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"S. Barker"
"epa compliant woodstove"??? You're kidding right? what's to be compliant about a steel box with a hole in the top? Dunno but he's either the same person or another who thinks there really is such a thing. Perhaps it's a marketing scam some folks buy into? Now safety compliant, yes. How it's vented and such. The only 'EPA' relevance I can think of, have to do with what you burn, not what you burn it in. Dont use treated wood for example due to the chemicals which can be carginogenic when burning. |
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Got down to 38F last night in Houston.
Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. .... :) Mother's family in The Valley around Pharr/McAllen area -- used to go down for Christmas on occasion. Invariably would be in 40s/low 50s and wet/damp. W/ no heat of significance in house would feel colder more miserable than if stayed home in 20F conditions... We're toasty this AM at 19F -- areas around w/ heavier snowfall/ice at the 0-10F mark. No wind today and bright sun, so feels pretty good, actually. -- |
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In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... |
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Smitty Two wrote: Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... It was uphill both ways, too, right? It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. seriously :) One winter I was working in the UP of Michigan and they had a snowmobile race just outside the hotel I was staying at (near the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie) anyway of course we went to watch - it was literally about 2 degrees out, and was fairly tolerable... until I decided I wanted a cup of coffee and started to walk back to the hotel, and realized that there was a decently brisk wind, and it'd been at my back the whole time I was standing there... woo, that's cold! And there were a whole mess of guys out there racing snowmobiles the whole time... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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, Smitty Two wrote: Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... It was uphill both ways, too, right? It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. |
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On Dec 16, 7:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Awww...I feel for you. I just chunked a couple pieces on the fire. Must be up to around 74 in here now as I sit typing in my t-shirt and shorts. Was out restocking the porch from the woodshed yesterday with windchill down around 10. Harry K |
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On Dec 16, 8:02 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , "HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... That was in July, right? BTDT but in my case it was in June and my walk was 2 miles... Harry K |
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On Dec 16, 10:02 am, Nate Nagel wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Smitty Two wrote: Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... It was uphill both ways, too, right? It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. seriously :) One winter I was working in the UP of Michigan and they had a snowmobile race just outside the hotel I was staying at (near the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie) anyway of course we went to watch - it was literally about 2 degrees out, and was fairly tolerable... until I decided I wanted a cup of coffee and started to walk back to the hotel, and realized that there was a decently brisk wind, and it'd been at my back the whole time I was standing there... woo, that's cold! And there were a whole mess of guys out there racing snowmobiles the whole time... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow 38f, you must be suffering, cold is -- 40f, take a pee outside and it freezes before it hits the ground and pops, 38 f is springtime weather. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
... Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. WHAT??? Evacuate? Shelter? http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/...ery=houston+tx Sounds like springtime to me. |
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dpb, my folks are in Harlingen, so I know what you are talking about.
Planning to get down there next weekend. Our neighborhood was built in 1957--we moved there in Jan. 1961. All the houses have gas jets in every room for space heaters, but the original owners of our house had central heat added. Funny, we the only ones with CH for years, and then one of the last to get central air. I put in the system in 1995. We started off with 2, and ended up with 5 window shakers before that. If you go down there for the Holidays, have a good trip. Larry Btw, when we moved there, Harlingen and McAllen were about the same size--not anymore for sure. McAllen is a big city, Harlingen still nothing. |
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On Dec 16, 1:02 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Smitty Two wrote: Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... It was uphill both ways, too, right? It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. seriously :) One winter I was working in the UP of Michigan and they had a snowmobile race just outside the hotel I was staying at (near the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie) anyway of course we went to watch - it was literally about 2 degrees out, and was fairly tolerable... until I decided I wanted a cup of coffee and started to walk back to the hotel, and realized that there was a decently brisk wind, and it'd been at my back the whole time I was standing there... woo, that's cold! And there were a whole mess of guys out there racing snowmobiles the whole time... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You don't no cold. I worked a stint in Labrador City in 2006. Dipped down to -40c (in the -50's f). Forget plugging in your truck at night - we kept it running 24/7. Add a wind chill on that - now thats cold. +2F - wear shorts and a sweat shirt in that weather :) |
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On Dec 16, 9:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. 38F above zero? JK |
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lp13-30 wrote:
dpb, my folks are in Harlingen, so I know what you are talking about. Planning to get down there next weekend. Our neighborhood was built in 1957--we moved there in Jan. 1961. ... That's about the last time I was in the Valley -- after grandparents passed didn't make it much. Their place is outside town a ways still; part of the first citrus folks moved there from E KS during the 30s. Uncle still has the place although they've only put back very small fraction of the orchards since the major freezes of what--15-20 years ago or so, now I guess... -- |
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"Harry K" wrote in message ... On Dec 16, 7:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. delivery is likewise iffy. Awww...I feel for you. I just chunked a couple pieces on the fire. Must be up to around 74 in here now as I sit typing in my t-shirt and shorts. Was out restocking the porch from the woodshed yesterday with windchill down around 10. Harry K You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet. |
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You ARE kidding, right?
s "Madx" wrote in message ... You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet. |
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On Dec 16, 4:39 pm, Red Green wrote:
wrote : On Dec 16, 1:02 pm, Nate Nagel wrote: Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Smitty Two wrote: Wow. 38. Only 78 degrees warmer than the temp I used to walk six blocks to school in when I was in elementary and junior high. I remember one six-week period during which the temp never rose above zero F. Forty below was common, in the days before global warming... It was uphill both ways, too, right? It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. seriously :) One winter I was working in the UP of Michigan and they had a snowmobile race just outside the hotel I was staying at (near the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie) anyway of course we went to watch - it was literally about 2 degrees out, and was fairly tolerable... until I decided I wanted a cup of coffee and started to walk back to the hotel, and realized that there was a decently brisk wind, and it'd been at my back the whole time I was standing there... woo, that's cold! And there were a whole mess of guys out there racing snowmobiles the whole time... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You don't no cold. I worked a stint in Labrador City in 2006. Dipped down to -40c (in the -50's f). Wrong. -40 is the same in C or F. Veify on Google by typing "-40 f to c" in the search bar. If you don't believe Google, solve the two temp conversion formulas simultaneously. Equal at -40. Easier to trust Google on this one :-) Forget plugging in your truck at night - we kept it running 24/7. Add a wind chill on that - now thats cold. +2F - wear shorts and a sweat shirt in that weather :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I stand corrected |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:52:50 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote
Re Damn, it's cold: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. It went down to 34F here in north Alabama. Of course, being in the north we are used to the cold, but still..... When is global warming going to kick in? |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:52:44 -0800, "Madx" wrote
Re Damn, it's cold: You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet. Wood burning is carbon-neutral in any period less than roughly 100 years. |
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Last night here in California we were advised that there was a spare the air
alert and to refrain from wood fires. So if it is not harmful why would it be all over the news NOT to make a fire? "Caesar Romano" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:52:44 -0800, "Madx" wrote Re Damn, it's cold: You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet. Wood burning is carbon-neutral in any period less than roughly 100 years. |
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On Dec 16, 4:52 pm, "Madx" wrote:
"Harry K" wrote in message ... On Dec 16, 7:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. delivery is likewise iffy. Awww...Ifeel for you. I just chunked a couple pieces on the fire. Must be up to around 74 in here now as I sit typing in my t-shirt and shorts. Was out restocking the porch from the woodshed yesterday with windchill down around 10. Harry K You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually well seasoned wood when burned properly in a decent stove emits about the same amount of C02 as the same tree, fallen and left to rot on the forest floor. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Hi, How about adding a "-" sign in front of that number. I am in Calgary, Alberta, Last 10 days we had -20C weather with some snow as well. Nothing to it, LOL! |
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Madx wrote:
Last night here in California we were advised that there was a spare the air alert and to refrain from wood fires. So if it is not harmful why would it be all over the news NOT to make a fire? It's currently the PC position comes to mind? More realistically in a metro area it is a particulate source which can be a problem. -- |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:52:50 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. That's warm. Las Vegas has been down to 32F the past two nights. I'm freezing. It was only 34F this morning - two hours after sun rise! |
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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Madx wrote: Last night here in California we were advised that there was a spare the air alert and to refrain from wood fires. So if it is not harmful why would it be all over the news NOT to make a fire? It's currently the PC position comes to mind? More realistically in a metro area it is a particulate source which can be a problem. ....which is exactly why it was made illegal here (Rochester NY) at some point in the past. |
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it would have to exist first.
"Caesar Romano" wrote in message ... When is global warming going to kick in? |
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In article , Kurt Ullman wrote:
It is all what you are used to. Living in Indiana, I get a kick when the Weather Bureau posts wind chill warnings for Florida's panhandle when WIND CHILLS get down to 32 or so. Yep. I've lived in Indianapolis for 30+ years. In about '85 or so, I was in Atlanta on business for two weeks, ending just before Labor Day. A day or two before the trip ended, a cold front came through, and the overnight low actually dipped down below 70 degrees, all the way to 67. Next morning, the weatherman on TV said "Well, folks, summer's over, fall's here, and winter's coming. Chilly day today, with the high only 74." People were actually wearing jackets and sweaters! And for the first time in two weeks, I felt comfortable outdoors. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:47:59 -0600, dpb wrote:
Madx wrote: Last night here in California we were advised that there was a spare the air alert and to refrain from wood fires. So if it is not harmful why would it be all over the news NOT to make a fire? It's currently the PC position comes to mind? That position and PC effect are moving East. Buy a house in NV and you get disclaimers about what CA has declared... SD and SF did a lights out program awhile back. Turn off the lights for a night or something like that. More realistically in a metro area it is a particulate source which can be a problem. For years wood burning has been banned in Las Vegas. Homes built earlier with a real fire place were grand fathered and still are allowed to use wood for heat. A week ago my furnace needed a repair. I used the gas fire place and fake logs to warm up a little. :) |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:48:09 -0800, "Madx" wrote
Re Damn, it's cold: Last night here in California we were advised that there was a spare the air alert and to refrain from wood fires. So if it is not harmful why would it be all over the news NOT to make a fire? The original post referred to wood burning being bad for the *planet*. The LA or SF or SD air basins are not the planet. They are environmental aberrations cause by man over crowding a basin created by too many people in one place, mountains, on-shore breezes and inversions. You people in La La land think the world evolves around you but it doesn't. Moron |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:52:50 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Evacuate, stock up on food, closing schools & roads, no mail........ What happened, somebody see a snowflake? High here today, 29 F, with 10 inches of new snow. Just a typical day, no big deal. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Speak softly and carry a loaded .45 Lifetime member; Vast Right Wing Conspiricy Web Site: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:52:44 -0800, "Madx" wrote:
You DO know that burning wood is very BAD for the environment! I guess you don't care much about the health of the planet. When Al Snore practices what he preaches, I might listen. Until then, I found a place that gave me 129 trillion carbon credits free, so I'm all set. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Speak softly and carry a loaded .45 Lifetime member; Vast Right Wing Conspiricy Web Site: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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On Dec 16, 10:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Hah, I was running the AC last night. (Fl) |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:26:34 -0800 (PST), Ron
wrote: On Dec 16, 10:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Hah, I was running the AC last night. (Fl) Maybe you haven't live there long enough to see it snow in Miami. Your turn is coming. |
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On Dec 16, 8:57 pm, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:26:34 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: On Dec 16, 10:52 am, "HeyBub" wrote: Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. Hah, I was running the AC last night. (Fl) Maybe you haven't live there long enough to see it snow in Miami. Your turn is coming. Hurricanes, lightening strikes, tornadoes, wild fires. I'll keep my 4 seasons tyvm. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. In Houston Today it was so cold...... |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message ... Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. WHAT??? Evacuate? Shelter? http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/...ery=houston+tx Sounds like springtime to me. I suppose it's what your used to. When a hurricane heads our way, vistors look down and say "Feet, make tracks!" while we natives stock up on beer and strawberry pop-tarts. Can't have a party without pop-tarts. We're starting to take hurricanes a bit more seriously, though. Last one that affected our area, Katrina, missed us by almost 200 miles. What it DID do, however, was bother us with 250,000 evacuees from New Orleans, a great number of which were criminals. In the intervening two years, most of these criminals have been killed off or are in Texas jails ("Whatch yo' mean, I can't be walkin' in my 'hood with a Malt an' a toke?"), but why go to the trouble. In today's Houston paper: "[Evacuees] seeking to escape the next hurricane or state emergency by evacuation bus will first be submitted to criminal background checks, the state's emergency management director says." http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/5380868.html Appease the gods of wind and water with human sacrifice, I always say. |
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"HeyBub" wrote Got down to 38F last night in Houston. Had to put on all the clothes I owned. Even had to get another blanket. From the attic. At least we didn't have to evacuate to a shelter like so many. Fortunately, we have plenty of food; neighbors are stocking up on canned goods and bottled water. I'm not sure whether they're going to close the schools or the roads. Mail delivery is likewise iffy. === All because it's 38 degrees?? Surely you jest. |
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