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Sliding patio door inside or outside?
Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the
sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
on 10/17/2007 8:48 PM ** Frank ** said the following:
Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? I had a sliding door that was removed after a sun room was built. I now have 2 sliding doors in the sun room. All 3 sliders were/are on the inside. Don't know if there is a rule about which goes on the inside, but I would rather slide the door into a clear track than into a snow filled track. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
on 10/17/2007 9:00 PM willshak said the following:
on 10/17/2007 8:48 PM ** Frank ** said the following: Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? I had a sliding door that was removed after a sun room was built. I now have 2 sliding doors in the sun room. All 3 sliders were/are on the inside. Don't know if there is a rule about which goes on the inside, but I would rather slide the door into a clear track than into a snow filled track. Another thing I forgot. When the slider is on the inside, you can stick a piece of broom handle or a piece of wood as a wedge in the track and the door can not be pried open. Having the slider on the outside would not allow that. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"willshak" wrote in message ... on 10/17/2007 9:00 PM willshak said the following: on 10/17/2007 8:48 PM ** Frank ** said the following: Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? I had a sliding door that was removed after a sun room was built. I now have 2 sliding doors in the sun room. All 3 sliders were/are on the inside. Don't know if there is a rule about which goes on the inside, but I would rather slide the door into a clear track than into a snow filled track. Another thing I forgot. When the slider is on the inside, you can stick a piece of broom handle or a piece of wood as a wedge in the track and the door can not be pried open. Having the slider on the outside would not allow that. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ Good point. Funny, sliders for the doors outside but inside for the windows for my house. I need to verify this for my other units. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
In article , willshak wrote:
Another thing I forgot. When the slider is on the inside, you can stick a piece of broom handle or a piece of wood as a wedge in the track and the door can not be pried open. Having the slider on the outside would not allow that. Good point. And every sliding door in every house I've owned has presented me with the option of using the broom handle as an added security measure. FWIW, using standard PVC water pipe works great and is a lot cheaper. Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. Pella puts them on the outside. The theory being, if the wind is blowing against the door, the pressure help seal the door to keep air out as opposed to pushing it away from the gasket. Mine has been in for about 10+ years now and I like it a lot. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
willshak wrote:
on 10/17/2007 8:48 PM ** Frank ** said the following: Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? I had a sliding door that was removed after a sun room was built. I now have 2 sliding doors in the sun room. All 3 sliders were/are on the inside. Don't know if there is a rule about which goes on the inside, but I would rather slide the door into a clear track than into a snow filled track. I agree- the doors here are on the outside, and I hate it. Tracks are always grunged up, and the one that gets used most has a problem with rollers jumping off the rail. I'm big enough to manhandle it back on, but a smaller person could not. (Yeah, I know, I keep meaning to buy a refurb kit and take it apart, but as long as it seals...) Other thing I hate is, screen is on wrong side. You can't close weather door without opening the screen door all the way- not a trivial concern in mosquito season. I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.... |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
In article , "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. Pella puts them on the outside. The theory being, if the wind is blowing against the door, the pressure help seal the door to keep air out as opposed to pushing it away from the gasket. Mine has been in for about 10+ years now and I like it a lot. Hmmmm, interesting logic. However, I don't think it should be necessary unless the doors are huge and/or excessively flexible. I have two sets of large sliding doors. They're nothing special -- just what the builder put in when the house was built 17 years ago. Neither one had leaked, even a little bit. And the house is on a hill and both doors face onto a canyon, so they're pretty well exposed to the wind. The fly screens are crap; I should get some replacements. But the doors look good, slide smoothly, and don't leak (air or water). -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 17, 8:53 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. Pella puts them on the outside. The theory being, if the wind is blowing against the door, the pressure help seal the door to keep air out as opposed to pushing it away from the gasket. Mine has been in for about 10+ years now and I like it a lot. Pella is outside but the screen lets in bugs to the closed section and bugs can come in because you need to open the screen to close the slider |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
** Frank ** wrote:
Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? We have triple panel glass with slider in center. Slider is on inside, and units are quite old - 35/40 years. I assume the slider is inside so that the track it slides on is protected from water and dirt. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message t... "Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. Pella puts them on the outside. The theory being, if the wind is blowing against the door, the pressure help seal the door to keep air out as opposed to pushing it away from the gasket. Mine has been in for about 10+ years now and I like it a lot. Ok, I've check all the 8 doors in 4 different cities and all are on the outside with screen outside of everything. Its been like that since 1952 for the oldest house and the newest one is 1981. I like it on the outside like you indicated for positive wind pressure. Maintenance wise its better taking it outside and lay it on the patio rather than inside the house where the hardwood floor could be damaged or over spray from WD40, oil or grease on the carpet. I also think breaking into an outside door is more difficult since you have to go through two doors instead of one. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
JimR wrote:
"aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 17, 8:48 pm, "** Frank **" wrote:
Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? We have Andresson Sliding doors. The main track is on the inside for the glass door. The screen door for bugs has a slider on the outside. You can open the glass goors without having to touch the bug screen doors. That is quite nice. Best, Mike. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
on 10/17/2007 11:12 PM JimR said the following:
"aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Probably for interior french doors, but the OP is asking about exterior french doors and they swing in. It would be very hard to open an outward swinging door with 3' of snow packed up against it. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Norminn" wrote in message
... ** Frank ** wrote: Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? We have triple panel glass with slider in center. Slider is on inside, and units are quite old - 35/40 years. I assume the slider is inside so that the track it slides on is protected from water and dirt. IMHO any sliding door with the slider on the outside (and screen on the inside) was installed by someone who ordered the wrong door, didn't know better, or didn't care. In the past I've installed tamper-proof screws for clients who had doors installed like this and were concerned about how easy it would be for someone to unscrew the track and take the slider out. Just another downside to having the slider on the outside, in addition to all the things that other posters have mentioned. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. But the doors in all commercial establishments must open outward. Fire regs - a stampede toward the door would trap the people. As an aside, I would think opening outward for residential doors is equally valid. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 18, 7:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. I have seen that statement made before. Oddly, noone has given a cite to prove it. Harry K |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 19, 5:15 am, willshak wrote:
on 10/17/2007 11:12 PM JimR said the following: "aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Probably for interior french doors, but the OP is asking about exterior french doors and they swing in. It would be very hard to open an outward swinging door with 3' of snow packed up against it. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ I haven't seen but a couple, and they all opened out. BIL has two in his house - both out swing. One installed only about 5 or 6 years ago. Harry K |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 17, 5:48 pm, "** Frank **" wrote:
Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? Just MHO but I _hate_ sliders. The worst abortion for closure ever invented. High maintenance, poor sealing. When I added an 18x30 addition the wife insisted on a slider. I tried to convince her to go with 'french doors' - no luck. She still cusses her stubborness. Lates quote I got last year was about $1,500 to replace the Anderson with a French door. Were I ever to look at a house with a slider in it, it would have to be replaced before I would buy. Harry K |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
on 10/19/2007 12:58 PM Harry K said the following:
On Oct 18, 7:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. I have seen that statement made before. Oddly, noone has given a cite to prove it. Harry K In places that have such building requirements for public buildings, the doors are supposed to open outwards. Fire, you know. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
on 10/19/2007 12:59 PM Harry K said the following:
On Oct 19, 5:15 am, willshak wrote: on 10/17/2007 11:12 PM JimR said the following: "aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Probably for interior french doors, but the OP is asking about exterior french doors and they swing in. It would be very hard to open an outward swinging door with 3' of snow packed up against it. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ I haven't seen but a couple, and they all opened out. BIL has two in his house - both out swing. One installed only about 5 or 6 years ago. Harry K Might be a problem if a fire started in the house and the only exit was blocked by snow drifts. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Harry K" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 18, 7:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. I have seen that statement made before. Oddly, noone has given a cite to prove it. Harry K Code or no code, all the residential exterior doors I've seen open in. I want to install an exterior French door open out but than the threshold will be reversed and the hinges exposed degrading security. Anyway I talk with a door contractor and he could install with doors open out, so may not be code. Exterior doors open out in some foreign countries. My commercial exterior door swings in and out, handicap approved, hidden spring loaded for panel to return to close position, panels could remain open in or out without being latched, heavy duty three point latch with just a flip of the finger, 1/4" thick temper glass, and build like a tank almost intrusion proof. I wish doors made this well for residential use. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On 17 Oct, 21:47, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , willshak wrote: Another thing I forgot. When the slider is on the inside, you can stick a piece of broom handle or a piece of wood as a wedge in the track and the door can not be pried open. Having the slider on the outside would not allow that. Good point. And every sliding door in every house I've owned has presented me with the option of using the broom handle as an added security measure. FWIW, using standard PVC water pipe works great and is a lot cheaper. Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the standard convention. -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | |http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Instead of a wooden stick or PVC pipe, which must be moved into and out of the track each time the door is secured/unsecured, I use two of the push-button locks that came with my Crestline door. They supplied one; I doubled up and put one at the bottom and one at the top. I drilled extra holes in the upper and lower frame so I can open the door about 9" for ventilation with security. I also removed the sill bracket and positioned the lock so that more of the steel shaft extends into the oak sill and top plate. The lock can be seen at the bottom right of this page: http://www.crestlinewindows.com/PDFs...ding_CW_FO.pdf |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 19, 11:08 am, "** Frank **" wrote:
"Harry K" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 18, 7:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "aemeijers" wrote in message Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Not doubting your word, but the ones I've seen up here in snow country all open in. The only weather doors I see that swing out around here are on small sheds. aem sends... Code is to open in on standard doors, I don't see that French doors would be any different. I have seen that statement made before. Oddly, noone has given a cite to prove it. Harry K Code or no code, all the residential exterior doors I've seen open in. I want to install an exterior French door open out but than the threshold will be reversed and the hinges exposed degrading security. Anyway I talk with a door contractor and he could install with doors open out, so may not be code. Exterior doors open out in some foreign countries. My commercial exterior door swings in and out, handicap approved, hidden spring loaded for panel to return to close position, panels could remain open in or out without being latched, heavy duty three point latch with just a flip of the finger, 1/4" thick temper glass, and build like a tank almost intrusion proof. I wish doors made this well for residential use.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 1. I have an 'outswing' for my entry. It does open into a small entry porch though. 2. Doors are built for both in and out swing - your choice. 3. Hinges are not a security problem. Out swing have security hinges and you can make your own by drilling a hole and driving a screw in that engages a matching hole in the othe leaf. Mine has that system, both top and bottom hinges. As far as security goes, out swing is better than in. You can kick in an in-swing but you have to take out the entire jamb on an outswing. The out-swing frees up an amazing amount of space inside the room. Harry K |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On Oct 19, 10:49 am, willshak wrote:
on 10/19/2007 12:59 PM Harry K said the following: On Oct 19, 5:15 am, willshak wrote: on 10/17/2007 11:12 PM JimR said the following: "aemeijers" wrote in message ... [snip] I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those, of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room. aem sends.. Standard for French doors is out swing . . . .. Probably for interior french doors, but the OP is asking about exterior french doors and they swing in. It would be very hard to open an outward swinging door with 3' of snow packed up against it. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ I haven't seen but a couple, and they all opened out. BIL has two in his house - both out swing. One installed only about 5 or 6 years ago. Harry K Might be a problem if a fire started in the house and the only exit was blocked by snow drifts. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He is in BC with lots of snow. Haven't heard of any problem opening it and it opens directly onto the patio. One could also posit a problem opening it out due to a mudslide, a car parked against it, etc. I would guess the odds of a being blocked in in case of fire and snow drifts as about the same as the fire blocking off access to the door to start with. Harry K |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
Harry K wrote:
As far as security goes, out swing is better than in. You can kick in an in-swing but you have to take out the entire jamb on an outswing. The out-swing frees up an amazing amount of space inside the room. I wanted outswing french doors on my new house for just that reason. The builder discouraged it on the grounds that in his experience they tend to leak more than in swing doors. -- "Tell me what I should do, Annie." "Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
I'm jumping in here a bit late (date wise) but if the slider is on the
outside an intruder only needs to lift the outside door upward into the upper track and tilt it outward to remove it from the frame -- even if it is locked at the center. And with the screen on the inside any flies and bugs that say on the screen when you open it are swiftly slid directly into the house. "The Streets" wrote in message ... "Norminn" wrote in message ... ** Frank ** wrote: Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of doing it? We have triple panel glass with slider in center. Slider is on inside, and units are quite old - 35/40 years. I assume the slider is inside so that the track it slides on is protected from water and dirt. IMHO any sliding door with the slider on the outside (and screen on the inside) was installed by someone who ordered the wrong door, didn't know better, or didn't care. In the past I've installed tamper-proof screws for clients who had doors installed like this and were concerned about how easy it would be for someone to unscrew the track and take the slider out. Just another downside to having the slider on the outside, in addition to all the things that other posters have mentioned. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"John" wrote in message ... I'm jumping in here a bit late (date wise) but if the slider is on the outside an intruder only needs to lift the outside door upward into the upper track and tilt it outward to remove it from the frame -- even if it is locked at the center. Not true. There are locks that prevent lifting. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message t... "John" wrote in message ... I'm jumping in here a bit late (date wise) but if the slider is on the outside an intruder only needs to lift the outside door upward into the upper track and tilt it outward to remove it from the frame -- even if it is locked at the center. Not true. There are locks that prevent lifting. I just replaced 3 6- foot sliders that had been installed with the operating door on the outside and screen on the inside and simply lifting them up to clear the bottom track removed the door. A sill and head jamb bracket retained the non-op door. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"John" wrote in message I just replaced 3 6- foot sliders that had been installed with the operating door on the outside and screen on the inside and simply lifting them up to clear the bottom track removed the door. A sill and head jamb bracket retained the non-op door. You did that when it was locked right? And it applies to every brand, correct? |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
On 25 Oct, 11:27, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"John" wrote in message I just replaced 3 6- foot sliders that had been installed with the operating door on the outside and screen on the inside and simply lifting them up to clear the bottom track removed the door. A sill and head jamb bracket retained the non-op door. - You did that when it was locked right? And it applies to every brand, correct? I can answer that. :-) My Crestline door (granted: interior slider) can not be lifted and removed. An interior header strip needs to be removed (~ 6 screws) in order to remove the slider. Once this header strip is removed, the slider simply tilts into the room. 2 of the 3 locks would have to be unlocked to accomplish this. |
Sliding patio door inside or outside?
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:ZB2Ui.14953$na2.7264@trndny08... "John" wrote in message I just replaced 3 6- foot sliders that had been installed with the operating door on the outside and screen on the inside and simply lifting them up to clear the bottom track removed the door. A sill and head jamb bracket retained the non-op door. You did that when it was locked right? And it applies to every brand, correct? Did one pair when locked because too lazy to go totally around house . Can't say every brand and don't know year made. These were 2 different manufacturers however . The houses was there from the mid 80's |
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