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mastering the fine art of haggling
I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He
gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. |
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Eigenvector wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. If the guy's a good friend, let him lead. Start with a small job. R |
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On Mar 23, 10:33�pm, "RicodJour" wrote:
Eigenvector wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for.. *He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. *(I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. *I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. *Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. *For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. *You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. If the guy's a good friend, let him lead. *Start with a small job. R- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - have him look and give you price, small job first pay him cash and be nice. can save tons of bucks and get good job too |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 23, 10:33?pm, "RicodJour" wrote: Eigenvector wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. If the guy's a good friend, let him lead. Start with a small job. R- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - have him look and give you price, small job first pay him cash and be nice. can save tons of bucks and get good job too it is always better to work for free for a friend or family. this way no one is insulted and you still end up friends in the end. or as "hallerb" said pay him what he estimates...do not make an insulting offer. or maybe barter for some work. |
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On Mar 24, 5:28 am, "3G" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 23, 10:33?pm, "RicodJour" wrote: Eigenvector wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. If the guy's a good friend, let him lead. Start with a small job. R- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - have him look and give you price, small job first pay him cash and be nice. can save tons of bucks and get good job too it is always better to work for free for a friend or family. this way no one is insulted and you still end up friends in the end. or as "hallerb" said pay him what he estimates...do not make an insulting offer. or maybe barter for some work.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If your idea is he normally charges $100 an hour and because you know him he's going to give you a great deal of $70 an hour, you must have $ $$ to burn, as those rates seem over the top to me here in NJ for someone that paints and installs ceilings. If you want to engage him, I would expect him to come over, give a price for the job, not by the hour and write a contract, just like any contractor would. As suggested, I'd start with something small. If it's a larger job, then surely get multiple estimates to compare him against. |
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Is this legal? If not, then forget it. On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:24:40 -0800, "Eigenvector" wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb. |
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On Mar 24, 9:12 am, Deke wrote:
Is this legal? If not, then forget it. What exactly makes you think it may not be legal? On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:24:40 -0800, "Eigenvector" wrote: I have a good friend at work who's a GC for the company that I work for. He gets hired to build walls, paint, install ceilings, that sort of thing. He's as good as any GC I've had to work with. (I just escort them and make sure they don't run off with company secrets). Anyway he approached me and said that if I needed to have some work done he'd be willing to work out a price for small jobs on the side. I'm willing, but I get the impression the conversation's gonna go like this "So, I'm wondering if you could help me replace a damaged support post in my crawlspace" "Sure, what do you think it's worth to you?" "Uhh uhhh I uhhhh, ummmmm fumbling around because I don't have a clue what these guys make on the sly 500 bucks???" "Yeah sure whatever asshole. Call me back when you're serious." I know what he makes, I know what the materials cost, but for on the sly jobs he isn't making union wages (or is he?). So I'm wondering if it should go like this He makes 100 bucks an hour (roughly) so maybe go for 70 bucks an hour for the job and estimate 2 hours to do the work - call it 300 bucks and start from there. For someone who doesn't do it for a living you're really at a disadvantage when working with these guys because you really don't know how much this stuff costs. You either end up ending a good relationship or getting fleeced like a lamb.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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