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To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with
electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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On Jun 19, 9:00*am, (---MIKE---) wrote:
To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. *I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). *Would this be efficient? * * * * * * * * * ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire * (44° 15' *N - Elevation 1580') Sure, go for it. You'll go right to sleep, and all your heating bill woes will be solved. Forever. |
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"---MIKE---" wrote in message ... To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? Are you planning to run the 4" air vent from your dryer into the house to supplement your oil heat? This topic has been discussed in this group already so you might want to do a search to get info. I think that it is a general consensus that electric heat is not as efficient as direct fuel burning and consequently more expensive. This topic has also been discussed here. Probably your best bet is to cut your losses. Get low loss windows. Insulate the hell out of your house. Seal every nook and cranny. |
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On Jun 19, 8:00*am, (---MIKE---) wrote:
To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. *I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). *Would this be efficient? * * * * * * * * * ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire * (44° 15' *N - Elevation 1580') No it wont be efficent you will waste alot of money running the drum, it will be messy depositing dust, it will wear out the dryer fast. Just get space heaters. |
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On Jun 19, 9:00*am, (---MIKE---) wrote:
To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. *I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). *Would this be efficient? * * * * * * * * * ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire * (44° 15' *N - Elevation 1580') I think what you want is one of these http://www.amazon.com/Dundas-Jafine-...884374&sr=1-11 I wouldn't use it though because of all of the humidty coming out of the dryer. |
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ransley wrote:
On Jun 19, 8:00 am, (---MIKE---) wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') No it wont be efficent you will waste alot of money running the drum, it will be messy depositing dust, it will wear out the dryer fast. Just get space heaters. Hi, And dealing with the timer. |
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"Limp Arbor" wrote in message ... On Jun 19, 9:00 am, (---MIKE---) wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') I think what you want is one of these http://www.amazon.com/Dundas-Jafine-...884374&sr=1-11 I wouldn't use it though because of all of the humidty coming out of the dryer. Mike buy a union suit and 55 gallon drum of Ben Gay (the one that gets hot for your body) apply liberally weekly, don the suit, cut it off in the spring bonus.. people won't be hanging around you so you can have the heat set very low |
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---MIKE--- wrote:
To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') I use a sweatshirt or flannel to supplement my furnace. Greg M |
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On Jun 19, 11:56�am, Greg M wrote:
---MIKE--- wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. �I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). �Would this be efficient? � � � � � � � � � ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire � (44� 15' �N - Elevation 1580') I use a sweatshirt or flannel to supplement my furnace. Greg M the humidity is a good thing, in the winter moist air makes you feel warmer at a lower temperature |
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On Jun 19, 3:53Â*pm, " wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:56�am, Greg M wrote: ---MIKE--- wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. �I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). �Would this be efficient? � � � � � � � � � ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire � (44� 15' �N - Elevation 1580') I use a sweatshirt or flannel to supplement my furnace. Greg M the humidity is a good thing, in the winter moist air makes you feel warmer at a lower temperature Seems to be a lot of misreading of information here!!!!! 1) If vented into the house instead of outside, an 'electric' clothes dryer not full of damp/wet clothes will not put humidity into the house. With no damp clothes there is no humidity. 2) In fact a device was/is sold that allows one to divert warm/hot air from the outlet duct (when not drying clothes) into the room where the dryer is located. 3) There was/is also a heat/exchanger device incorporating a separate fan that while it did not divert the damp warm air from the dryer going outside claimed to recover some of that heat and blow it into the house. 3) The cost of oil (or gas) heating versus electric is a function of how much each fuel costs and the efficiency, under your weather conditions of the heating devices. In this part of Canada, for example, where most of the electrcity is generated by existing hydro power, electric heating is definitely proving much cheaper than say oil. We do not have gas (except bottled/ delivered propane which is very expensive). 4) BTW There are two rooms in our house that are mainly heated by by the other electrical equipment in therm. a) One is the approx 100 sq foot bedroom that contains two computers and some other miscellaneous gear. Several hundred watts from those. b) A row of six conventional bulbs in our smallish bathroom that keep it more than warm so that the provided 500 watt baseboard rarely cuts in. 5) One sort of doubts the benefit of chucking warm dry dryer air into the house without ducting it where it would best suit? Have not done a 'recent' study of the comparative costs (here) of oil versus electric heat. But with heating oil somewhere around one dollar per litre (that's $3.25 to $4.00 per US gallon, versus about 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour it is presently 'no contest' or a win for electric. Also individual room thermostats enable one to turn off rooms that get little use. We are hearing horrifying stories of older persons spending over $300 per month for oil and then have an electric bill as well. And this is a LONG winter here. And then there is my basement workshop wood stove only lit when am working down there! The stove also reduces the amount of garbage/trash put out to maybe one bag every three/four weeks! |
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:24:26 -0700 (PDT), terry
wrote: Seems to be a lot of misreading of information here!!!!! 1) If vented into the house instead of outside, an 'electric' clothes dryer not full of damp/wet clothes will not put humidity into the house. With no damp clothes there is no humidity. 2) In fact a device was/is sold that allows one to divert warm/hot air from the outlet duct (when not drying clothes) into the room where the dryer is located. 3) There was/is also a heat/exchanger device incorporating a separate fan that while it did not divert the damp warm air from the dryer going outside claimed to recover some of that heat and blow it into the house. 3) The cost of oil (or gas) heating versus electric is a function of how much each fuel costs and the efficiency, under your weather conditions of the heating devices. In this part of Canada, for example, where most of the electrcity is generated by existing hydro power, electric heating is definitely proving much cheaper than say oil. We do not have gas (except bottled/ delivered propane which is very expensive). 4) BTW There are two rooms in our house that are mainly heated by by the other electrical equipment in therm. a) One is the approx 100 sq foot bedroom that contains two computers and some other miscellaneous gear. Several hundred watts from those. b) A row of six conventional bulbs in our smallish bathroom that keep it more than warm so that the provided 500 watt baseboard rarely cuts in. 5) One sort of doubts the benefit of chucking warm dry dryer air into the house without ducting it where it would best suit? Have not done a 'recent' study of the comparative costs (here) of oil versus electric heat. But with heating oil somewhere around one dollar per litre (that's $3.25 to $4.00 per US gallon, versus about 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour it is presently 'no contest' or a win for electric. Also individual room thermostats enable one to turn off rooms that get little use. We are hearing horrifying stories of older persons spending over $300 per month for oil and then have an electric bill as well. And this is a LONG winter here. And then there is my basement workshop wood stove only lit when am working down there! The stove also reduces the amount of garbage/trash put out to maybe one bag every three/four weeks! Hi Terry, The following table might help folks calculate the potential savings of electric heat versus oil. The left column is the operating efficiency of the oil-fired boiler (AFUE rating) and the second column is the number of kWh of heat obtained from each gallon based on this rating (net). The columns to the right are the breakeven points based on the cost of a gallon of fuel oil. For example, if a homeowner has a new high-efficiency boiler (85% AFUE) and pays $4.50 a gallon, electric heat is more economical when electricity rates are 13 cents per kWh or less. In the case of an older, less efficient boiler (65% AFUE) and at $4.75 per gallon, electricity is less costly at up to 17.9 cents per kWh. AFUE kWh $4.00 $4.25 $4.50 $4.75 $5.00 85% 34.6 0.1155 0.1227 0.1300 0.1372 0.1444 80% 32.6 0.1227 0.1304 0.1381 0.1457 0.1534 75% 30.6 0.1309 0.1391 0.1473 0.1555 0.1636 70% 28.5 0.1403 0.1490 0.1578 0.1666 0.1753 65% 26.5 0.1511 0.1605 0.1699 0.1794 0.1888 Additional savings by way of zone or spot heating would further enhance electricity's competitiveness vis-a-vis oil. Cheers, Paul |
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"Phisherman" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:00:39 -0400, (---MIKE---) wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Electric heat is usually expensive. I have seen electric dryers vent to the inside, although expect more dust in the house. I tried that. Dust wasn't a problem old pantyhose caught all the lint, but humidity/condensation was. Perhaps if I had a larger room to vent it into it would have worked. I suspect the OP is trolling. No one would be dumb enough to use their dryer for heating. |
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How much monoxide does an electric dryer put out? Would it really kill him
in his sleep? I'm so terrified, I'm going to put all my electric appliances outdoors. Save me! -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Conway" wrote in message ... On Jun 19, 9:00 am, (---MIKE---) wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE---In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Sure, go for it. You'll go right to sleep, and all your heating bill woes will be solved. Forever. |
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You'd ought to call your utility company, and ask the price per therm for
electric versus whatever dead dino remains you presently burn. I suspect the dino juice is cheaper. But, please do make the call. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "---MIKE---" wrote in message ... To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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The OP said he'd run the dryer at night, empty. In any case, during the
winter, some humidity really is good. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Limp Arbor" wrote in message ... I think what you want is one of these http://www.amazon.com/Dundas-Jafine-...884374&sr=1-11 I wouldn't use it though because of all of the humidty coming out of the dryer. |
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I used a toaster once. Friend of mine had run out of propane. I brought over
space heater, and also pushed the toaster every time I walked by it. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "jack" wrote in message .. . I suspect the OP is trolling. No one would be dumb enough to use their dryer for heating. |
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"---MIKE---" wrote in message ... To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') I did a comparison with fuel cost here in CT. Electric at 17¢ is still higher in price until oil exceeds $5.30 a gallon. Plug in the numbers here http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm |
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In article ,
"John Grabowski" wrote: I think that it is a general consensus that electric heat is not as efficient as direct fuel burning and consequently more expensive. I think you are mistaken. Electric resistance heat is virtually 100% efficient. No combustion fuel comes close. You'll notice I did not address CO$T. Given highly efficient equipment, natural gas fuel is less expensive. The same can probably be said about LP gas. your best bet is to cut your losses. Get low loss windows. Insulate the hell out of your house. Seal every nook and cranny. Good advise. Directing a clothes dryer outlet into living space is a BAD idea for many reasons, electric included. -- JR |
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On Jun 19, 3:26*pm, Paul M. Eldridge
wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:24:26 -0700 (PDT), terry wrote: Seems to be a lot of misreading of information here!!!!! 1) If vented into the house instead of outside, an 'electric' clothes dryer not full of damp/wet clothes will not put humidity into the house. With no damp clothes there is no humidity. 2) In fact a device was/is sold that allows one to divert warm/hot air from the outlet duct (when not drying clothes) into the room where the dryer is located. 3) There was/is also a heat/exchanger device incorporating a separate fan that while it did not divert the damp warm air from the dryer going outside claimed to recover some of that heat and blow it into the house. 3) The cost of oil (or gas) heating versus electric is a function of how much each fuel costs and the efficiency, under your weather conditions of the heating devices. In this part of Canada, for example, where most of the electrcity is generated by existing hydro power, electric heating is definitely proving much cheaper than say oil. We do not have gas (except bottled/ delivered propane which is very expensive). 4) BTW There are two rooms in our house that are mainly heated by by the other electrical equipment in therm. a) One is the approx 100 sq foot bedroom that contains two computers and some other miscellaneous gear. Several hundred watts from those. b) A row of six conventional bulbs in our smallish bathroom that keep it more than warm so that the provided 500 watt baseboard rarely cuts in. 5) One sort of doubts the benefit of chucking warm dry dryer air into the house without ducting it where it would best suit? Have not done a 'recent' study of the comparative costs (here) of oil versus electric heat. But with heating oil somewhere around one dollar per litre (that's $3.25 to $4.00 per US gallon, versus about 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour it is presently 'no contest' or a win for electric. Also individual room thermostats enable one to turn off rooms that get little use. We are hearing horrifying stories of older persons spending over $300 per month for oil and then have an electric bill as well. And this is a LONG winter here. And then there is my basement workshop wood stove only lit when am working down there! The stove also reduces the amount of garbage/trash put out to maybe one bag every three/four weeks! Hi Terry, The following table might help folks calculate the potential savings of electric heat versus oil. *The left column is the operating efficiency of the oil-fired boiler (AFUE rating) and the second column is the number of kWh of heat obtained from each gallon based on this rating (net). *The columns to the right are the breakeven points based on the cost of a gallon of fuel oil. For example, if a homeowner has a new high-efficiency boiler (85% AFUE) and pays $4.50 a gallon, electric heat is more economical when electricity rates are 13 cents per kWh or less. *In the case of an older, less efficient boiler (65% AFUE) and at $4.75 per gallon, electricity is less costly at up to 17.9 cents per kWh. AFUE * *kWh * * *$4.00 * $4.25 * $4.50 * $4.75 * $5.00 * 85% * *34.6 * 0.1155 *0.1227 *0.1300 *0.1372 *0.1444 * 80% * *32.6 * 0.1227 *0.1304 *0.1381 *0.1457 *0.1534 * 75% * *30.6 * 0.1309 *0.1391 *0.1473 *0.1555 *0.1636 * 70% * *28.5 * 0.1403 *0.1490 *0.1578 *0.1666 *0.1753 * 65% * *26.5 * 0.1511 *0.1605 *0.1699 *0.1794 *0.1888 Additional savings by way of zone or spot heating would further enhance electricity's competitiveness vis-a-vis oil. Cheers, Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - An oil unit boiler has a pump, a furnace a blower, neither of which are part of AFUE, pumps might take 120-150 w, a blower easily 375w, so the cost of competing electric heat is a bit lower. |
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:39:36 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote: On Jun 19, 3:26*pm, Paul M. Eldridge wrote: Hi Terry, The following table might help folks calculate the potential savings of electric heat versus oil. *The left column is the operating efficiency of the oil-fired boiler (AFUE rating) and the second column is the number of kWh of heat obtained from each gallon based on this rating (net). *The columns to the right are the breakeven points based on the cost of a gallon of fuel oil. For example, if a homeowner has a new high-efficiency boiler (85% AFUE) and pays $4.50 a gallon, electric heat is more economical when electricity rates are 13 cents per kWh or less. *In the case of an older, less efficient boiler (65% AFUE) and at $4.75 per gallon, electricity is less costly at up to 17.9 cents per kWh. AFUE * *kWh * * *$4.00 * $4.25 * $4.50 * $4.75 * $5.00 * 85% * *34.6 * 0.1155 *0.1227 *0.1300 *0.1372 *0.1444 * 80% * *32.6 * 0.1227 *0.1304 *0.1381 *0.1457 *0.1534 * 75% * *30.6 * 0.1309 *0.1391 *0.1473 *0.1555 *0.1636 * 70% * *28.5 * 0.1403 *0.1490 *0.1578 *0.1666 *0.1753 * 65% * *26.5 * 0.1511 *0.1605 *0.1699 *0.1794 *0.1888 Additional savings by way of zone or spot heating would further enhance electricity's competitiveness vis-a-vis oil. Cheers, Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - An oil unit boiler has a pump, a furnace a blower, neither of which are part of AFUE, pumps might take 120-150 w, a blower easily 375w, so the cost of competing electric heat is a bit lower. Hi Mark, The electricity consumed by these auxiliary devices wouldn't make electric heat any more (or less) competitive, provided the boiler or furnace is located within the home's thermal envelope. Put another way, the electricity used to operate the oil burner and circulator pump/furnace fan is no cheaper nor more expensive than the electricity consumed by a portable space heater. The key thing to remember is that the electricity consumed by these secondary devices offsets a portion of the home's oil demand, so if the electricity used to operate the boiler is $20.00 a year, say, you need to subtract the value of the oil that this electricity in turn displaces, and that will be determined by the cost of the fuel oil and the boiler's AFUE. Cheers, Paul |
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On Jun 19, 8:00 am, (---MIKE---) wrote:
To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? Kinda surprised about some of the responses here. For an electric dryer, there is NO carbon monoxide. None at all. Zero. There is no health risk I can envision by doing this. The issue about expense of electric versus oil/gas depends on whether you are venting the air from a load of drying clothes into the house (in which case you get the heat for free -- you'd otherwise just be venting your heat outside). Of course, then you get the humidity as well, which may or may not be what you want. That would keep your skin from drying out in the winter, but would leaves puddle under your cool windows. I could see venting the dryer into the house during the last stages of the dry cycle, when most of the water is gone. But I would not run this through your HVAC system. Last thing you need is condensation in the ductwork. Just using a clothes dryer as a standalone heater blower seems expensive. In most places, per BTU produced, electricity is more expensive than oil/gas, as most people are pointing out. I mean, just turn on all the lights in your house. It'll do the same thing as your electric dryer, but warm all your rooms uniformly, instead of just the area around your dryer. |
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You have to run the numbers with often electric resistance heating isn't out
of the question compared to NG or oil. You have to run your own numbers. The NG & oil have to be vented (with the exception of "ventless" NG or LPG heaters). From 5% to 25% of your fuel goes up the stack and the air that goes up is replaced by cold outside air. Small electric heaters are quite cheap ($20-$30 or so). You can place them EXACTLY where you want the heat and seat the house thermostat to something like 60 ot 65F. Venting the dryer inside during the winter might be OK if the excess humidity doesn't cause a problem. You might want to add an extra lint filter. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"Doug Lassiter" wrote in message ... On Jun 19, 8:00 am, (---MIKE---) wrote: To offset the price of oil, I plan to supplement my furnace with electric heat next winter. I am thinking of running the outlet from my dryer into the house (when not drying clothes). Would this be efficient? Kinda surprised about some of the responses here. For an electric dryer, there is NO carbon monoxide. None at all. Zero. There is no health risk I can envision by doing this. The issue about expense of electric versus oil/gas depends on whether you are venting the air from a load of drying clothes into the house (in which case you get the heat for free -- you'd otherwise just be venting your heat outside). Of course, then you get the humidity as well, which may or may not be what you want. That would keep your skin from drying out in the winter, but would leaves puddle under your cool windows. I could see venting the dryer into the house during the last stages of the dry cycle, when most of the water is gone. I'm surprised at some of the answers too. He said he it going to run it when there are no clothes in the dryer, just using it as a heater. Won't be any humidity from it that way. |
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I'm surprised at some of the answers too. He said he it going to run it when there are no clothes in the dryer, just using it as a heater. Won't be any humidity from it that way. Yes, that was exactly my point. It is clear that one could save heating money by venting the dryer into the house while drying your clothes (which had not been noted). It is not clear (and, actually, pretty unlikely) that you would if just using it as a standalone heater without it drying clothes. Part of my point was that, to some degree, humid air could be advantageous. |
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Doug Lassiter wrote:
I'm surprised at some of the answers too. He said he it going to run it when there are no clothes in the dryer, just using it as a heater. Won't be any humidity from it that way. Yes, that was exactly my point. It is clear that one could save heating money by venting the dryer into the house while drying your clothes (which had not been noted). ... Actually, I think somebody had made the point... I've seen ads for venting filters to do precisely that offered on late night TV. I think one would require almost a HEPA filter to collect the finest of lint that would collect over time if did it often. Agree totally that an electric clothes dryer is a sorry for a space heater--for one minor thing, they're usually not installed where one really wants/needs the output heat. -- |
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