate Oh I see, only some of The Republicans are stupid. Are there any stupid Democrats? I want to be fair and balanced. *snicker* TDD Sure. There's a whole lot of stupid out there. Every time I forget this, it's time to go grocery shopping again and I get many many object lessons. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. TDD No, only certain factions of the Republican party. the rest of us are scared that there's enough of them that they'll go ahead and keep doing what they want anyway until someone catches them, and then tell them to **** up a rope and keep doing what they want... nate Oh I see, only some of The Republicans are stupid. Are there any stupid Democrats? I want to be fair and balanced. *snicker* TDD Sure. There's a whole lot of stupid out there. Every time I forget this, it's time to go grocery shopping again and I get many many object lessons. nate Remember, 90% aren't in the top 10%. The problem is that most of the 90% are politicians. Boden |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. TDD No, only certain factions of the Republican party. the rest of us are scared that there's enough of them that they'll go ahead and keep doing what they want anyway until someone catches them, and then tell them to **** up a rope and keep doing what they want... nate Oh I see, only some of The Republicans are stupid. Are there any stupid Democrats? I want to be fair and balanced. *snicker* TDD Sure. There's a whole lot of stupid out there. Every time I forget this, it's time to go grocery shopping again and I get many many object lessons. nate A grocery store is a very good place to observe human behavior. I used to do a lot of work on automatic doors. When I would shut down a door system to work on it, I would prop open the door I wasn't working on and block the path to the door that was under repair with overturned carts. People would climb over the overturned shopping carts to squeeze through the non functioning door. Not only that but they would get offended and nasty with me when I politely pointed out the fact that there was an unobstructed path over there. If you think that's funny, I was installing some new doors at a hospital when a woman carrying an infant climbed over the furniture we had used to block a path so she could get through the opening. For some reason or other, I find it hard to get angry with our government when it can't seem to keep Mexicans out with a fence. They should use land mines or ask some old East Germans how to. TDD |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote in
: Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 12:55 pm, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Excellent post! Of the 4 people up for the election (okay there are others, but...) the one that scares me the most is Palin for the reasons you gave plus some others. To me, she comes off as a complete bubble head. Harry K And yet some people love her. Frightening, isn't it? nate Did you read those cites I posted the other day? About Obama and the Constitution? (I doubt it...) THAT's "frightening",what Obama would do to the Constitution(and America). -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:30:39 -0400, SenatorPorkBarrell
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. then why does obammy want to change it and think it is defective? Iook forward to your posting specific statements that Obama has made to support your contention that he thinks the Constitution is "defective". Please also post specific things he has said he wants to "change" in the Constitution. You are, of course, aware that changing anything in the Constitution requires inter alia an amendment that must be ratified by 3/4 of the States. Obama knows this too. See: www.usconstitution.net/constam.html |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
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Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. Well, who are you terrified of? Perhaps Bee-HO will use all those new anti-terrorism laws and powers against those who oppose him. I'm sure Hitlerly Clinton would. And no, I'm not a Republican. TDD |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. McCain made 1,500 pages of medical records available for media inspection. The New York Times calls the release "unusually broad." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A96F9582 60 According to his home-town newspaper, Obama has release a one-page, 276-word, testament from his doctor that he's fit to serve as president. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008..._informat.html It's EASY to look this stuff up. Try doing so, you'll like it. |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
It's a slam dunk that he's eligible to be president, even without it. Actually, that seems to be in question, since the orig. BC is being withheld. My guess is that it was sealed mainly to prevent the state from being inundated with thousands of unnecessary requests for it. Why not just put it on the state website then? I'm still waiting for proof that McCain is not the father of Bristol Palin's baby. Why is he hiding that? I don't think anyone has asked for proof of that. |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
On Oct 29, 10:31*pm, BobR wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. (Story continues below) WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital- generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay. |
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z wrote:
in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay. I do almost the same thing when asked for my birthdate: "I'll admit I was there at the time, but I neglected to write it down." |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
On Oct 31, 9:47*pm, z wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:31*pm, BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. (Story continues below) WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital- generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either born or someone is faking a live person very well ;) You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does. Harry K |
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On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote: On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. (Story continues below) WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital- generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either born or someone is faking a live person very well ;) You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does. Harry K yea but where? |
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On Oct 31, 5:53*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:32*am, wrote: On Oct 31, 9:29*am, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 6:22*am, wrote: On Oct 31, 1:09*am, Mac Cool wrote: BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. It wasn't McCain or his minions that sealed all records relating to BO's birth. *It was the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat. * I'm sure if it was a Republican governor that sealed McCains birth certificate, the Dems would have no legitimate questions about that, right? LOL * Remember how many days and weeks were spent by everyone in the mainstream media when Bush was running, trying to figure out where Bush was for 2 weeks while in the National Guard 30 years ago? *Curios that they have no interest in why a governor just sealed BO's birth records. * If this were a republican, the camera crews would be camped out on the governor's front lawn, demanding an explanation. BTW, if it were McCain that was apparently trying to hide his birth records, I'd be suspicious too, because it doesn't make any sense. Why isn't it better to have full disclosure on this straightforward issue now, rather than a potential Consitutional crisis 6 months from now, or a president left demolished, untrusted, and unable to govern because something finally comes out. I see this crap is _still_ going on. *If there were anythign at all behind it, the repubs would have been all over it 2 years ago. And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? *Hmmm. Very curious, because when you have the governor of Hawaii sealing the records, it raises suspicion. * So, why would an intelligent candidate running for office who has nothing to hide, choose to not release them, siding with a governor, in what is obviously going to raise even more questions, instead of simple open disclosure? *Plus, who thinks that Dem governor sealed those records without consulting BO first? Kind of funny how the libs who are all for openess in govt, cry at every alleged abuse of power, etc, *defend a Dem governor sealing the birth records of a Dem candidate right before the election and find nothing suspicious at all. * But I guess we're all supposed to just bow down because, after all, it's the great one we're taking about. The lawsuit was thrown out of court as haveing no standing (Berg). That's fine, it still doesn't answer why BO won't release his birth records. Obama is a natural born American - deal with it. Check it at snopes.com or: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Factcheck only saw the state issued COPY of BO's birth certificate. A copy that when released by the campaign, had the state identifying numbers on it redacted. * What is being kept sealed is the ORIGINAL birth certificate which would have been issued at the hospital at the actual time of birth. *Now, I don't care what satisfies Factcheck. But, I can tell you one thing. *When someone whites out part of a birth certificate, it raises huge red flags for me. * * *The campaign said they did it because they thought those numbers might be confidential to the state of Hawaii. * Perhaps that makes sense to you, but it doesn't past the smell test to me. Combine that with the recent sealing of the original records by the governor, and yes I think most reasonable people would have questions. * And questions that could be so easily answered in a few hours and put to rest by BO just saying he wants his original birth certificate released. * What is he hiding? * *And don't give us the identity theft excuse, like someone is going to use this original birth certificate to represent themselves as BO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - so you did a quick scan of the cite, ignored anything that doesn't agree with your kookism and outright overlook that the "redacted" date has been corrected as well as the very reasonable explanation of _why_ it was redacted. * So, the explanation by the BO campaign that it was redacted because the campaign thought it might be considered secret and not for release by the state of Hawaii is reasonable to you? Tells us a lot. Let's see, you're working for BO and about to release a copy of BO's birth certificate. You have 3 choices: A - Release the copy as is B - You have questions about what is basicly a serial number on it is all about, so knowing if you redact something like this in the middle of a presedential campaign, it;s going to raise questions and suspicions, so you contact Hawaii officials and verify that it isn't a state secret and has no signifcance to them. You then release it unredacted. C - You decide to redact it and say you did it because you didn't know what that serial number was all about. So, knowing it's just a birth certificate, you'd pick C? or just maybe it's D D - You elevate this whole thing to senior staff and likely BO himself, and they decide they would rather redact and raise questions because they have something to hide. Combine that with the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat recently sealing all the records relating to BO's birth when reporters tried to get a copy of the original and you just buy this whole story line? Absolutley amazing. BTW, compare this to McCain's full release of 1500 pages of medical records, including psychological profiles. Where are BO's medical records? Oh, that's right, they haven't been released. Every rumor, lie, etc. about the BC was very effectively answered in that cite. Yeah, explained real well. About as well as Rosemary Woods explanation of how she created an 18 min gap on the Nixon tapes by leaning over to answer the phone. Obama is a natural born citizen - deal with it as he will most likely be your next president (against my wishes BTW). The issue isn't even if he is a natural born citizen. The issue is that we don't know what the hell he is hiding or why, but the actions so far raise much suspicion. Why have the Gov of Hawaii seal records, if you have nothing to hide? Apparently, there are guys like you who would rather just buy some story line, rather than just insist that BO allow access to all his birth records. What exactly is the big deal with him taking that very simple, straightforward step? You'd rather risk tearing the country apart when 6 months from now someone could finally release something that voters have every right to see NOW? I repeat - if there were anything at all out there the repubs would have found it 2 years ago. *Are you so far gone in conspiracy that you _really_ think the repubs would have let this go on right up to the election without taking action? You mean just like the Dems figured out what the break-in at their own headquarters was all about during the 1972 campaign? Following your line of reasoning, because the Dems didn't investigate it and figure it out, it was just peachy keen to take Nixon at his word, ignore all those pesky reporters and individuals that were suspicious and asking for more info and re-elect Nixon. He surely couldn't have anything to hide or the Dems would have found it, right? Come to think of it, with the Gov of Hawaii sealing BO's birth certificate, this is starting to sound like Nixon. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Nov 1, 7:00*am, SenatorPork wrote:
Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote: On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. (Story continues below) WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital- generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either born or someone is faking a live person very well ;) You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does. Harry K yea but where?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In Hawaii as all but the kooks know. Harry K |
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07.dc1.easynews.com: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:20:18 -0400, wrote: On 31 Oct 2008 14:05:58 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote: Mac Cool wrote in : BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. reasons why you SHOULDNT vote for Obama are just as valid. He's a communist. He will destroy the Constitution and freedom. Bwhahahahahaha! Yeah.... "Communist" is what those people call anyone they don't agree with. They have been taught to use that term by our corporate masters. AActually, they haven't a clue what Communism is. everything Obama says is right out of the Communist Manifesto,by Karl Marx. socialism is just incremental steps to communism. It's you folk who don't have a clue. Like Stalin's "Useful Idiots". -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Nov 1, 7:07*am, wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:53*pm, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 8:32*am, wrote: On Oct 31, 9:29*am, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 6:22*am, wrote: On Oct 31, 1:09*am, Mac Cool wrote: BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. It wasn't McCain or his minions that sealed all records relating to BO's birth. *It was the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat. * I'm sure if it was a Republican governor that sealed McCains birth certificate, the Dems would have no legitimate questions about that, right? LOL * Remember how many days and weeks were spent by everyone in the mainstream media when Bush was running, trying to figure out where Bush was for 2 weeks while in the National Guard 30 years ago? *Curios that they have no interest in why a governor just sealed BO's birth records. * If this were a republican, the camera crews would be camped out on the governor's front lawn, demanding an explanation. BTW, if it were McCain that was apparently trying to hide his birth records, I'd be suspicious too, because it doesn't make any sense.. Why isn't it better to have full disclosure on this straightforward issue now, rather than a potential Consitutional crisis 6 months from now, or a president left demolished, untrusted, and unable to govern because something finally comes out. I see this crap is _still_ going on. *If there were anythign at all behind it, the repubs would have been all over it 2 years ago. And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? *Hmmm. Very curious, because when you have the governor of Hawaii sealing the records, it raises suspicion. * So, why would an intelligent candidate running for office who has nothing to hide, choose to not release them, siding with a governor, in what is obviously going to raise even more questions, instead of simple open disclosure? *Plus, who thinks that Dem governor sealed those records without consulting BO first? Kind of funny how the libs who are all for openess in govt, cry at every alleged abuse of power, etc, *defend a Dem governor sealing the birth records of a Dem candidate right before the election and find nothing suspicious at all. * But I guess we're all supposed to just bow down because, after all, it's the great one we're taking about. The lawsuit was thrown out of court as haveing no standing (Berg). That's fine, it still doesn't answer why BO won't release his birth records. Obama is a natural born American - deal with it. Check it at snopes.com or: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Factcheck only saw the state issued COPY of BO's birth certificate. A copy that when released by the campaign, had the state identifying numbers on it redacted. * What is being kept sealed is the ORIGINAL birth certificate which would have been issued at the hospital at the actual time of birth. *Now, I don't care what satisfies Factcheck. But, I can tell you one thing. *When someone whites out part of a birth certificate, it raises huge red flags for me. * * *The campaign said they did it because they thought those numbers might be confidential to the state of Hawaii. * Perhaps that makes sense to you, but it doesn't past the smell test to me. Combine that with the recent sealing of the original records by the governor, and yes I think most reasonable people would have questions. * And questions that could be so easily answered in a few hours and put to rest by BO just saying he wants his original birth certificate released. * What is he hiding? * *And don't give us the identity theft excuse, like someone is going to use this original birth certificate to represent themselves as BO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - so you did a quick scan of the cite, ignored anything that doesn't agree with your kookism and outright overlook that the "redacted" date has been corrected as well as the very reasonable explanation of _why_ it was redacted. * So, the explanation by the BO campaign that it was redacted because the campaign thought it might be considered secret and not for release by the state of Hawaii is reasonable to you? * *Tells us a lot. Let's see, you're working for BO and about to release a copy of BO's birth certificate. * You have 3 choices: A - Release the copy as is B - You have questions about what is basicly a serial number on it is all about, so knowing if you redact something like this in the middle of a presedential campaign, it;s going to raise questions and suspicions, so you contact Hawaii officials and verify that it isn't a state secret and has no signifcance to them. * *You then release it unredacted. C - You decide to redact it and say you did it because you didn't know what that serial number was all about. So, knowing it's just a birth certificate, you'd pick C? or just maybe it's D D - You elevate this whole thing to senior staff and likely BO himself, and they decide they would rather redact and raise questions because they have something to hide. Combine that with the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat recently sealing all the records relating to BO's birth when reporters tried to get a copy of the original and you just buy this whole story line? Absolutley amazing. BTW, compare this to McCain's full release of 1500 pages of medical records, including psychological profiles. *Where are BO's medical records? *Oh, that's right, they haven't been released. Every rumor, lie, etc. about the BC was very effectively answered in that cite. Yeah, explained real well. * *About as well as Rosemary Woods explanation of how she created an 18 min gap on the Nixon tapes by leaning over to answer the phone. Obama is a natural born citizen - deal with it as he will most likely be your next president (against my wishes BTW). The issue isn't even if he is a natural born citizen. * *The issue is that we don't know what the hell he is hiding or why, but the actions so far raise much suspicion. *Why have the Gov of Hawaii seal records, if you have nothing to hide? * *Apparently, there are guys like you who would rather just buy some story line, rather than just insist that BO allow access to all his birth records. * What exactly is the big deal with him taking that very simple, straightforward step? You'd rather risk tearing the country apart when 6 months from now someone could finally release something that voters have every right to see NOW? I repeat - if there were anything at all out there the repubs would have found it 2 years ago. *Are you so far gone in conspiracy that you _really_ think the repubs would have let this go on right up to the election without taking action? You mean just like the Dems figured out what the break-in at their own headquarters was all about during the 1972 campaign? * *Following your line of reasoning, because the Dems didn't investigate it and figure it out, *it was just peachy keen to take Nixon at his word, ignore all those pesky reporters and individuals that were suspicious and asking for more info and re-elect Nixon. * He surely couldn't have anything to hide or the Dems would have found it, right? * *Come to think of it, with the Gov of Hawaii sealing BO's birth certificate, this is starting to sound like Nixon. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I see you also lbelieve in Santa Clause Harry K |
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: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
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: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:30:39 -0400, SenatorPorkBarrell wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. then why does obammy want to change it and think it is defective? Iook forward to your posting specific statements that Obama has made to support your contention that he thinks the Constitution is "defective". Please also post specific things he has said he wants to "change" in the Constitution. You are, of course, aware that changing anything in the Constitution requires inter alia an amendment that must be ratified by 3/4 of the States. Obama knows this too. See: www.usconstitution.net/constam.html the last is not true;signing a treaty can override the Constitution. http://tinyurl.com/5f8cc9 be sure to read Page 2. and the Supreme Court seems to go outside the Consitution,when they refer to "what France does" in their rulings.(Ginsberg) you also may find this educational; http://tinyurl.com/5suyr2 -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Jim Yanik wrote:
wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
Harry K wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:07 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 5:53 pm, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 8:32 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 9:29 am, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 6:22 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 1:09 am, Mac Cool wrote: BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. It wasn't McCain or his minions that sealed all records relating to BO's birth. It was the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat. I'm sure if it was a Republican governor that sealed McCains birth certificate, the Dems would have no legitimate questions about that, right? LOL Remember how many days and weeks were spent by everyone in the mainstream media when Bush was running, trying to figure out where Bush was for 2 weeks while in the National Guard 30 years ago? Curios that they have no interest in why a governor just sealed BO's birth records. If this were a republican, the camera crews would be camped out on the governor's front lawn, demanding an explanation. BTW, if it were McCain that was apparently trying to hide his birth records, I'd be suspicious too, because it doesn't make any sense. Why isn't it better to have full disclosure on this straightforward issue now, rather than a potential Consitutional crisis 6 months from now, or a president left demolished, untrusted, and unable to govern because something finally comes out. I see this crap is _still_ going on. If there were anythign at all behind it, the repubs would have been all over it 2 years ago. And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. Very curious, because when you have the governor of Hawaii sealing the records, it raises suspicion. So, why would an intelligent candidate running for office who has nothing to hide, choose to not release them, siding with a governor, in what is obviously going to raise even more questions, instead of simple open disclosure? Plus, who thinks that Dem governor sealed those records without consulting BO first? Kind of funny how the libs who are all for openess in govt, cry at every alleged abuse of power, etc, defend a Dem governor sealing the birth records of a Dem candidate right before the election and find nothing suspicious at all. But I guess we're all supposed to just bow down because, after all, it's the great one we're taking about. The lawsuit was thrown out of court as haveing no standing (Berg). That's fine, it still doesn't answer why BO won't release his birth records. Obama is a natural born American - deal with it. Check it at snopes.com or: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Factcheck only saw the state issued COPY of BO's birth certificate. A copy that when released by the campaign, had the state identifying numbers on it redacted. What is being kept sealed is the ORIGINAL birth certificate which would have been issued at the hospital at the actual time of birth. Now, I don't care what satisfies Factcheck. But, I can tell you one thing. When someone whites out part of a birth certificate, it raises huge red flags for me. The campaign said they did it because they thought those numbers might be confidential to the state of Hawaii. Perhaps that makes sense to you, but it doesn't past the smell test to me. Combine that with the recent sealing of the original records by the governor, and yes I think most reasonable people would have questions. And questions that could be so easily answered in a few hours and put to rest by BO just saying he wants his original birth certificate released. What is he hiding? And don't give us the identity theft excuse, like someone is going to use this original birth certificate to represent themselves as BO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - so you did a quick scan of the cite, ignored anything that doesn't agree with your kookism and outright overlook that the "redacted" date has been corrected as well as the very reasonable explanation of _why_ it was redacted. So, the explanation by the BO campaign that it was redacted because the campaign thought it might be considered secret and not for release by the state of Hawaii is reasonable to you? Tells us a lot. Let's see, you're working for BO and about to release a copy of BO's birth certificate. You have 3 choices: A - Release the copy as is B - You have questions about what is basicly a serial number on it is all about, so knowing if you redact something like this in the middle of a presedential campaign, it;s going to raise questions and suspicions, so you contact Hawaii officials and verify that it isn't a state secret and has no signifcance to them. You then release it unredacted. C - You decide to redact it and say you did it because you didn't know what that serial number was all about. So, knowing it's just a birth certificate, you'd pick C? or just maybe it's D D - You elevate this whole thing to senior staff and likely BO himself, and they decide they would rather redact and raise questions because they have something to hide. Combine that with the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat recently sealing all the records relating to BO's birth when reporters tried to get a copy of the original and you just buy this whole story line? Absolutley amazing. BTW, compare this to McCain's full release of 1500 pages of medical records, including psychological profiles. Where are BO's medical records? Oh, that's right, they haven't been released. Every rumor, lie, etc. about the BC was very effectively answered in that cite. Yeah, explained real well. About as well as Rosemary Woods explanation of how she created an 18 min gap on the Nixon tapes by leaning over to answer the phone. Obama is a natural born citizen - deal with it as he will most likely be your next president (against my wishes BTW). The issue isn't even if he is a natural born citizen. The issue is that we don't know what the hell he is hiding or why, but the actions so far raise much suspicion. Why have the Gov of Hawaii seal records, if you have nothing to hide? Apparently, there are guys like you who would rather just buy some story line, rather than just insist that BO allow access to all his birth records. What exactly is the big deal with him taking that very simple, straightforward step? You'd rather risk tearing the country apart when 6 months from now someone could finally release something that voters have every right to see NOW? I repeat - if there were anything at all out there the repubs would have found it 2 years ago. Are you so far gone in conspiracy that you _really_ think the repubs would have let this go on right up to the election without taking action? You mean just like the Dems figured out what the break-in at their own headquarters was all about during the 1972 campaign? Following your line of reasoning, because the Dems didn't investigate it and figure it out, it was just peachy keen to take Nixon at his word, ignore all those pesky reporters and individuals that were suspicious and asking for more info and re-elect Nixon. He surely couldn't have anything to hide or the Dems would have found it, right? Come to think of it, with the Gov of Hawaii sealing BO's birth certificate, this is starting to sound like Nixon. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I see you also lbelieve in Santa Clause Harry K so after being bitch slapped all you can do is babble? |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
Harry K wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:00 am, SenatorPork wrote: Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote: On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. (Story continues below) WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital- generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either born or someone is faking a live person very well ;) You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does. Harry K yea but where?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In Hawaii as all but the kooks know. Harry K then why not release the original birth cert? |
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Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote in
: Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Jim Yanik wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do things that I needed to do online. That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a) Palin is not insultingly unqualified and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote in
: Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do things that I needed to do online. That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a) Palin is not insultingly unqualified She's more qualified that OBAMA.Obama's never run anything. and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power. nate so,you're STILL operating in ignorance. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
On Nov 1, 1:05*pm, SenatorPork wrote:
Harry K wrote: On Nov 1, 7:00 am, SenatorPork wrote: Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote: On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
On Nov 1, 1:05*pm, SenatorPork wrote:
Harry K wrote: On Nov 1, 7:07 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 5:53 pm, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 8:32 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 9:29 am, Harry K wrote: On Oct 31, 6:22 am, wrote: On Oct 31, 1:09 am, Mac Cool wrote: BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. It wasn't McCain or his minions that sealed all records relating to BO's birth. *It was the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat. * I'm sure if it was a Republican governor that sealed McCains birth certificate, the Dems would have no legitimate questions about that, right? LOL * Remember how many days and weeks were spent by everyone in the mainstream media when Bush was running, trying to figure out where Bush was for 2 weeks while in the National Guard 30 years ago? *Curios that they have no interest in why a governor just sealed BO's birth records. * If this were a republican, the camera crews would be camped out on the governor's front lawn, demanding an explanation. BTW, if it were McCain that was apparently trying to hide his birth records, I'd be suspicious too, because it doesn't make any sense. Why isn't it better to have full disclosure on this straightforward issue now, rather than a potential Consitutional crisis 6 months from now, or a president left demolished, untrusted, and unable to govern because something finally comes out. I see this crap is _still_ going on. *If there were anythign at all behind it, the repubs would have been all over it 2 years ago. And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? *Hmmm.. Very curious, because when you have the governor of Hawaii sealing the records, it raises suspicion. * So, why would an intelligent candidate running for office who has nothing to hide, choose to not release them, siding with a governor, in what is obviously going to raise even more questions, instead of simple open disclosure? *Plus, who thinks that Dem governor sealed those records without consulting BO first? Kind of funny how the libs who are all for openess in govt, cry at every alleged abuse of power, etc, *defend a Dem governor sealing the birth records of a Dem candidate right before the election and find nothing suspicious at all. * But I guess we're all supposed to just bow down because, after all, it's the great one we're taking about. The lawsuit was thrown out of court as haveing no standing (Berg). That's fine, it still doesn't answer why BO won't release his birth records. Obama is a natural born American - deal with it. Check it at snopes.com or: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Factcheck only saw the state issued COPY of BO's birth certificate. A copy that when released by the campaign, had the state identifying numbers on it redacted. * What is being kept sealed is the ORIGINAL birth certificate which would have been issued at the hospital at the actual time of birth. *Now, I don't care what satisfies Factcheck. But, I can tell you one thing. *When someone whites out part of a birth certificate, it raises huge red flags for me. * * *The campaign said they did it because they thought those numbers might be confidential to the state of Hawaii. * Perhaps that makes sense to you, but it doesn't past the smell test to me. Combine that with the recent sealing of the original records by the governor, and yes I think most reasonable people would have questions. * And questions that could be so easily answered in a few hours and put to rest by BO just saying he wants his original birth certificate released. * What is he hiding? * *And don't give us the identity theft excuse, like someone is going to use this original birth certificate to represent themselves as BO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - so you did a quick scan of the cite, ignored anything that doesn't agree with your kookism and outright overlook that the "redacted" date has been corrected as well as the very reasonable explanation of _why_ it was redacted. * So, the explanation by the BO campaign that it was redacted because the campaign thought it might be considered secret and not for release by the state of Hawaii is reasonable to you? * *Tells us a lot. Let's see, you're working for BO and about to release a copy of BO's birth certificate. * You have 3 choices: A - Release the copy as is B - You have questions about what is basicly a serial number on it is all about, so knowing if you redact something like this in the middle of a presedential campaign, it;s going to raise questions and suspicions, so you contact Hawaii officials and verify that it isn't a state secret and has no signifcance to them. * *You then release it unredacted. C - You decide to redact it and say you did it because you didn't know what that serial number was all about. So, knowing it's just a birth certificate, you'd pick C? or just maybe it's D D - You elevate this whole thing to senior staff and likely BO himself, and they decide they would rather redact and raise questions because they have something to hide. Combine that with the Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat recently sealing all the records relating to BO's birth when reporters tried to get a copy of the original and you just buy this whole story line? Absolutley amazing. BTW, compare this to McCain's full release of 1500 pages of medical records, including psychological profiles. *Where are BO's medical records? *Oh, that's right, they haven't been released. Every rumor, lie, etc. about the BC was very effectively answered in that cite. Yeah, explained real well. * *About as well as Rosemary Woods explanation of how she created an 18 min gap on the Nixon tapes by leaning over to answer the phone. Obama is a natural born citizen - deal with it as he will most likely be your next president (against my wishes BTW). The issue isn't even if he is a natural born citizen. * *The issue is that we don't know what the hell he is hiding or why, but the actions so far raise much suspicion. *Why have the Gov of Hawaii seal records, if you have nothing to hide? * *Apparently, there are guys like you who would rather just buy some story line, rather than just insist that BO allow access to all his birth records. * What exactly is the big deal with him taking that very simple, straightforward step? You'd rather risk tearing the country apart when 6 months from now someone could finally release something that voters have every right to see NOW? I repeat - if there were anything at all out there the repubs would have found it 2 years ago. *Are you so far gone in conspiracy that you _really_ think the repubs would have let this go on right up to the election without taking action? You mean just like the Dems figured out what the break-in at their own headquarters was all about during the 1972 campaign? * *Following your line of reasoning, because the Dems didn't investigate it and figure it out, *it was just peachy keen to take Nixon at his word, ignore all those pesky reporters and individuals that were suspicious and asking for more info and re-elect Nixon. * He surely couldn't have anything to hide or the Dems would have found it, right? * *Come to think of it, with the Gov of Hawaii sealing BO's birth certificate, this is starting to sound like Nixon. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I see you also lbelieve in Santa Clause Harry K so after being bitch slapped all you can do is babble?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now you are beliving in the tooth fairy also? Harry K |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Jim Yanik wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do things that I needed to do online. That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a) Palin is not insultingly unqualified She's more qualified that OBAMA.Obama's never run anything. Obama can at least fake it and sound like a president. Palin sounds like a suburban soccer mom, and I don't mean that as a compliment. and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power. nate so,you're STILL operating in ignorance. See, this is why people don't take your posts seriously. You take something that is obviously, commonly known to be true and call people who state the obvious "ignorant." The obvious explanation is of course that *you* are the one that is ignorant... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
"SenatorPorkBarrell" wrote in message . .. then why does obammy want to change it and think it is defective? That would be George Bush you are thinking of. |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Nate Nagel wrote in
: Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do things that I needed to do online. That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a) Palin is not insultingly unqualified She's more qualified that OBAMA.Obama's never run anything. Obama can at least fake it and sound like a president. Palin sounds like a suburban soccer mom, and I don't mean that as a compliment. WHO CARES if somebody -sounds- "Presidential"? (or can "fake it"..WTF???) It's not an acting job.It one of the most SERIOUS jobs in the world. (and folk like you would elect an inexperienced,no-achiever to the position because he talks a good game.) and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power. Hey,Obama is NOT running against Bush/Cheney. nate so,you're STILL operating in ignorance. See, this is why people don't take your posts seriously. You take something that is obviously, commonly known to be true and call people who state the obvious "ignorant." The obvious explanation is of course that *you* are the one that is ignorant... nate Nate,you professed to care deeply about the Constitution,yet don't have the time to read information highly pertinent to protecting the Constitution and the Judicial system of the US.You blindly accept whatever the MSM puts out despite their well-known bias and left-leaning,but will not check out anything else.You professed to be "centrist" or "conservative",but everything you post is way left of center and nothing more than DemocRAT talking points. Either you are in denial about anything that is contrary to your beliefs,or you're full of BS.(and ignorant.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
"Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... Mac Cool wrote in : BobR: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Desperation isn't pretty. Goes to show McCain and his minions will say or do anything at this point to try and gain traction... anything except give good reasons on why I should vote for him. reasons why you SHOULDNT vote for Obama are just as valid. He's a communist. He will destroy the Constitution and freedom. McCains the one who spent 5 1/2 years pallin' around with communists. |
Palin unqualified [was: So WHAT is Obama hiding?]
Jim Yanik wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: Nate Nagel wrote in : Jim Yanik wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't BO just say he wants any and all records related to his birth released, in particular the original birth certificate from the hospital? Hmmm. I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release their medical records? Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she taking? How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep mental wounds. Those are some pretty important issues that require the same or greater level of disclosure. I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold out g Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic . Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is troubling. If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution, which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE! Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states. My God, people on both sides believe that a US president has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of the education system in my country is now quite apparent. I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM terrified. The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. derangement syndrome.... I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote won't make a difference.) nate I see you never read the articles I posted a link to. So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any possibility you might be open-minded. I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do things that I needed to do online. That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a) Palin is not insultingly unqualified She's more qualified that OBAMA.Obama's never run anything. Obama can at least fake it and sound like a president. Palin sounds like a suburban soccer mom, and I don't mean that as a compliment. WHO CARES if somebody -sounds- "Presidential"? (or can "fake it"..WTF???) umm... other world leaders, with whom we have to interact? Let's say that McCain gets elected (it won't happen, but humor me.) He dies in office. Palin finishes out his term. She's a ****ing joke - nobody would take her seriously; her style is that of a whiny mom at a PTA meeting, not the leader of a major world power. It's not an acting job.It one of the most SERIOUS jobs in the world. (and folk like you would elect an inexperienced,no-achiever to the position because he talks a good game.) You'd vote for an inexperienced, no-achiever who can't even appear to fit the job. and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power. Hey,Obama is NOT running against Bush/Cheney. Of course he is. And until the Republican party publicly breaks with them, he SHOULD (and so should Barr and that crazy woman.) nate so,you're STILL operating in ignorance. See, this is why people don't take your posts seriously. You take something that is obviously, commonly known to be true and call people who state the obvious "ignorant." The obvious explanation is of course that *you* are the one that is ignorant... nate Nate,you professed to care deeply about the Constitution,yet don't have the time to read information highly pertinent to protecting the Constitution and the Judicial system of the US.You blindly accept whatever the MSM puts out despite their well-known bias and left-leaning,but will not check out anything else.You professed to be "centrist" or "conservative",but everything you post is way left of center and nothing more than DemocRAT talking points. Either you are in denial about anything that is contrary to your beliefs,or you're full of BS.(and ignorant.) Neither. I just understand that Bush and Cheney are the greatest threats to the Constitution that we've ever seen, so pretty much everyone else is a lesser evil. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
So WHAT is Obama hiding?
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BobR wrote: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 WorldNetDaily Exclusive Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi WorldNetDaily HONOLULU, Hawaii Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation and even several lawsuits WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. Linda Lingle is Republican. - Don Klipstein ) |
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