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Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I
need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) Thanks. Walter |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Walter Cohen wrote:
Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) Thanks. Walter That's the big part. For me I would be sure to hose it off to get any salt off of it and clean it up. I might spray any exposed metal with some WS-40 and store it someplace dry and safe. -- Joseph Meehan Dia 's Muire duit |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
... Walter Cohen wrote: Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) That's the big part. For me I would be sure to hose it off to get any salt off of it and clean it up. I might spray any exposed metal with some WS-40 and store it someplace dry and safe. Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Don Phillipson" wrote in message ... "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message ... Walter Cohen wrote: Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) That's the big part. For me I would be sure to hose it off to get any salt off of it and clean it up. I might spray any exposed metal with some WS-40 and store it someplace dry and safe. Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 6, 2:05 pm, "Walter Cohen" wrote:
Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) Thanks. Walter My local mechanic tells me that it's no good to run the machine dry unless the carb were also emptied. The main risk is from gas turning to gel in the carb which requires repair. He says that gas used to have additives (lead) which made them very stable. Now that those dangerous additives have been removed gasoline has a limited useful life when stored in small quantities. He has instructed me that when storing a machine to add a gasoline stabilizer to whatever gas is left in the machine and then run the machine at least long enough to get treated gas into the carb. The stuff is available everwhere. In his opinion it would not be necessary to run the machine out of gas if this additive is used. It also wastes gas and pollutes the air uneccessarily. He also suggested that I add the stuff to all of the gas I use in my numerous small engines since they are used intermittently. It is not expensive. They are a busy shop and don't want to see me for somthing stupid like a clogged carb. They also suggest dryer sheets in the exhaust pipe to discourage rodents. One more than one occasion mice have made their home inside my mowers. Moth balls have also been mentioned as a rodent repellent. Just don't forget that they are in there! |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ....and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Bob M." wrote in message . .. "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Toller" wrote in message
... What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Every snowblower that I have seen was 4-stroke not 2-stroke. 4-stroke engines have oil in a sump under the crankshaft (and a drain plug below.) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. When the plug is replaced finger tight for winter storage, the spark lead remains disconnected -- so must be reconnected before the magneto can work. In any case, a good startup routine includes cleaning and regapping the plug at the beginning of the season. ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. Small 4-stroke engines make the oil dirtier faster than do automobile engines, i.e. the oil should be replaced once a year. This means (1) draining the oil (from a warm engine) at the end of seasonal use, (2) refilling with clean oil either immediately (for winter storage) or first thing next season (when we also regap the plug or fit a new plug.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 6 May 2007 17:45:06 -0700, Lawrence wrote: I use Sta-Bil in all gas for my many small engines, and That's ALL I do. One ounce for every 2.5 gallons. No draining of carbs, no running them dry. I just took my lawnmower out yesterday after sitting for 6 months. pushed the primer 3 times, pulled the rope once and off I went. I use Sta-Bil in all gas for both 2 and 4 stroke engines. Screw all the "storage instructions". It's all baloney, except possibly using a fogging oil. I do that for some of the bigger motors, but I can't say it really does anything useful. I have 30 year old small engines that have never been fogged and they still run just fine. CWM Same here, I add some stabil and run for a few minutes and the machine is ready for storage with no problems when it comes out of storage. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Since you have a two stroke engine (gas and oil) I would run it dry.
I would recommend first getting all the gas out of the gas tank. From there run it dry. Make sure to use the choke on it when it starts to sputter. Now some motors have a drain screw or plug on the bottom of the carb. You need to get that out too. Annual maint. should be check and clean the plug as well as grease it up. If the unit is fairly new I wouldnt worry yet about the rubber paddles or the auger belt. If you have "never seize" (silver stuff) I would recommend putting it on the threads of the spark plug. Make sure not to overtighten that spark plug! The problem with gas is that when it gets old it starts to gel. Clogs up everything. Now with two cycle gas, the oil in there seperates and basically becomes a nasty black tar. Real pain to get it all out. Many many cans of Gumout to clean out a gas tank and carb. If you have an older snowblower with a steel gas tank I would recommend leaving gas in there to prevent rust from forming inside of it. Stabil works ok. Some like it, others dont. I have used it one on some motors with success. If you do go the stabil route, you should periodically run the engine to make sure its happy. Nothing like a tool failing right when you need it. Tom P.S. On a 4 cycle motor, dont forget to change that motor oil! On May 6, 3:05 pm, "Walter Cohen" wrote: Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) Thanks. Walter |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
"Toller" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote in message . .. "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. Do like they do in the military- use zip ties/baling wire, and big colored tags, to mark any oil sumps and POL tanks that have been drained, so the poor SOB that pulls it out of storage years later has a clue what is going on. Hell, the older I get, the more yellow sticky notes I use to leave reminders to myself. aem sends.... |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 7, 9:17 pm, "aemeijers" wrote:
"Toller" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote in message ... "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. Do like they do in the military- use zip ties/baling wire, and big colored tags, to mark any oil sumps and POL tanks that have been drained, so the poor SOB that pulls it out of storage years later has a clue what is going on. Hell, the older I get, the more yellow sticky notes I use to leave reminders to myself. aem sends....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even better, just change the oil at the end of the season and put in new oil, which is what I do. I don't know of any engine manufacturer that recommends storing an engine with no oil in it. An empty sump is just more air space for condensation to take place. Plus, I don;t see what the preceived advantage to leaving it empty would be. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 9, 8:34 am, wrote:
On May 7, 9:17 pm, "aemeijers" wrote: "Toller" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote in message ... "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. Do like they do in the military- use zip ties/baling wire, and big colored tags, to mark any oil sumps and POL tanks that have been drained, so the poor SOB that pulls it out of storage years later has a clue what is going on. Hell, the older I get, the more yellow sticky notes I use to leave reminders to myself. aem sends....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even better, just change the oil at the end of the season and put in new oil, which is what I do. I don't know of any engine manufacturer that recommends storing an engine with no oil in it. An empty sump is just more air space for condensation to take place. Plus, I don;t see what the preceived advantage to leaving it empty would be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The advantage is that untreated gas can go bad over the winter and clog the tank and the carb requires an inconvenient and possibly expensive repair. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 9, 10:04 am, Lawrence wrote:
On May 9, 8:34 am, wrote: On May 7, 9:17 pm, "aemeijers" wrote: "Toller" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote in message ... "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. Do like they do in the military- use zip ties/baling wire, and big colored tags, to mark any oil sumps and POL tanks that have been drained, so the poor SOB that pulls it out of storage years later has a clue what is going on. Hell, the older I get, the more yellow sticky notes I use to leave reminders to myself. aem sends....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even better, just change the oil at the end of the season and put in new oil, which is what I do. I don't know of any engine manufacturer that recommends storing an engine with no oil in it. An empty sump is just more air space for condensation to take place. Plus, I don;t see what the preceived advantage to leaving it empty would be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The advantage is that untreated gas can go bad over the winter and clog the tank and the carb requires an inconvenient and possibly expensive repair.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My comments were in regard to draining the oil, ie the lubricating oil in the sump, not the gas. The preceeding post should have made that clear, because there was discussion about tagging the engine to make sure it's not started later with no oil in it. Wouldn't need to do that if it's the gas tank. Very few snowblowers are even 2 stroke. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 9, 10:53 am, wrote:
On May 9, 10:04 am, Lawrence wrote: On May 9, 8:34 am, wrote: On May 7, 9:17 pm, "aemeijers" wrote: "Toller" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote in message ... "Berkshire Bill" wrote in message news:463e6b88$0$4642 Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) NO FINGER TIGHT SPARK PLUGS !! I unknowingly started a lawn mower with a finger tight spark plug. When the spark plug left the cylinder head and went through the side of my boot I figured "no problem" it will heal. Two weeks later they amputated my great toe at the first joint. Bill ...and I'd say the same to the suggestion to "drain the oil". Bad idea - you will forget, and it will be expensive when you're reminded by the shrieking sound of bent, busted piston & valves. What is this "oil" you speak of? If he burnt off all the gas, where would there be oil? Sorry about your toe! I wouldn't have expected that to happen; it must have been very loose. Do like they do in the military- use zip ties/baling wire, and big colored tags, to mark any oil sumps and POL tanks that have been drained, so the poor SOB that pulls it out of storage years later has a clue what is going on. Hell, the older I get, the more yellow sticky notes I use to leave reminders to myself. aem sends....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even better, just change the oil at the end of the season and put in new oil, which is what I do. I don't know of any engine manufacturer that recommends storing an engine with no oil in it. An empty sump is just more air space for condensation to take place. Plus, I don;t see what the preceived advantage to leaving it empty would be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The advantage is that untreated gas can go bad over the winter and clog the tank and the carb requires an inconvenient and possibly expensive repair.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My comments were in regard to draining the oil, ie the lubricating oil in the sump, not the gas. The preceeding post should have made that clear, because there was discussion about tagging the engine to make sure it's not started later with no oil in it. Wouldn't need to do that if it's the gas tank. Very few snowblowers are even 2 stroke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - oops my mistake. I admit I have never seen a two-stroke snow-blower either. Right now they are trying to use as little of them as possible. Chain saws and weed whacker are the only two stroke machines I see anymore. A lot of Motercyles and lawm mowers use to be but I don't see them anymore. Outboard motors are still made as a two stroke but I think they are phasing them out. For weight to power ratio the 2-stroke is superior to the 4-stroke but I guess they are worse for the environment and inconvenient for the consumer having to mix the fuel. My chain saw and weed whacker are 2-stroke, love em. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Ok, so then it sounds like I could put a few drops of oil in the plug
opening and pull the starter a few times, then replace the plug. What do you think about me leaving the gas/oil tank filler cap off for a day to evaporate any small amount of gas/oil (oil won't evaporate but the gas will). Thanks, Walter wrote in message ups.com... Since you have a two stroke engine (gas and oil) I would run it dry. I would recommend first getting all the gas out of the gas tank. From there run it dry. Make sure to use the choke on it when it starts to sputter. Now some motors have a drain screw or plug on the bottom of the carb. You need to get that out too. Annual maint. should be check and clean the plug as well as grease it up. If the unit is fairly new I wouldnt worry yet about the rubber paddles or the auger belt. If you have "never seize" (silver stuff) I would recommend putting it on the threads of the spark plug. Make sure not to overtighten that spark plug! The problem with gas is that when it gets old it starts to gel. Clogs up everything. Now with two cycle gas, the oil in there seperates and basically becomes a nasty black tar. Real pain to get it all out. Many many cans of Gumout to clean out a gas tank and carb. If you have an older snowblower with a steel gas tank I would recommend leaving gas in there to prevent rust from forming inside of it. Stabil works ok. Some like it, others dont. I have used it one on some motors with success. If you do go the stabil route, you should periodically run the engine to make sure its happy. Nothing like a tool failing right when you need it. Tom P.S. On a 4 cycle motor, dont forget to change that motor oil! On May 6, 3:05 pm, "Walter Cohen" wrote: Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) Thanks. Walter |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On May 9, 8:00 pm, "Walter Cohen" wrote:
Ok, so then it sounds like I could put a few drops of oil in the plug opening and pull the starter a few times, then replace the plug. What do you think about me leaving the gas/oil tank filler cap off for a day to evaporate any small amount of gas/oil (oil won't evaporate but the gas will). Use Stabil as suggested and forget about the tank and the fuel. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
On 10 May 2007 07:14:08 -0700, Lawrence
wrote: On May 9, 8:00 pm, "Walter Cohen" wrote: Ok, so then it sounds like I could put a few drops of oil in the plug opening and pull the starter a few times, then replace the plug. What do you think about me leaving the gas/oil tank filler cap off for a day to evaporate any small amount of gas/oil (oil won't evaporate but the gas will). Use Stabil as suggested and forget about the tank and the fuel. Go out to your local airport, general aviation, and bring a a couple 2 gal gas cam and purchase 2 gals of 100LL avgas. Drain out your snowblower gas, put it in the car. Then put in about a pint or so of 100LL and run the machine until it's running on the LL, should be about 5 mins or so. DONE It will start as if you didn't store it at all. This same proceedure can be used in all small engines including those using pre mix. With premix make sure it mixes well before use. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Charlie Morgan wrote:
Although avgas is more stable than automotive gasoline, it has many disadvantages, including that it will cause the engine to run lean, which is very hard on the engine. Airplane engines operate with very specific parameters that are not at all the same as small, high reving yard equipment. Regular automotive pump gas with Sta-bil added to it remains stable for longer than avgas, and has none of the disadvantages. CWM I know a few people who discovered that the hard way when valves burned out in their car engines. That was in the days when there was little difference in price between avgas and mogas and they had access to it so they used it in their cars. Also even though it is "low lead" it has considerably more lead than any automotive fuels ever had. I also vote for Stabil and have used it for years. |
Storing a gas snowblower till next winter
Three out of four of Don's suggestions are spot on, and number 3 is
especially important, but: Don't drain the oil from the sump. Next October / November, as you get it ready for the snow season, get it started and run it 10 or so minutes in neutral to get the oil hot. Shut it down, drai the oil and refill with clean new lube oil of whatever grade the mfgr recommends. To get it unning after strage, you'll want to put in a new plug. You may also want to spray a bunch of "Start Fluid" (ether) or carb cleaner into the cylinder while the old plug is out and before puting the new plug in, and pull the engine over once or twice, to clean the oil residue from the cylinder / pistons. Don Phillipson wrote: "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message ... Walter Cohen wrote: Never had a gas powered snow blower until now. How do I store it until I need it next winter? The engine takes a mixture of gas and oil. I already ran it until the engine died for lack of fuel. What else do I need to do (i.e. with the spark plug, etc) That's the big part. For me I would be sure to hose it off to get any salt off of it and clean it up. I might spray any exposed metal with some WS-40 and store it someplace dry and safe. Emptying gas tank and carburettor are primary. I also (2) empty the oil sump; (3) remove spark plug, squirt a few drops of oil in the hole and pull manual starter once (to distribute oil on cylinder walls, and replace the spark plug only finger tight; (4) store under cover from the weather. |
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