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finding a buried A/C cable
Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a
potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? -- Replace you know what by j to email |
finding a buried A/C cable
Jud McCranie wrote:
Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? Hi, Metal detector? Or if switch is turned on a magnetic compass? Or wire tracing buzzer? |
finding a buried A/C cable
Jud McCranie wrote:
Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? I've used a small battery powered radio switched to the AM band to trace live wires before. Tune it to a relatively quiet section of the band and wave it near a known live wire and listen to the humming sound it makes. I have also used a tone generator of the type used for tracing telephone and network cables in conjunction with an AM radio to trace hidden wires. The toner produces enough RF harmonics in the AM band that tracing a wire is no problem. You would have to make sure there was no power on the circuit first before hooking up a toner. [8~{} Uncle Monster |
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Uncle Monster wrote:
-snip- I'd like to know what detector costs $20.00, what brand is it? This one works for me- Neiko- "Digital 3-in-1 Metal, Voltage and Stud Detector - Auto-Calibrating" http://www.jackstoolshed.zoovy.com/p...&utm_campaign= I paid $20 +shipping - they are $7 now. I got one for hobby metal detecting- and it worked so well I bought a couple more as backups. Jim |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:23:42 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: This one works for me- Neiko- "Digital 3-in-1 Metal, Voltage and Stud Detector - Auto-Calibrating" http://www.jackstoolshed.zoovy.com/p...&utm_campaign= I paid $20 +shipping - they are $7 now. The cable is 10 or 12 inches underground, will that work at that depth? (My kid's toy metal detector wouldn't do it.) -- Replace you know what by j to email |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas
wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. -- Replace you know what by j to email |
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Jud McCranie wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. "Effectiveness of rain dance is highly dependent on timing." -Baxter Black quip "Accuracy of dowsing highly dependent on location of digging" -dpb -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Sep 15, 2:09*am, Jud McCranie
wrote: Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. *It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. *Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? * -- Replace you know what by j to email Any reason you can't call the previous owners? |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:06 -0400, Jud McCranie
wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:23:42 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: This one works for me- Neiko- "Digital 3-in-1 Metal, Voltage and Stud Detector - Auto-Calibrating" http://www.jackstoolshed.zoovy.com/p...&utm_campaign= I paid $20 +shipping - they are $7 now. The cable is 10 or 12 inches underground, will that work at that depth? (My kid's toy metal detector wouldn't do it.) Sorry about that- No I just tried it. The depth is about 3-4 inches. Buy your a kid a Garrett Ace detector- that finds it. http://www.compuplus.com/i-Garrett-A...7729212wt7ui27 Looks like a toy- priced like a toy [$125]- but it works better than a lot of the high priced detectors; http://www.compuplus.com/i-Garrett-A...7729212wt7ui27 Jim |
finding a buried A/C cable
"Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. My father swears by that method, but I've never had much success. I've met others who claim it is valid. |
finding a buried A/C cable
"Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? -- Replace you know what by j to email Get two pieces of straight bailing wire about a foot long. Bend them in an L, with the short leg about 3". Hold the 3" legs very loosely in your fists so they can spin. Hold your fists at waist level, slightly down so the points swing to the front of you. As you walk over the line, the two points will swing parallel right-left. This also works for sprinkler, water lines, and metal objects. Trick is not to hold them too tight so they can swing. I have seen some people use two empty Tabasco bottles, and have seen fancy ones that have ball bearing swivels and small cylinders that keep the palms of the hands from touching the swinging parts. It works. Steve |
finding a buried A/C cable
Jud McCranie wrote:
Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? Whenever I've had construction work done, there is some service that comes out ahead of time and marks the utility lines. They only mark the public lines and not any private ones, but they certainly have the technology and maybe, for a price, would mark private lines. |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT), Pat
wrote: Any reason you can't call the previous owners? He lives in another state. I know where comes out of the house, but I don't know where the end of it is. -- Replace you know what by j to email |
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On Sep 15, 11:21*am, Richard Evans wrote:
Jud McCranie wrote: Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. *It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. *Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? * Whenever I've had construction work done, there is some service that comes out ahead of time and marks the utility lines. They only mark the public lines and not any private ones, but they certainly have the technology and maybe, for a price, would mark private lines. UFPOs don't actually mark the lines. They mark where the lines are supposed to me, based on mapping. They are supposed to be accurate to 4' +/- |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Sep 15, 11:27*am, Jud McCranie
wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT), Pat wrote: Any reason you can't call the previous owners? He lives in another state. I know where comes out of the house, but I don't know where the end of it is. -- Replace you know what by j to email If you know where he lives, call him. That's the quickest and simplest answer. He'll get you to within a few feet, at least, and be able to tell you what's on the other end. |
finding a buried A/C cable
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote: -snip- I'd like to know what detector costs $20.00, what brand is it? This one works for me- Neiko- "Digital 3-in-1 Metal, Voltage and Stud Detector - Auto-Calibrating" http://www.jackstoolshed.zoovy.com/p...&utm_campaign= I paid $20 +shipping - they are $7 now. I got one for hobby metal detecting- and it worked so well I bought a couple more as backups. Jim Not doubting you at all but does it work through 18" of dirt. If so, I may have to try one out. I know how technology changes, improves and drops in price over the years so I'll have to get one to play with. [8~{} Uncle Monster |
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"Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. Where do I collect? I have used this countless times to locate pipes. Steve |
finding a buried A/C cable
"John Grabowski" wrote in message ... "Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. My father swears by that method, but I've never had much success. I've met others who claim it is valid. But how can this be so? There are people who say it is just not so. And then, there are people who know what they saw. It is so puzzling. Not really. I can do it. Some say that some have the gift, and some do not. I personally think it is how one holds their hands. I will experiment how to make a movie with my camera, tape doing it, and make that tape available to anyone who will e mail me. Or even put it on U tube. Or is it You tube. Whatever. Steve |
finding a buried A/C cable
Nothing to prove. It's real, and it works. Google is your friend
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ng&btnG=Search s "Jud McCranie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:42:57 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: It works. If you can prove that you can make a million dollars. -- Replace you know what by j to email |
finding a buried A/C cable
Steve Barker DLT wrote:
Nothing to prove. It's real, and it works. Google is your friend http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ng&btnG=Search .... Now _there's_ a reliable source... :) Google also returns amongst many others the following... How Does Fact Confront Myth When it Comes to Water? Boucher, Kurtis W., School of Geology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK, 74078 Abstract: This paper offers an insight to whether or not dowsing is fact or myth by evaluating thoughts of skeptics and the experiments that have been done on this belief. ... Since ancient times, dowsers have claimed they can find water by using their senses – and a few special tools, such as rods or pendulums. They believe that objects, including water, possess a natural magnetic, electromagnetic or other unknown “energy” they can detect with their senses. ... This ancient divining technique has many adherents, but it has never been scientifically proven. ... -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:09:50 -0400, Jud McCranie
wrote: Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? Metal dectectors work well. |
finding a buried A/C cable
Jud McCranie wrote:
Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? You'll need a good metal detector and an experienced operator. The machine will be in pinpoint or 'all-metal' mode. 1 ft. is pretty deep though. If that doesn't find it, you'll need a 2-box metal detector, again with an experienced operator. I'd suggest contacting the local club... |
finding a buried A/C cable
I'm not sure which source you were being sarcastic about. But the USGS
recognizes it as a viable method. s "dpb" wrote in message ... Steve Barker DLT wrote: Nothing to prove. It's real, and it works. Google is your friend http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ng&btnG=Search ... Now _there's_ a reliable source... :) Google also returns amongst many others the following... How Does Fact Confront Myth When it Comes to Water? Boucher, Kurtis W., School of Geology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK, 74078 Abstract: This paper offers an insight to whether or not dowsing is fact or myth by evaluating thoughts of skeptics and the experiments that have been done on this belief. ... Since ancient times, dowsers have claimed they can find water by using their senses – and a few special tools, such as rods or pendulums. They believe that objects, including water, possess a natural magnetic, electromagnetic or other unknown “energy” they can detect with their senses. ... This ancient divining technique has many adherents, but it has never been scientifically proven. ... -- |
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Steve Barker DLT wrote:
I'm not sure which source you were being sarcastic about. But the USGS recognizes it as a viable method. I'd like to see that reference and the research done to validate the conclusion... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. -- |
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SteveB wrote:
.... Much ado about nothing. If the line is shallow, any metal detector will probably find it depending on the operator. If deep, will be harder. Dowse it, and be done in two minutes. .... You do contract service work? I'd pay travel+fee if you can find several lines of various types on the place here just to see it. You bat 100% you win... -- |
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dpb wrote:
Steve Barker DLT wrote: I'm not sure which source you were being sarcastic about. But the USGS recognizes it as a viable method. I'd like to see that reference and the research done to validate the conclusion... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. -- Amen. I recently participated in the Ph.D. thesis defense of a student at a well regarded technical school located on the Charles River. I declined to sign, and a few other faculty followed my lead. Reason: there were no cited references anywhere in the several hundred page document that predated the internet even though the fundamental work that formed the basis for his research was published well before the internet. The student will now spend some time in the library and we'll try it again next semester. |
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Boden wrote:
dpb wrote: .... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. .... Amen. I recently participated in the Ph.D. thesis defense of a student .... there were no cited references anywhere in the several hundred page document that predated the internet even though the fundamental work that formed the basis for his research was published well before the internet. .... That would seem should've never gotten to the point of his defense by being observed by his major professor... -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
"Shanghai McCoy" wrote in message ... Jud McCranie wrote: Our house has a buried cable that was laid by the previous owner for a potential lamp in the yard. It is hooked to a switch in the house, but there is nothing on the other end. Is there a way for an electrician to find it without digging? You'll need a good metal detector and an experienced operator. The machine will be in pinpoint or 'all-metal' mode. 1 ft. is pretty deep though. If that doesn't find it, you'll need a 2-box metal detector, again with an experienced operator. I'd suggest contacting the local club... Much ado about nothing. If the line is shallow, any metal detector will probably find it depending on the operator. If deep, will be harder. Dowse it, and be done in two minutes. Steve, who has owned metal detectors since 1980 |
finding a buried A/C cable
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/dowsing.html
"dpb" wrote in message ... Steve Barker DLT wrote: I'm not sure which source you were being sarcastic about. But the USGS recognizes it as a viable method. I'd like to see that reference and the research done to validate the conclusion... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. -- |
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dpb wrote:
Boden wrote: dpb wrote: ... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. ... Amen. I recently participated in the Ph.D. thesis defense of a student ... there were no cited references anywhere in the several hundred page document that predated the internet even though the fundamental work that formed the basis for his research was published well before the internet. ... That would seem should've never gotten to the point of his defense by being observed by his major professor... -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
dpb wrote:
Boden wrote: dpb wrote: ... Specifically, I was lambasting the internet in general and google in particular as an infallible scientific resource. ... Amen. I recently participated in the Ph.D. thesis defense of a student ... there were no cited references anywhere in the several hundred page document that predated the internet even though the fundamental work that formed the basis for his research was published well before the internet. ... That would seem should've never gotten to the point of his defense by being observed by his major professor... -- Agreed, but things seem a bit looser now than in the "old days." |
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Boden wrote:
.... Agreed, but things seem a bit looser now than in the "old days." Omygosh, yes. "Due quota" now is almost non-existent it seems and the level of minutiae one used to have to follow w/ the mats and all now is automagically taken care of by software templates in the word processor of choice...there's something to be said for that, but there's something missing in not having to go thru the process, too, imo. UVA doesn't even require the mandatory hours in attendance in the grad student office any longer I hear. What _IS_ this world coming to??? :) -- |
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Steve Barker DLT wrote:
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/dowsing.html .... What do you think this says? It certainly doesn't make any claim there's anything to dowsing other than "the natural explanation of "successful" water dowsing is that in many areas water would be hard to miss." That's damning w/ faint praise in the highest possible favoring light. The introduction to the full pdf version has the disclaimer "this leaflet was prepared to answer some of the most frequently asked questions about the subject of water dowsing and is not intended to make editorial comment on dowsing." IOW, it's a politically correct equivalent of a wiki article, not anything at all researched and peer reviewed. -- |
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Ok,
s "dpb" wrote in message ... -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
SteveB wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: ... Much ado about nothing. If the line is shallow, any metal detector will probably find it depending on the operator. If deep, will be harder. Dowse it, and be done in two minutes. ... You do contract service work? I'd pay travel+fee if you can find several lines of various types on the place here just to see it. You bat 100% you win... If you can't figure out how to bend two pieces of baling wire and do it yourself, I doubt you could fill out the check. Bending the wahr ain't the problem...I've never seen a response to anything from them... I'd pay to see if a claimant could actually find a non-trivial object. The challenge is path of gas line from the main pipeline drop across the farm yard. Path of certain wiring in the feedlots and particularly locating break in at least one.(*) If those were solved, could come up w/ several others as well... (*) Did locate initial break to within a foot or so w/ a buddy and his cable locater. Took a couple hours and we weren't that certain even then but got (sorta') lucky that his guess of highest intensity was in about the right location. The sucker is buried nearly waist deep. It has since that repair failed again and I've borrowed the detector and can't tell a thing--my hearing isn't what it once was. The couple of folks who claim they can do this your way couldn't even tell where the wire was, what more find the break. -- -- |
finding a buried A/C cable
"dpb" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: ... Much ado about nothing. If the line is shallow, any metal detector will probably find it depending on the operator. If deep, will be harder. Dowse it, and be done in two minutes. ... You do contract service work? I'd pay travel+fee if you can find several lines of various types on the place here just to see it. You bat 100% you win... If you can't figure out how to bend two pieces of baling wire and do it yourself, I doubt you could fill out the check. Steve |
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