We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch?
I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?


Thanks

Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch? I dont
see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never seen any
kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a local or state code in
your area?

"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never
seen any kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a
local or state code in your area?

Dont know about code for this.
Over the counter above the dishwasher is an outlet, a red switch that
controls the outlet the dishwasher is plugged into ( outlet its underneath
the cabinets behind the dishwasher) and a switch for the light above the
sink.
The shut of switch for the boiler/furnace is in the kitchen on another wall
and it also is red.

Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?

I "think" in some places you have to have a red disconnect switch for your
furnace. Maybe someone thought it would be good for a dishwasher disconnect
also?

"Steve" wrote in message
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"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch? I
dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never seen any
kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a local or state code
in your area?

Dont know about code for this.
Over the counter above the dishwasher is an outlet, a red switch that controls the
outlet the dishwasher is plugged into ( outlet its underneath the cabinets behind
the dishwasher) and a switch for the light above the sink.
The shut of switch for the boiler/furnace is in the kitchen on another wall and it
also is red.



Is this by any chance a modular or mobile home? They might have different
requirements.

Again, here where I am (Wisconsin), I have never seen such a shutoff switch for a
dishwasher or a boiler/furnace.

"Steve" wrote in message
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"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch? I
dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never seen any
kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a local or state code
in your area?

Dont know about code for this.
Over the counter above the dishwasher is an outlet, a red switch that controls the
outlet the dishwasher is plugged into ( outlet its underneath the cabinets behind
the dishwasher) and a switch for the light above the sink.
The shut of switch for the boiler/furnace is in the kitchen on another wall and it
also is red.

Steve


I think a call to your local government offices is in order to make sure you comply
with the rules. You are in need of a building permit anyway, aren't you?

"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never
seen any kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a
local or state code in your area?
Chuckle. Previous owner probably worked in an industrial environment, and
had an Unfortunate Experience with a leaky dishwasher at some point. The Big
Red Switch is a nice thing to have, sometimes. I had a washing machine leak
and catch fire on me once, and as I was standing there in bare wet feet, I
recall thinking a cutoff over by the door would be damn handy....

aem sends...

"jim menning" wrote in message
I think a call to your local government offices is in order to make sure
you comply with the rules. You are in need of a building permit anyway,
aren't you?

A permit to swap out some cabinets? Damned if I'd get one. Gutted my
kitchen and re-did it all. Never even thought about getting a permit as
there were no structural changes made.

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"jim menning" wrote in message
I think a call to your local government offices is in order to make sure you
comply with the rules. You are in need of a building permit anyway, aren't you?

A permit to swap out some cabinets? Damned if I'd get one. Gutted my kitchen and
re-did it all. Never even thought about getting a permit as there were no
structural changes made.


Depends on how far they are going with the remodeling, and the community they are in.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:59:50 GMT, "Toller" wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
...
We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?

I "think" in some places you have to have a red disconnect switch for your
furnace. Maybe someone thought it would be good for a dishwasher disconnect
also?


The red switch dates back to the days when oil burners were common
(and before that, coal stokers) although I understand that they are
still used a lot on the East Coast of the US.

Local codes varied, but the general idea was that the red switch
should be placed near the entrance of whatever room the oil burner was
in (usually the basement). If the oil burner was faulty or smoking,
the red switch was easily identified as the emergency power cutoff.
Also, the red color helped minimize confusing the switch for the room
lights.

I've never seen a red separate under-counter switch for dishwasher,
but its possible that local codes required them. I remember that
back in the sixties, when dishwashers were still somewhat of a novel
item, some local codes required a cut-off switch AND a fuseholder, at
the same point.

Presumably, the idea was that when the repairman was poking around the
dishwasher, he could insure that the power was turned off locally and
avoid the unpleasantness of someone accidently putting the fuse back
in at the main panel. (In the case of an apartment, the fusebox might
be located 2 stories away in the basement - and maybe only the janitor
could get into the basement. ) Such was typical of the old practice.


These days, most circuit breaker panels are located inside the
dwelling unit) I'm not sure what the point of having an extra
fuseholder was.

My outside air conditioner compressor has an outside fused cutout and
an interior circuit breaker at the service entrance.

Beachcomber

Again, here where I am (Wisconsin), I have never seen such a shutoff
switch for a
dishwasher or a boiler/furnace.

In older homes in Northern Virginia & DC there was such a "red" switch at
the top of the stairs that would kill power to the furnace controls. The
cover place was also RED with white letering explaining the function. If
you didn't know different you would think the switch controlled the basement
lights. The idea was that if something seems VERY WRONG with the furnace
you would not have to go down into the basement (which often didn't have an
outside entrance) to kill power to the furnace.

I've have seen the switch both with natural gas and fuel oil installations.

Depends on how far they are going with the remodeling, and the community
they are in.
don't you think you pay enough taxes already? you want to throw a couple
hundred more at em for a permit?

"longshot" wrote in message newseEZh.4823$r77.2322@trndny08...


Depends on how far they are going with the remodeling, and the community they are
in.
don't you think you pay enough taxes already? you want to throw a couple hundred
more at em for a permit?


Couple hundred for permits? You must live in an expensive community.

And I like to play by the rules. I don't need the fear of doing the job wrong, and
finding out insurance won't cover the damages caused by illegal wiring, plumbing etc.
Or the consequences that could occur later when trying to sell a home with illegal
work done inside.

Play by the rules, sleep well at night. If you are so bold to think you're too good
to ever make a mistake that a proper inspection could have caught, that's up to you.
I know I'm not God, I've made plenty of mistakes in my lifetime. Maybe that's why
I've learned to be cautious and do things the right way.

"Beachcomber" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:59:50 GMT, "Toller" wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
...
We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?

I "think" in some places you have to have a red disconnect switch for your
furnace. Maybe someone thought it would be good for a dishwasher
disconnect
also?


The red switch dates back to the days when oil burners were common
(and before that, coal stokers) although I understand that they are
still used a lot on the East Coast of the US.

Local codes varied, but the general idea was that the red switch
should be placed near the entrance of whatever room the oil burner was
in (usually the basement). If the oil burner was faulty or smoking,
the red switch was easily identified as the emergency power cutoff.
Also, the red color helped minimize confusing the switch for the room
lights.

I've never seen a red separate under-counter switch for dishwasher,
but its possible that local codes required them. I remember that
back in the sixties, when dishwashers were still somewhat of a novel
item, some local codes required a cut-off switch AND a fuseholder, at
the same point.

Presumably, the idea was that when the repairman was poking around the
dishwasher, he could insure that the power was turned off locally and
avoid the unpleasantness of someone accidently putting the fuse back
in at the main panel. (In the case of an apartment, the fusebox might
be located 2 stories away in the basement - and maybe only the janitor
could get into the basement. ) Such was typical of the old practice.


These days, most circuit breaker panels are located inside the
dwelling unit) I'm not sure what the point of having an extra
fuseholder was.

My outside air conditioner compressor has an outside fused cutout and
an interior circuit breaker at the service entrance.

Beachcomber

its code in the chicago area to have a way to turn off power to the dish
washer locally.A friends mom in a burb by chicago could not sell her home
till it was up to code including putting a switch in the cab.next to the
dish waser.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:54:04 -0400, "Steve"
wrote:

We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch?
I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?


Thanks

Steve


That means it's dangerous. DO NOT touch the switch or the
dishwasher........

Steve wrote:

"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
...

We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp
switch? I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?




Not only have I never seen a red switch used for this purpose, I've never
seen any kitchen mounted disconnect switch for a dishwasher. Is it a
local or state code in your area?


Dont know about code for this.
Over the counter above the dishwasher is an outlet, a red switch that
controls the outlet the dishwasher is plugged into ( outlet its underneath
the cabinets behind the dishwasher) and a switch for the light above the
sink.
The shut of switch for the boiler/furnace is in the kitchen on another wall
and it also is red.

Steve


Somehow i THINK THAT SWITCH A ND THE OUTLET UNDER THE CABS WHICH
ITCONTROLS WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR A GARBAGE DISPOSER.

A switch above the counter is NOT normal for the dishwasher.

Now depending if you like electric code what you are suppose to have
is the following...

Electric plugs for the dishwasher are NOT suppose to be behind
the appliance itself. Mainly if you have to work on it or shut
it down for whatever reason you should be able to unplug it first
before
removing it.

Now one of the only reasons to have a switch by where the
dishwasher is located is because you have to have some sort of
disconnect
from the electric service. (this is if the appliance is hardwired
into an junction box)
The switch would be located where the appliance is connected to the
service. (under the counter)

In your case IF they had to run power behind the dishwasher (no other
possible place)
to make things more legit they would have to have the disconnect more
accessible.
Most likely where they placed it now.

Normally the electric for the dishwasher etc would be located under
the sink.

Its also possible that they removed a garbage disposal or something
there if the past and just
decided to use the electric for that for the dishwasher.

Tom

P.S. Yep my house has the cutoff for the furnace right by the
basement enterance.
Its also mandatory to have a cutoff by the furnace itself. I didnt
like the idea that the guys
who installed my new furnace used Romex to connect it to the
service. I guess
they dont know too much about code and what to use in the right place.
In any case I replaced that line with BX (armoured) cable and all is
good.



On Apr 30, 5:54 pm, "Steve" wrote:
We're remodeling the kitchen and I am going to replace the outlets and
switches.
Is the switch that turns off power to the dishwasher a normal 15 amp switch?
I dont see any for sale that are red.
Whats the reason for it being red?

Thanks

Steve