By partnering with The Alliance for Climate Protection and the global
Live Earth concerts on July 7th 2007, Philips aims to inspire more
than two billion people to take simple steps, such as changing a light
bulb, to lead a more energy efficient life. I saw the details at

http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/841.htm

wrote:
By partnering with The Alliance for Climate Protection and the global
Live Earth concerts on July 7th 2007, Philips aims to inspire more
than two billion people to take simple steps, such as changing a light
bulb, to lead a more energy efficient life. I saw the details at

http://thanalystmagazine.com/pr/841.htm



Energy saving is a great idea but Gore and friends are hypocrites who live a
piggy lifestyle and then invent stuff like "carbon credits" to justify
their behavior.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1879

"George" wrote in message


Energy saving is a great idea but Gore and friends are hypocrites who live
a
piggy lifestyle and then invent stuff like "carbon credits" to justify
their behavior.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1879

The TODAY show had a segment about saving energy and using energy (carbon
imprint" surveys. Lester Holt had an audit of his office. It all seemed to
make sense, but when Lester asked the guy how you could improve, the guy
said "you can donate money to buy carbon offsets". He lost all credibility
when he said that.

In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

"George" wrote in message


Energy saving is a great idea but Gore and friends are hypocrites who live
a
piggy lifestyle and then invent stuff like "carbon credits" to justify
their behavior.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...rticle_id=4667
75&in_page_id=1879

The TODAY show had a segment about saving energy and using energy (carbon
imprint" surveys. Lester Holt had an audit of his office. It all seemed to
make sense, but when Lester asked the guy how you could improve, the guy
said "you can donate money to buy carbon offsets". He lost all credibility
when he said that.

That may be because you don't understand what he meant by that remark.
Those donations go to support the construction and operation of solar,
wind, and hydro plants. Basically, AIUI, the money goes to an
"insurance" fund that guarantees that the power generated by "clean"
plants will be purchased, thereby removing the risk from those who build
them. So if you're not reducing your own carbon footprint on an
individual basis, you're still supporting the cause in a very real way.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

"George" wrote in message

Energy saving is a great idea but Gore and friends are hypocrites who live
a
piggy lifestyle and then invent stuff like "carbon credits" to justify
their behavior.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...rticle_id=4667
75&in_page_id=1879
The TODAY show had a segment about saving energy and using energy (carbon
imprint" surveys. Lester Holt had an audit of his office. It all seemed to
make sense, but when Lester asked the guy how you could improve, the guy
said "you can donate money to buy carbon offsets". He lost all credibility
when he said that.

That may be because you don't understand what he meant by that remark.
Those donations go to support the construction and operation of solar,
wind, and hydro plants. Basically, AIUI, the money goes to an
"insurance" fund that guarantees that the power generated by "clean"
plants will be purchased, thereby removing the risk from those who build
them. So if you're not reducing your own carbon footprint on an
individual basis, you're still supporting the cause in a very real way.

Carbon credits are just feel good stuff. If someone is wasting energy
carbon credits may make them feel good but they are still wasting energy.

Its the same sad logic Ford uses when they pitch dolled up 5 ton trucks
for use as personal vehicles and claim they use less gasoline because
they are E85 capable. Overall they still use more fuel than is necessary .

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:33:59 -0400, George
wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...rticle_id=4667
75&in_page_id=1879
The TODAY show had a segment about saving energy and using energy (carbon
imprint" surveys. Lester Holt had an audit of his office. It all seemed to
make sense, but when Lester asked the guy how you could improve, the guy
said "you can donate money to buy carbon offsets". He lost all credibility
when he said that.

That may be because you don't understand what he meant by that remark.
Those donations go to support the construction and operation of solar,
wind, and hydro plants. Basically, AIUI, the money goes to an
"insurance" fund that guarantees that the power generated by "clean"
plants will be purchased, thereby removing the risk from those who build
them. So if you're not reducing your own carbon footprint on an
individual basis, you're still supporting the cause in a very real way.

Carbon credits are just feel good stuff. If someone is wasting energy
carbon credits may make them feel good but they are still wasting energy.

You're absolutely right. Just like if you don't exercise and eat
right you're not accomplishing anything when you give money to a poor
family so they can buy food, or when you give money to pay for medical
research, or to build a hospital or to furnish one room in one.

That's why I never give anyone anything. I know it's just a fraud to
make myself feel good even though I myself don't live the best
possible life. I refuse to be part of such a fraud.

Its the same sad logic Ford uses when they pitch dolled up 5 ton trucks
for use as personal vehicles and claim they use less gasoline because
they are E85 capable. Overall they still use more fuel than is necessary .

Here I agree with you.

"George" wrote in message
. ..

That may be because you don't understand what he meant by that
remark. Those donations go to support the construction and
operation of solar, wind, and hydro plants. Basically, AIUI, the
money goes to an "insurance" fund that guarantees that the power
generated by "clean" plants will be purchased, thereby removing the
risk from those who build them. So if you're not reducing your own
carbon footprint on an individual basis, you're still supporting
the cause in a very real way.

Carbon credits are just feel good stuff. If someone is wasting
energy carbon credits may make them feel good but they are still
wasting energy.

Its the same sad logic Ford uses when they pitch dolled up 5 ton
trucks for use as personal vehicles and claim they use less gasoline
because they are E85 capable. Overall they still use more fuel than
is necessary .

I'd say it's more like the "pollution credits" scam they setup as a
solution to pollution problems Pollutors would just give money to
companies that pollute less, and everything is OK. Right.

Bob

In article ,
George wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

"George" wrote in message

Energy saving is a great idea but Gore and friends are hypocrites who
live
a
piggy lifestyle and then invent stuff like "carbon credits" to justify
their behavior.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=46
67
75&in_page_id=1879
The TODAY show had a segment about saving energy and using energy (carbon
imprint" surveys. Lester Holt had an audit of his office. It all seemed
to
make sense, but when Lester asked the guy how you could improve, the guy
said "you can donate money to buy carbon offsets". He lost all
credibility
when he said that.

That may be because you don't understand what he meant by that remark.
Those donations go to support the construction and operation of solar,
wind, and hydro plants. Basically, AIUI, the money goes to an
"insurance" fund that guarantees that the power generated by "clean"
plants will be purchased, thereby removing the risk from those who build
them. So if you're not reducing your own carbon footprint on an
individual basis, you're still supporting the cause in a very real way.

Carbon credits are just feel good stuff. If someone is wasting energy
carbon credits may make them feel good but they are still wasting energy.


Yes they're still wasting energy, but that doesn't mean carbon credits
don't help solve the pollution problem. It isn't electricity *usage*
that pollutes. It's electricity *generation.* Using less, as in CFLs,
etc., means less gets generated, which reduces pollution. But,
generating electricity in more environmentally friendly ways *also*
reduces pollution. So one person may want to use less energy, another
may want to help fund the transition to cleaner energy sources. In that
light, I think carbon credits are more than just "feel good" stuff.

On Jul 8, 10:52 am, wrote:
By partnering with The Alliance for Climate Protection and the global
Live Earth concerts on July 7th 2007, Philips aims to inspire more
than two billion people to take simple steps, such as changing a light
bulb, to lead a more energy efficient life. I saw the details at

http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/841.htm

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Carbon cedits or not .......................

We humans are using the resources of the planet without recycling
them. And there are way too many of us (humans that is!).

Maybe we will over-breed/over-produce ourselves out of existence?

Whether it is to build/buy our third fourth or fifth mega-mansion, fly
across the world in a jetplane, or just to varnish something ourselves
on a personal work bench, we are using materials that came from
nature.

Nature is finite:

Everything will rot and 'return to nature' eventually.

Perhaps millions of years hence our 'scraps' willl recycle and
reappear as something some living creature could again use?

And maybe a few tens of thousands of years from now some post humans
will be digging up our landfills and atomic waste dumps and saying, in
whatever language or speak then in vogue, "Lord what fools these
mortals were!". With apologies to Shakespeare, Puck, in Midsummer
Night's dream, IIRC?