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Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

A/C systems
 

On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Consumer Reports did a long term poll , maybe 5 years of 300000, and
Goodman came in a solid Last Place. Get a load calculation in writing,
measurements and guessing is not enough, what you need is the best
installer, not equipment.

A/C systems
 

Dottie wrote:

Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Hmmm,
Carrier with 1 year warranty? 13 SEER is bare minimum requirement now.
If you live where a/c is used a lot, higher SEER unit may be a better
choice for the long run. Also you have to choose between old Freon based
or newer refrrgerant(R22 vs R410).

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On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........

A/C systems
 

ransley wrote:
On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:

Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.


Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........

Hi,
Another case of you et what you pay for. Quality of install can't be
too emphasized.

A/C systems
 

ransley wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:

Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.


Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........

.... probably mostly due to a lower markup more than any technical
reason. The "bad reputation" seems to be a creation of their
competitors.

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Tony Hwang wrote:

ransley wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:

Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.



Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........

Hi,
Another case of you et what you pay for. Quality of install can't be
too emphasized.

It's not at all clear that you get what you pay for where HVAC is involved.

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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

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"Dottie" wrote in message
oups.com...
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.


Forget about the equipment and go with the best installer you can find.
A great installer can make anything work properly, but a hack can make even
the best equipment fail to the point where one thinks it's nothing but
garbage.

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"ransley" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Consumer Reports did a long term poll , maybe 5 years of 300000, and
Goodman came in a solid Last Place. Get a load calculation in writing,
measurements and guessing is not enough, what you need is the best
installer, not equipment.


CR is nothing but a JOKE.
You might as well ask your favorite pet which equipment to purchase.

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"ransley" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early next
week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of charge
except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........


As does all equipment when installed improperly........

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:15:44 -0700, Dottie wrote:

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I'm not a pro.

Got no axes to grind.

If you want "better" and you have the $, get Trane.

Goodman "fit and finish" may leave something to be desired.
Suspect Trane is easier to repair as well.

As regards reliability/longevity, with proper install,
I don't think anybody knows ('tho they'll swear that they do).

I'd place highest priority on selecting a super-competent
conny-tractor, type of eqpt. a distant second.

Cheers,
Puddin'

"Well, there's two trains runnin'.
Ain't neither one goin' my way.
One run at midnight,
the other run just before day."
- from "Still A Fool", Muddy Waters, maybe 1949

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ransley wrote:
On Oct 19, 9:15 am, Dottie wrote:
Someone came out today and measured my house . They will return next
week with an estimate for a new a/c (condenser and air handler) for
Trane, Goodman and possibly Carrier. I have someone coming early
next week from a different company ... same type estimates.

I know that Trane and Goodman are made in this country. I also know
Trane is better known but Goodman has a good reputation...(my current
condenser is a 15-yr. old Goodman. Got it to replace a Singer that
had gone bad and Goodman was only thing that would work with the air
handler. It has never had any problems).

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I have a Carrier air handler. I bought it to replace the Singer when
it broke - and because it would work with a Goodman condenser. The
first Carrier lasted about one year and two weeks. I had a one year
warranty but the company that sold it to me replaced it free of
charge except for labor. No problems since then...about four years.
Still, it makes me skeptical...may not be justified.

This is a big expense and I want to be sure I am making a smart
choice. My husband wants to wait until what we have breaks before
replacing it ... I don't want to be rushed. People across the street
from me got a 3 1/2 ton Trane, 1300 SEER and their utility bill went
down a lot even though they only had it for 15-days of billing cycle.

Goodman has a bad reputation,, as in crapman...........

All kidding aside. Look for a contractor who can prove themselves. Either
they are NATE approved and certified technicians, or RSES approved and
certified technitions. Good contractors belong to trade associations and
continue to attend schooling to keep up with equipment changes and trends.
ACCA is a good start. PHCC is another good start.

A smart consumer will check the contractors credentials and ask some prudent
information. A smart consumer will ask friends, relatives, and neighbors
who they've had good or bad experiences with. You make the choice and don't
let price dictate your decision alone.


--
Zyp

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"Puddin' Man" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:15:44 -0700, Dottie wrote:

What I would like to know - preferably from someone who works on a/c
systems ... are they comparable as far as problems/break downs go?
Will one outlast the other? Goodman costs less. Is it just because
of name recognition?

I'm not a pro.


Should have stopped there...


Got no axes to grind.

If you want "better" and you have the $, get Trane.

Goodman "fit and finish" may leave something to be desired.
Suspect Trane is easier to repair as well.


Complete bull****...