Kurt Ullman wrote:
It appears that this article sorta indicates that some of the
assumptions stated earlier may be up for reconsideration (g)

Gunman killed outside S. Ind. police HQ


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../LOCAL/7121003
87
http://tinyurl.com/29csr

Not much to go on in the story. Probably SBC (Suicide By Cop).

Don't like guns? Don't think anyone should have them? Then, lead by example.
Post signs in your windows that state: "This is a gun free house".

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"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



that mall was posted "NO guns".

Illegal to carry there,permit or not.

Don't do business with places that post "NO guns".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



that mall was posted "NO guns".

Illegal to carry there,permit or not.

Don't do business with places that post "NO guns".

These days with so many businesses pushing some kind of socio-political
agenda, it makes sense to pay attention to who you are doing business
with. Regardless of your particular views, you may find you are helping
fund your enemy.

Best solution is don't go to the mall.

Jim Yanik wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who
had a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have
lessened the carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



that mall was posted "NO guns".

Illegal to carry there,permit or not.

Don't do business with places that post "NO guns".

I do that. The last time was with an audio-video store from whom I had
purchased equipment to the tune of $11,000.00. I try to shop local and would
have saved about 900.00 if I had purchased online, but like to keep my
business in my community if possible. As we were beginning to load my van,
the owner happened to notice my waistband holster. He gently mentioned that
he doesn't allow guns on his property and would I please not bring it onto
the premises next time. I said, 'Fine. But since the reason I made the
purchase from you, and not the internet, was to take advantage of local
support and service face-to-face. you have just told me not to come back. So
please cancel the order. I'll get my stuff elsewhere.'

The look on his face was priceless.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
...
Jim Yanik wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who
had a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have
lessened the carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



that mall was posted "NO guns".

Illegal to carry there,permit or not.

Don't do business with places that post "NO guns".

I do that. The last time was with an audio-video store from whom I had
purchased equipment to the tune of $11,000.00. I try to shop local and
would have saved about 900.00 if I had purchased online, but like to keep
my business in my community if possible. As we were beginning to load my
van, the owner happened to notice my waistband holster. He gently
mentioned that he doesn't allow guns on his property and would I please
not bring it onto the premises next time. I said, 'Fine. But since the
reason I made the purchase from you, and not the internet, was to take
advantage of local support and service face-to-face. you have just told me
not to come back. So please cancel the order. I'll get my stuff
elsewhere.'

The look on his face was priceless.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com


If one is not to patronize a business, it is important to tell them. If I
get bad service or bad food, I make it a point to tell the manager/owner.
At times, they have made concessions to make it right and keep my business.
At other times, they at least know that I won't be back and why. It's not
sensible to just leave and not state your case.

Steve

"Dave Bugg" wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who
had a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have
lessened the carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



that mall was posted "NO guns".

Illegal to carry there,permit or not.

Don't do business with places that post "NO guns".

I do that. The last time was with an audio-video store from whom I had
purchased equipment to the tune of $11,000.00. I try to shop local and
would have saved about 900.00 if I had purchased online, but like to
keep my business in my community if possible. As we were beginning to
load my van, the owner happened to notice my waistband holster. He
gently mentioned that he doesn't allow guns on his property and would
I please not bring it onto the premises next time. I said, 'Fine. But
since the reason I made the purchase from you, and not the internet,
was to take advantage of local support and service face-to-face. you
have just told me not to come back. So please cancel the order. I'll
get my stuff elsewhere.'

The look on his face was priceless.


EXCELLENT!

interestingly,Costco has a "No Guns" policy,but does NOT post signs at
their entries(How two-faced;they don't want CCW,but don't want to lose the
business either).
In the Orlando area,Tuesday Morning has been the only store I've
encountered that was posted "No guns".(I've never done business with them
anyways,just noticed the sign while riding by on my bike.)

What's ironic is that the legal carriers of concealed guns are NOT the ones
anyone has to worry about. Concealed Carry Permit holders have established
a SUBERB record in every state they are allowed.They are more law-abiding
than police.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:

What's ironic is that the legal carriers of concealed guns are NOT
the ones anyone has to worry about. Concealed Carry Permit holders
have established a SUBERB record in every state they are allowed.They
are more law-abiding than police.

I always laugh at the stores that post 'No Guns' signs. They might as well
post a sign saying 'Attention criminals: Please note that we are unarmed and
helpless'.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:39:50 -0800, "Dave Bugg"
wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:

What's ironic is that the legal carriers of concealed guns are NOT
the ones anyone has to worry about. Concealed Carry Permit holders
have established a SUBERB record in every state they are allowed.They
are more law-abiding than police.

I always laugh at the stores that post 'No Guns' signs. They might as well
post a sign saying 'Attention criminals: Please note that we are unarmed and
helpless'.

"No guns, please. We, the merchants want to be perfectly safe while
ripping you off."

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most places
(like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises. They have the
red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door. If someone would
have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the *******, they would have
gotten in trouble.

"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most
places (like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises. They
have the red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door. If
someone would have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the *******,
they would have gotten in trouble.

That's part of the training. Learning that you are not getting a Rambo
license, and that there are places where you may NOT take your gun. One of
them is ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY that posts signs to exclude them. What I did
was when a local WalMart put those out, I went face to face with the manager
and said that if that was their policy, that I would no longer shop at any
WalMart. I guess enough others did it, too, and it wasn't long before the
signs were gone.

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in
:


"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had
a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened
the carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most
places (like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises.
They have the red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door.
If someone would have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the
*******, they would have gotten in trouble.

That's part of the training. Learning that you are not getting a
Rambo license, and that there are places where you may NOT take your
gun. One of them is ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY that posts signs to exclude
them. What I did was when a local WalMart put those out, I went face
to face with the manager and said that if that was their policy, that
I would no longer shop at any WalMart. I guess enough others did it,
too, and it wasn't long before the signs were gone.

actually,Wal-Mart CORPORATE was contacted and told about the stores that
violate their Corporate Policy allowing legal carry.They notified all their
stores to "clarify" that policy. B-)


Steve




the problem is that such places as malls are really NOT "private"
property,but are *open to the general public*. Thus,they should be treated
the same as any other public place.We already regulate "private" businesses
for food safety,public health,sanitation,fire hazards,workplace safety.

It's tragically clear that posting a place "No guns" does not prevent
criminals or terrorists from coming in with guns and committing murder.

It actually has the OPPOSITE effect,establishing a place clearly SAFE for
criminals to commit murder.
A Guarantee that no one will be equipped to fight back.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:58:05 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:


"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
.. .

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most
places (like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises. They
have the red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door. If
someone would have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the *******,
they would have gotten in trouble.

That's part of the training. Learning that you are not getting a Rambo
license, and that there are places where you may NOT take your gun. One of
them is ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY that posts signs to exclude them. What I did
was when a local WalMart put those out, I went face to face with the manager
and said that if that was their policy, that I would no longer shop at any
WalMart. I guess enough others did it, too, and it wasn't long before the
signs were gone.

Steve


Sam would be ****ed off about those signs....

If they won't let you carry in WalMart, the sports section sells guns
and ammo, or they used to. If so, buy and carry

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:13:59 -0600, "J.A. Michel"
wrote:


"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most places
(like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises. They have the
red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door. If someone would
have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the *******, they would have
gotten in trouble.

Really think so? After recent incidents at malls undercover cops are
increased. They will not surrender :-/

J.A. Michel wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who
had a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have
lessened the carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve


Nebraska is a CCW state. CCW's are useless here in NE, because most
places (like malls) prohibit the carry of weapons on their premises. They
have the red circle-slash with a gun in it stickers on the door.
If someone would have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the
*******, they would have gotten in trouble.

Heh! In my state, Texas, the signage is prescribed by law. The sign must
say, exactly, "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of
a license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Article
4413(29ee), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun."

But that's not all.

The letters must be at least 1" high, in colors contrasting with the
background.

That's not all either.

It has to be in Spanish also!

That makes the sign about 2x3 feet in size, should any business want to
erect one (I've only seen one such sign in seven years and it was
non-compliant (too small). I ignored it.)

As for the red-circled pistol with a slash, I think that insignia means "We
don't sell pistols."

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:18:07 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

As for the red-circled pistol with a slash, I think that insignia means "We
don't sell pistols."

LMAO!

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:18:07 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

[snip]


As for the red-circled pistol with a slash, I think that insignia means "We
don't sell pistols."


"If you want to bring your gun in here, it must have parts painted
red."

HeyBub wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who
had a concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
If someone would have ignored the law, and carried in, and shot the
*******, they would have gotten in trouble.

Heh! In my state, Texas, the signage is prescribed by law. The sign must
say, exactly, "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of
a license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Article
4413(29ee), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun."

But that's not all.


Or pistolas.
The letters must be at least 1" high, in colors contrasting with the
background.

That's not all either.

It has to be in Spanish also!

That makes the sign about 2x3 feet in size, should any business want to
erect one (I've only seen one such sign in seven years and it was
non-compliant (too small). I ignored it.)

As for the red-circled pistol with a slash, I think that insignia means "We
don't sell pistols."

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On Dec 10 2007, 12:06*am, "SteveB"
wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. *Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. *If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve

I live about 4 miles from this weekends mall shooting in Tinley Park
IL. The damn Lane Bryant store had no security video system. No
video these days, how crazy is that? Lane Bryant should be sued for
that alone because now they cant ID the shooter. Lane Bryant is only
offering a 50k reward, they should have put that 50k into a video
system to cover their asses, now it will really cost them. IL outlaws
CC unfortunately, otherwise the incident probably would not have
happened as shooterrs would be more wary, or at least the shooter
would have been stopped. This shooter probably knew he would not be
on camera. CC and mandatory rifle/pistol classes at the high school
level would do a lot to deter gun crime.

RickH wrote in news:38bc2787-a01f-4e7a-
:

On Dec 10 2007, 12:06*am, "SteveB"
wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. *Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. *If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve

I live about 4 miles from this weekends mall shooting in Tinley Park
IL. The damn Lane Bryant store had no security video system. No
video these days, how crazy is that? Lane Bryant should be sued for
that alone because now they cant ID the shooter. Lane Bryant is only
offering a 50k reward, they should have put that 50k into a video
system to cover their asses, now it will really cost them. IL outlaws
CC unfortunately,

Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)

otherwise the incident probably would not have
happened as shooterrs would be more wary, or at least the shooter
would have been stopped. This shooter probably knew he would not be
on camera. CC and mandatory rifle/pistol classes at the high school
level would do a lot to deter gun crime.



I guess all of Illinois is a "gun-free"(and free-fire) zone.....
Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)


I disagree that schools should make rifle/pistol classes -mandatory- .
it should be people's own free choice whether to use a firearm or not.
But,they could make firearm SAFETY part of their health class.



ODC= ordinary decent citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Feb 4, 2:49*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
RickH wrote in news:38bc2787-a01f-4e7a-
:

On Dec 10 2007, 12:06*am, "SteveB"
wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. *Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. *If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve

I live about 4 miles from this weekends mall shooting in Tinley Park
IL. *The damn Lane Bryant store had no security video system. *No
video these days, how crazy is that? *Lane Bryant should be sued for
that alone because now they cant ID the shooter. *Lane Bryant is only
offering a 50k reward, they should have put that 50k into a video
system to cover their asses, now it will really cost them. *IL outlaws
CC unfortunately,

Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)

otherwise the incident probably would not have
happened as shooterrs would be more wary, or at least the shooter
would have been stopped. *This shooter probably knew he would not be
on camera. *CC and mandatory rifle/pistol classes at the high school
level would do a lot to deter gun crime.

I guess all of Illinois is a "gun-free"(and free-fire) zone.....
Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)

I disagree that schools should make rifle/pistol classes -mandatory- .
it should be people's own free choice whether to use a firearm or not.
But,they could make firearm SAFETY part of their health class.

ODC= ordinary decent citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Agreed, IL is pretty bad when it comes to gun sanity, in essense only
the criminals are allowed to own them. I think if a state does not
have CC then they should at least allow shop managers and store owners
to carry or set booby traps, etc. The Lane Bryant store especially
needs a woman with a gun, criminals know there will never be a man in
a small apparell store like that and that it would be a push over for
rape and robbery (which they disclosed may be involved today). If the
police can have guns, then why not law abiding citizens? In a medical
emergency they talk about the "golden minute" for paramedic service,
but in a robbery its more like a "golden second", you cant afford to
wait a whole minute for police service, you need to be ready with your
weapon. In Illinois it is even illegal to defend your home from an
armed intruder, unless the court proves that the entry wound is in the
front of the criminals body. So in IL if someone breaks in and begins
raping your daughter, you have to make sure you shoot him from the
front, now that is an insane law.

"RickH" wrote in message
...
On Feb 4, 2:49 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
RickH wrote in news:38bc2787-a01f-4e7a-
:

On Dec 10 2007, 12:06 am, "SteveB"
wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve

I live about 4 miles from this weekends mall shooting in Tinley Park
IL. The damn Lane Bryant store had no security video system. No
video these days, how crazy is that? Lane Bryant should be sued for
that alone because now they cant ID the shooter. Lane Bryant is only
offering a 50k reward, they should have put that 50k into a video
system to cover their asses, now it will really cost them. IL outlaws
CC unfortunately,

Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)

otherwise the incident probably would not have
happened as shooterrs would be more wary, or at least the shooter
would have been stopped. This shooter probably knew he would not be
on camera. CC and mandatory rifle/pistol classes at the high school
level would do a lot to deter gun crime.

I guess all of Illinois is a "gun-free"(and free-fire) zone.....
Making it SAFE for criminals.(far safer for them than ODCs)

I disagree that schools should make rifle/pistol classes -mandatory- .
it should be people's own free choice whether to use a firearm or not.
But,they could make firearm SAFETY part of their health class.

ODC= ordinary decent citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Agreed, IL is pretty bad when it comes to gun sanity, in essense only
the criminals are allowed to own them. I think if a state does not
have CC then they should at least allow shop managers and store owners
to carry or set booby traps, etc. The Lane Bryant store especially
needs a woman with a gun, criminals know there will never be a man in
a small apparell store like that and that it would be a push over for
rape and robbery (which they disclosed may be involved today). If the
police can have guns, then why not law abiding citizens? In a medical
emergency they talk about the "golden minute" for paramedic service,
but in a robbery its more like a "golden second", you cant afford to
wait a whole minute for police service, you need to be ready with your
weapon. In Illinois it is even illegal to defend your home from an
armed intruder, unless the court proves that the entry wound is in the
front of the criminals body. So in IL if someone breaks in and begins
raping your daughter, you have to make sure you shoot him from the
front, now that is an insane law.

Most gun laws are insane. Unnecessary. Redundant. Meaningless.
Worthless.

I could go on.

Steve

On Dec 10 2007, 1:06*am, "SteveB"
wrote:
I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. *Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. *If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve

According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by
Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive
Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per
year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.

See complete statistics and references he


http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/noframedex.html

"Stephen King" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in news:t2uu25-
:

I saw a clear full body picture of the Omaha shooter. Anyone who had a
concealed weapon and who could shoot decently could have lessened the
carnage. If you got a CCW, carry your weapon.

Steve



Yup, that mental a-hole could have hopefully been stopped b4 hurting other
people. What a f'n loser he was.

A case a couple of days ago where a woman security guard shot and killed a
man with weapon and lots of ammunition with hundreds of people near. Not
sure if he was going after them, but probably. Salt Lake City, a few months
ago. Off duty police officer shot and killed gunman after the gunman killed
and wounded people. Other cases.

I wonder how many people who have lived through these incidents went out and
bought concealed firearms and are now certified. I would bet a surprising
number. Too bad we won't hear from them.

Steve