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connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper
wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
wrote in message ... Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! I believe the French word for wire nut is merat. You twist the stranded wires around the solid wire in a clockwise rotation then twist the wire nut on. Be sure you are using the correct size nut for the connection |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
"RBM" wrote in :
wrote in message . .. Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! I believe the French word for wire nut is merat. You twist the stranded wires around the solid wire in a clockwise rotation then twist the wire nut on. Be sure you are using the correct size nut for the connection Marrette® is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:06:21 +0000, HaLiGoOn wrote:
"RBM" wrote in : wrote in message . .. Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! I believe the French word for wire nut is merat. You twist the stranded wires around the solid wire in a clockwise rotation then twist the wire nut on. Be sure you are using the correct size nut for the connection Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
franz fripplfrappl wrote in news:pJxxj.59326$Pv2.28649
@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net: On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:06:21 +0000, HaLiGoOn wrote: "RBM" wrote in news:47c6a109$0$15195 : wrote in message news:175c3cca-f7ae-4993-b394-733aef4a7122 @x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com. .. Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! I believe the French word for wire nut is merat. You twist the stranded wires around the solid wire in a clockwise rotation then twist the wire nut on. Be sure you are using the correct size nut for the connection Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
wrote in message ... Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. The best way is to twist the wires together with a pair of pliers so that they make a tight connection before you screw on the wire connector. For multiple wires twist each wire one at a time. It is also important to have the correct size wire connector. Trim back the tip of the splice with wire cutters if it is too long. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:57 GMT, HaLiGoOn
wrote: franz fripplfrappl wrote in news:pJxxj.59326$Pv2.28649 : On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:06:21 +0000, HaLiGoOn wrote: "RBM" wrote in news:47c6a109$0$15195 : wrote in message news:175c3cca-f7ae-4993-b394-733aef4a7122 . .. Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! I believe the French word for wire nut is merat. You twist the stranded wires around the solid wire in a clockwise rotation then twist the wire nut on. Be sure you are using the correct size nut for the connection Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? You don't remember his brothers Brazil and Pea? |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
HaLiGoOn wrote:
wrote in news:175c3cca-f7ae-4993-b394- : Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! They are generically called "wire nuts". Not round here they're not. They're called "marrets". a |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
HaLiGoOn wrote:
wrote in news:175c3cca-f7ae-4993-b394- : Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! They are generically called "wire nuts". Not round here they're not. They're called "marrettes". a |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:57 GMT, HaLiGoOn
wrote: [snip] Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? Where'd you come up with THAT? Anyway, it's still funny. Interestingly, there have been a few things in the local paper about people getting electrocuted when trying to steal copper wire. Could those be the "wire nuts"? :-) |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
Harry wrote in
: On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:57 GMT, HaLiGoOn wrote: [snip] Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? Where'd you come up with THAT? Anyway, it's still funny. Interestingly, there have been a few things in the local paper about people getting electrocuted when trying to steal copper wire. Could those be the "wire nuts"? :-) "These are all eponyms" I had to look that word up. "An eponym is a word derived from someone's name." |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
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connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
"Harry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:57 GMT, HaLiGoOn wrote: [snip] Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? Where'd you come up with THAT? Anyway, it's still funny. Interestingly, there have been a few things in the local paper about people getting electrocuted when trying to steal copper wire. Could those be the "wire nuts"? :-) Certainly applies to a guy around here who was found fried on top of a transformer in a distribution transformer station. The power went out, when the service people arrived they found him on top of the transformer, he was trying to steal copper from the live high voltage equipment and electrocuted himself. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:01:04 GMT, HaLiGoOn
wrote: Harry wrote in : On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:57 GMT, HaLiGoOn wrote: [snip] Marrette is a brand name of wire connector. Actually "Wire Nut" is a brand name also, Ideal owns the trade name wire nut... It's like calling a snowmobile a "ski-doo", ski-doo is a brand name. Either way, people will know what your talking about. These are all eponyms. There was a person named "wire nut"? Where'd you come up with THAT? Anyway, it's still funny. Interestingly, there have been a few things in the local paper about people getting electrocuted when trying to steal copper wire. Could those be the "wire nuts"? :-) "These are all eponyms" I had to look that word up. "An eponym is a word derived from someone's name." Headline: EPONYMS STEAL COPPER WIRE :-) |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:08:39 -0800, edbedb wrote:
wrote: Does anyone know the best way to connect a multi-strand wire to copper wire? Yes, someone knows. This is for a recessed light in the ceiling of our top floor hallway. Therefore the housing for the light is going in the attic/roof. The housing itself includes the multi-strand wire, that I have to connect the copper wire to that is fed in from the light switch. Right now, I have used the screw on cone shaped type connectors (I forget what they're called ... merriates????) but the connection does not look that good - the multi-strand wire seems to fray quite easily. Thx!! Wire nuts. Smallest size that will hold a 14 ga solid wire. ighly twist the strands of the stranded. Then using serious linesmens' pliers, twist the stranded and the 14 ga feeder, then wire nut the two. What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message Wire nuts. Smallest size that will hold a 14 ga solid wire. ighly twist the strands of the stranded. Then using serious linesmens' pliers, twist the stranded and the 14 ga feeder, then wire nut the two. What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? -- Mark Lloyd Wire nuts are usually rated for a range of conductors and their size. The ones I use do not require twisting the wires first. just lay them side by side and screw the wire nut on . It is no problem to put 3 or 4 wires in the same wire nut if it is the proper size. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
Mark Lloyd wrote:
What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? is there an intelligent or intelligible question somewhere in Mr. Lloyd's post? |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
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connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:30:32 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message Wire nuts. Smallest size that will hold a 14 ga solid wire. ighly twist the strands of the stranded. Then using serious linesmens' pliers, twist the stranded and the 14 ga feeder, then wire nut the two. What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? -- Mark Lloyd Wire nuts are usually rated for a range of conductors and their size. The ones I use do not require twisting the wires first. just lay them side by side and screw the wire nut on . It is no problem to put 3 or 4 wires in the same wire nut if it is the proper size. Too simple for you? I was asking about connecting TWO stranded wires to one solid one using a wire nut. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:30:32 -0500, "Ralph Mowery" wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message Wire nuts. Smallest size that will hold a 14 ga solid wire. ighly twist the strands of the stranded. Then using serious linesmens' pliers, twist the stranded and the 14 ga feeder, then wire nut the two. What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? -- Mark Lloyd Wire nuts are usually rated for a range of conductors and their size. The ones I use do not require twisting the wires first. just lay them side by side and screw the wire nut on . It is no problem to put 3 or 4 wires in the same wire nut if it is the proper size. Too simple for you? I was asking about connecting TWO stranded wires to one solid one using a wire nut. Twist each stranded wire over the solid one at a time using pliers. Get the first layer good and tight before twisting on the next one. |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
EXT wrote:
Certainly applies to a guy around here who was found fried on top of a transformer in a distribution transformer station. The power went out, when the service people arrived they found him on top of the transformer, he was trying to steal copper from the live high voltage equipment and electrocuted himself. An obvious candidate for the "Darwin Awards" -- bud-- |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
Mark Lloyd wrote:
What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? .. Doesn't sound like that much problem. I use wire nuts with a 'live spring'. The spring doesn't have plastic right behind it and deforms over the wires making a more secure connection (IMHO). If you take a wire nut off that has been tightened you can see the deformation. (Far as I know these don't exist in a size smaller than yellow.) Use wire combinations the manufacturer indicates are in the capability of the wire nut. As suggested elsewhere I extend stranded wires slightly past solid. IMHO 2 #12 solids and a stranded #18 is a bigger problem - the #18 can sit in the 'valley' between the solids. I twist the solids and keep the smaller wire straight. -- bud-- |
connecting multi-strand to copper wire for lighting
"bud--" wrote in message .. . Mark Lloyd wrote: What if you have a copper feeder, and TWO stranded wires? . Doesn't sound like that much problem. I use wire nuts with a 'live spring'. The spring doesn't have plastic right behind it and deforms over the wires making a more secure connection (IMHO). If you take a wire nut off that has been tightened you can see the deformation. (Far as I know these don't exist in a size smaller than yellow.) Use wire combinations the manufacturer indicates are in the capability of the wire nut. As suggested elsewhere I extend stranded wires slightly past solid. IMHO 2 #12 solids and a stranded #18 is a bigger problem - the #18 can sit in the 'valley' between the solids. I twist the solids and keep the smaller wire straight. -- bud-- A nice tight wire nut connection has always worked for me even with a mixture of solid and stranded wires and I've taken the connections apart several times afterward to make sure there was good contact area. I agree that pre-twisting the solids helps. In earlier days, I just soldered the bundle and put a wire nut over the top for insulation. TKM |
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