I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.

Try he
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....s?lnk=sg&hl=en

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.

mm wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.
Hi,
If you know about Hayes modem protocol, you can run tests.
Google it. Does your PC sees the modem at least? Can you dial into it
from yoyr cell phone, etc. to see what happens.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:39:45 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

If you know about Hayes modem protocol, you can run tests.

That took me back a few days :-)

I just remembered ATDT.

--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:39:45 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:


If you know about Hayes modem protocol, you can run tests.


That took me back a few days :-)

I just remembered ATDT.

--
Oren

..through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..
Hmmm,
I remember acoustic modem you used to stick onto phone handset, LOL!

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:29:47 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

I remember acoustic modem you used to stick onto phone handset, LOL!

I'm not that old or experienced then, but this is funny!!

Gotta change the 5.25 floppy to run spell checker... 2MB RAM. Maybe
those days were DOS 2 - 3.x.

How did you ever survive :-) ?

--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

Oren wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:29:47 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:


I remember acoustic modem you used to stick onto phone handset, LOL!


I'm not that old or experienced then, but this is funny!!

Gotta change the 5.25 floppy to run spell checker... 2MB RAM. Maybe
those days were DOS 2 - 3.x.

How did you ever survive :-) ?


I was thrilled when I could finally afford a paper tape reader/punch.

--
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..through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..


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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:50:49 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:29:47 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

I remember acoustic modem you used to stick onto phone handset, LOL!

I'm not that old or experienced then, but this is funny!!

Gotta change the 5.25 floppy to run spell checker... 2MB RAM. Maybe
those days were DOS 2 - 3.x.

How did you ever survive :-) ?

It was rough. And the fighting with the Indians.

Some of them had Winchesters with DOS 4.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:29:47 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:39:45 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:


If you know about Hayes modem protocol, you can run tests.


That took me back a few days :-)

I just remembered ATDT.

--
Oren

..through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..
Hmmm,
I remember acoustic modem you used to stick onto phone handset, LOL!

IIRC, the Bell 212A standard (1200 BPS) was designed to not work well
with acoustic couplers like 103J (300BPS) was.
--
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

I guess you have removed and then installed the modem drivers again.
Do the same with the COM ports in device manager and reboot.

Can you flash the modem EPROM? Check for a current flash software.

Check the phone line plug on the modem and ensure there is not a bunch
of dust affecting the line connection at the wall and modem. If so,
blow out with canned air.

Line noise can determine the quality of the connection speed for a
modem.



Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

Disable COM ports 2,3 and 4 until you get COM 1 working - my guess or
check the BIOS to ensure the COM ports are enabled.

I take it you moved these modems from one machine to another.


I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.

Pull all but one, get it to work and then move to the next one.

Use the Hayes modem protocol to send commands to the modem, as
mentioned by Tony. (send the command to turn the speaker on so you can
get an idea of what is going on). You can do this in Hyper-Terminal
under Accessories Communication.






--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300

Bell 212A (US) - 1200

ITU V.21 - 300

ITU V.22 - 1200

ITU V.22bis - 2400

ITU V.23 - 1200 / 75

ITU V.32 - 4.8k 7.2k 9.6k

ITU V.32bis - 4.8k 7.2k 9.6k 12k 14.4k

ITU V.32ter - 14.4k 16.8k 19.2k

ITU V.34 - 4.8k 7.2k 9.6k 12k 14.4k 16.8k 19.2k 21.6k 24k 26.4k 28.8k

ITU V.34+ - 4.8k 7.2k 9.6k 12k 14.4k 16.8k 19.2k 21.6k 24k 26.4k 28.8k
31.2k 33.6k

ITU V.90 down - 33.3k 37.3k 41.3k 42.7k 44k 45.3k 46.7k 48k 49.3k
50.7k 52k 53.3k 54.7k 56k 57.3k
ITU V.90 up - 4.8k 7.2k 9.6k 12k 14.4k 16.8k 19.2k 21.6k 24k 26.4k
28.8k 31.2k

ITU V.92 down - (same as V.90 down)
ITU V.92 up - 28k 29.3k 30.7k 32k 33.3k 34.7k 36k 37.3k 38.7k 40k
41.3k 42.7k 44k 45.3k 46.7k 48k

[snip]
--
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300
Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300
Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.


I have a salvaged set (keepers) of RAM. Four 1/4 meg sticks, equals
1MB of RAM. You guys are old G.

--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:


In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:


On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:


On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:


I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300

Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.



I have a salvaged set (keepers) of RAM. Four 1/4 meg sticks, equals
1MB of RAM. You guys are old G.

I still have a 1K board, about 4" by 6" from my SWTP 6800.

For that matter, I think I've got a plane of core around here someplace.


--
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..through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..


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"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:
(snip)

I have a salvaged set (keepers) of RAM. Four 1/4 meg sticks, equals
1MB of RAM. You guys are old G.

Pish. I remember the 256k sticks as new and hi-tech- a big leap up from the
tubes of loose chips we had been using- first 9 chips (for $30) to make a
64k bank, and then the leap to 9 chips making a 256k bank.

I used to keep a 'visual aids' drawer at work with samples of all the
generations of memory chips, and of CPUs, to show to new kids coming in. One
day, some self-appointed arbiter of stuff to keep (stuff she used) vs. junk
(stuff she didn't recognize) pitched it all. Some people are only alive
because killing them isn't worth doing time over....

aem sends....

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.

I had a PcJr. for like 11 years, but didn't have a modem until maybe I
borrowed one the last month, and had no one to call.

I think my first modem I used was 1200, and it was fast enough for
email and usenet iirc.

In article ,
mm wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.

I had a PcJr. for like 11 years, but didn't have a modem until maybe I
borrowed one the last month, and had no one to call.

I think my first modem I used was 1200, and it was fast enough for
email and usenet iirc.

I was up to the 2400 before Usenet was available to me. The 300 was
adequate for RIME and FIDO BBS .

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:20:35 -0400, mm
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.

I had a PcJr. for like 11 years, but didn't have a modem until maybe I
borrowed one the last month, and had no one to call.

I think my first modem I used was 1200, and it was fast enough for
email and usenet iirc.

I remember that 300 would receive text nearly as fast as a lot of
people can read. That is, if you don't have to stop to figure
something out, as in one place where someone confused "gravity" with
"gravidity".
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300
Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.



I remember getting my first "high speed" 1200BPS modem.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:54:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman
wrote:


In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:


On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:


On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:


I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

Bell 103J (US) - 300

Boy that brings back old times. PCjr with a blazing 300. I was SOO
stoked when I upgraded to 1200 and 2400 was the absolute greatest thing
that happened.



I remember getting my first "high speed" 1200BPS modem.

Me, too. I think I paid about a thousand dollars for it. And that was
when a thousand dollars was a lot of money.

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:49:49 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?


Not right. I have some information on modem standards and rates,
copied from a computer magazine:

I jumped in at 14.4k, cost hundreds back then. US Robotics 14.4k.

I just never knew how fast I really was then - given 300 - :-))


--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?

The first modem I had was 300 baud.
It had a cradle for the handset.

Oren wrote:
snip
9600 baud was the first standard, right?
snip

Nope. There were 300 baud, 110 (or was it 150?) baud, and maybe even
some before those.

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CJT wrote:
Oren wrote:
snip
9600 baud was the first standard, right?
snip

Nope. There were 300 baud, 110 (or was it 150?) baud, and maybe even
some before those.

75 and 150 baud - old Model 33 teletype modems. I are official old. :-D

Yours aye,
W. Underhill

--
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who refuses to take sides must *always* be wrong! Heaven save us from
poltroons who fear to make a choice!" R.A. Heinlein, "Double Star"

CJT wrote:
Oren wrote:
snip
9600 baud was the first standard, right?
snip

Nope. There were 300 baud, 110 (or was it 150?) baud, and maybe even
some before those.

I seem to recall a 75 baud in the early 70s for printers, which were the
terminals back then. (There were vicious arguments over which was
better, a hardcopy terminal or a CRT. I always wondered what happened
to those hardcopy people!)

John

John wrote:
CJT wrote:
Oren wrote:
snip
9600 baud was the first standard, right?
snip

Nope. There were 300 baud, 110 (or was it 150?) baud, and maybe even
some before those.

I seem to recall a 75 baud in the early 70s for printers, which were the
terminals back then. (There were vicious arguments over which was
better, a hardcopy terminal or a CRT. I always wondered what happened
to those hardcopy people!)

We're still here...

--

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:57:37 GMT, CJT wrote:

Oren wrote:
snip
9600 baud was the first standard, right?
snip

Nope. There were 300 baud, 110 (or was it 150?) baud, and maybe even
some before those.

I found the following baud rates listed in some UART documentation:

50
75
134.5
150
300
600
1,200
1,800
2,400
3,600
4,800
7,200
9,600
19,200
38,400
57,600
115,200

Source: documentation for Commodore 6551 and those used in the PC.
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

9600 baud was the first standard, right?
--
Oren

I remember when the "experts" said 1200 baud was the maximum speed that
could ever be achieved over regular phone lines, that it was physically
and logically impossible to go faster.

John

Pick up the phone and listen for noise. Punch a number to get the dial tone
to stop. Have you had rain recently? Water getting into the lines can
promote noise which kill modem performance


"mm" wrote in message
...
I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.


Its just a theoretical argument. Since the latest generation of
communications hardware runs in megabit speeds it will have error
checking algorithms. If it doesn't receive the correct response
within a number of microseconds it will try again and after X number
of tries it will drop the connection as faulty. This test treshold
takes less than a second. First generation modems won't pass it.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 02:03:10 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.


Its just a theoretical argument. Since the latest generation of
communications hardware runs in megabit speeds it will have error
checking algorithms. If it doesn't receive the correct response
within a number of microseconds it will try again and after X number
of tries it will drop the connection as faulty. This test treshold
takes less than a second. First generation modems won't pass it.

I forgot to say that too. This wasn't a first generation modem, it was
56K v.90 or 92.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.

I've saved all the replies. Thank you all.

But I'm not going to do anything until the next time it doesn't work.
I realize now that I wasn't clear -- I apologize -- but I actually
wasn't asking for help, just telling you how it stopped working and
then seemed to work again after being without power for a while. I
thought that would be an incident useful to know about.

I should add, that before I turned it off for 90 minutes, I turned it
off for about 30 seconds and it didnt' work when I turned it on.

And that months ago, I had turned it off for only 5 or 10 seconds on
occasion and that it would work fine when turned on again.

So it seems like being off-power for 90 minutes really helped.

If it had just stopped working, that would have been less interesting,
but I thought the 4800 connections the night before were interesting.

It's still working now. I disconnected and reconnected once since I
first posted.

Thanks again.

DA had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/main...ic-233871-.htm
:

mm wrote:


I've been using an external modem** and last night 2 or 3 times I got
connection speeds of 4800. Not 48,000 but 4800! I think my first
modem was 4800.

Today I couldn't connect at all. It said no modem. I turned it off***
and turned it back on. No good.

Turned it off from 90 minutes, and it worked again. Got to wonder
what will happen tomorrow.


***I should have been turning it off when I turned off the computer.
I could have plugged it into the UPS even, but after a few days I just
started leaving it on, for months.

**because for some reason I couldn't get two internal modems to work,
one that had been working the previous day on another mobo and one
that was new.

I don't have another external modem and don't want to buy one when I
have 3 internal modems. Maybe I can get one of them to work.

Since you've mentioned a UPS:

Those usually have modem surge protectors nowadays. If you had yours
plugged into a surge protector, remove that and plug it into the phone
line directly. Surge protectors can interfere with latest high speed modem
protocols.

Well, that said, however, it would be wise to disconnect your modem during
thunderstorms if you bypass a surge protector.

D~
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