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Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html Thanks Joe. Being paranoid, and since the source is not the CPSC, I looked at the CPSC site and found the following recalls of apparently the same counterfeit SquareD breakers: 5-2008 Specialty Lamp International of Deerfield Beach, Fla. (as above) 371,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08286.html 12-2007 North American Breaker Co. Inc. (NABCO), of Burbank, Calif. 50,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08151.html 10-2007 Connecticut Electric & Switch Mfg. Co. (Connecticut Electric), of Puyallup, Wash 64,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08054.html 11-2006 Scott Electric Co. Inc., of Greensburg, Pa 30,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07036.html Crossposted to alt.home.repair -- bud-- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
"bud--" wrote in message .. . RFI-EMI-GUY wrote: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html Thanks Joe. Being paranoid, and since the source is not the CPSC, I looked at the CPSC site and found the following recalls of apparently the same counterfeit SquareD breakers: 5-2008 Specialty Lamp International of Deerfield Beach, Fla. (as above) 371,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08286.html 12-2007 North American Breaker Co. Inc. (NABCO), of Burbank, Calif. 50,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08151.html 10-2007 Connecticut Electric & Switch Mfg. Co. (Connecticut Electric), of Puyallup, Wash 64,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08054.html 11-2006 Scott Electric Co. Inc., of Greensburg, Pa 30,000 breakers http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07036.html Crossposted to alt.home.repair -- bud-- Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
RBM wrote:
.... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
"dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
RBM wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no instances of failing to trip? I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
"dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no instances of failing to trip? I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
RBM wrote:
.... OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip I hadn't "heard" anything but that's the first sentence of the link in the earlier posting... -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
"dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip I hadn't "heard" anything but that's the first sentence of the link in the earlier posting... Sure, now you're telling me I should read the links!!! I saw this yesterday, and as so much crap comes across my screen, I didn't pay too much attention to it -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
RBM wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip I hadn't "heard" anything but that's the first sentence of the link in the earlier posting... Sure, now you're telling me I should read the links!!! I saw this yesterday, and as so much crap comes across my screen, I didn't pay too much attention to it Well, if you're going to pay enough attention to ask questions... -- |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
On May 29, 5:37�pm, dpb wrote:
RBM wrote: "dpb" wrote in ... RBM wrote: ... OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip I hadn't "heard" anything but that's the first sentence of the link in the earlier posting... Sure, now you're telling me I should read the links!!! � I saw this yesterday, and as so much crap comes across my screen, I didn't pay too much attention to it Well, if you're going to pay enough attention to ask questions... -- years ago I repaired machines at a westinghose electric swith gear plant in beaver pa, very nice people. one day i walked by as a explosion rocked the building, they were testing a knock off breaker at rated load, and it exploded...... it was a big issue whoever made them marked them westinghouse, although they werent the same quality.......... westinghose was being sued for a breaker they didnt manufacturer... knockoffs arent a good thing |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
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"RBM" writes: "dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no instances of failing to trip? I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
On 5/30/2008 6:49 AM Andrew Gabriel spake thus:
In article , "RBM" writes: "dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... RBM wrote: ... Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are not made to the same specs as any other QO? No non-counterfeit recalls are there? --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no instances of failing to trip? I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch. So, a perverse thought crosses one's mind: would replacing one's breakers with toggle switches be the equivalent of putting pennies in fuse sockets in the olden days? -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Attributed to Winston Churchill |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
In alt.engineering.electrical Andrew Gabriel wrote:
| In article , | "RBM" writes: | | "dpb" wrote in message ... | RBM wrote: | "dpb" wrote in message ... | RBM wrote: | ... | Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers | are not made to the same specs as any other QO? | No non-counterfeit recalls are there? | | --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, | so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same | | Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no | instances of failing to trip? | | I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the | baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. | | And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's | not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. | | OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits | that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip | | There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found | in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture | in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent | parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch. How many people ever test the overcurrent aspect, anyway? I'm guessing one of these must have failed somewhere somehow to have gotten noticed. -- |WARNING: Due to extreme spam, googlegroups.com is blocked. Due to ignorance | | by the abuse department, bellsouth.net is blocked. If you post to | | Usenet from these places, find another Usenet provider ASAP. | | Phil Howard KA9WGN (email for humans: first name in lower case at ipal.net) | |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
In alt.engineering.electrical David Nebenzahl wrote:
| On 5/30/2008 6:49 AM Andrew Gabriel spake thus: | | In article , | "RBM" writes: | | "dpb" wrote in message ... | | RBM wrote: | | "dpb" wrote in message ... | | RBM wrote: | ... | Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers | are not made to the same specs as any other QO? | No non-counterfeit recalls are there? | | --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers, | so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same | | Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no | instances of failing to trip? | | I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the | baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell. | | And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's | not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec. | | OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits | that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip | | There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found | in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture | in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent | parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch. | | So, a perverse thought crosses one's mind: would replacing one's | breakers with toggle switches be the equivalent of putting pennies in | fuse sockets in the olden days? Yes. BTW, they do make them ... switches that replace circuit breakers. If you need a lot of switches in a circumstance where you don't need the individual overcurrent protection, and need it in a more compact space than could be had with a bunch of 2x4 boxes, then this might be the thing. Imagine if you have a need to individually switch on and off 80 different 7 watt lights. Would you put in 10 sets of 4-gang boxes with duplex switches in each, or put in an 84-slot panel and 80 switches? The latter might cost more due to the big box. The latter might not fit so well. I don't recall if the breakers are cheaper than switches, but perhaps the economy of scale of production for breakers could do that. -- |WARNING: Due to extreme spam, googlegroups.com is blocked. Due to ignorance | | by the abuse department, bellsouth.net is blocked. If you post to | | Usenet from these places, find another Usenet provider ASAP. | | Phil Howard KA9WGN (email for humans: first name in lower case at ipal.net) | |
Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
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Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
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Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)
Yes. BTW, they do make them ... switches that replace circuit breakers. If you need a lot of switches in a circumstance where you don't need the individual overcurrent protection, and need it in a more compact space than could be had with a bunch of 2x4 boxes, then this might be the thing. Imagine if you have a need to individually switch on and off 80 different 7 watt lights. Would you put in 10 sets of 4-gang boxes with duplex switches in each, or put in an 84-slot panel and 80 switches? The latter might cost more due to the big box. The latter might not fit so well. I don't recall if the breakers are cheaper than switches, but perhaps the economy of scale of production for breakers could do that. My heat pump has a switch in circuit breaker format in the disconnect box on the side of the house. A breaker isn't necessary out there, as the branch is protected in the main panel and nothing else is on it. |
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