Gerry Atrick wrote:
Is there anything made that will just shut off the water supply to the
toilet after a flush? I got one of these toilets with the flapper and
the flapper seat is on an angle, so I cant replace it with the old
fashioned stopper and rod, which was always a better seal. I have
replaced that flapper at least 5 times in the past year and the last
time I got an expensive one. No matter what, it leaks, so my pump has
to run every 15 minutes and worse yet it caused the overflow pipe to
freeze solid on my sewer 3 times this winter so far. When I can
afford it, a new toilet is going to be installed. I know I can remove
the tank and change the whole asselbly, but this water saver toilet
has always been a poor flusher anyhow and needs plunging after almost
every use even after I have removed it and snaked it. It's just a
lousy toilet no matter what. So, for now I have to shut off the
supply valve after each use, and the tank is always emptied in a few
minutes after. Instead of a new toilet, I plan to find a good used
one that is not a water saver.

Anyhow, I was thinking of some sort of electrically operated valve
that could be switched off as soon I am done flushing. Possibly even
connected to the flush handle so as soon as the handle pops back up,
the valve shuts off.

I dont think anything is made for that exact purpose, but maybe some
sort of solenoid operated valve is available and could be put to use.
Even with a new toilet, they all leak at least a little, so having a
valve like this would save my pump and electric bill. I think they
make electrically operated valves for gas, and possibly for radiators.
Who knows what else I might be able to salvage one from????

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks



Maintaining toilets is hardly rocket surgery, Gerry.

Have you paid attention to the following two things:

1. Checked the surface of the flapper seat for defects, like "wire draw"
grooves or significant corrosion? It could be a bad seat and not the
flapper which is causing the leakage you're experiencing. There are
replacement seats available which epoxy onto the existing seat.

2. Are you using a flap valve from the manufacturer of your toilet or
just a generic replacement. On some toilets there can be a world of
difference between them.

Jeff

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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Jan 25, 12:40 pm, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Gerry Atrick wrote:
Is there anything made that will just shut off the water supply to the
toilet after a flush? I got one of these toilets with the flapper and
the flapper seat is on an angle, so I cant replace it with the old
fashioned stopper and rod, which was always a better seal. I have
replaced that flapper at least 5 times in the past year and the last
time I got an expensive one. No matter what, it leaks, so my pump has
to run every 15 minutes and worse yet it caused the overflow pipe to
freeze solid on my sewer 3 times this winter so far. When I can
afford it, a new toilet is going to be installed. I know I can remove
the tank and change the whole asselbly, but this water saver toilet
has always been a poor flusher anyhow and needs plunging after almost
every use even after I have removed it and snaked it. It's just a
lousy toilet no matter what. So, for now I have to shut off the
supply valve after each use, and the tank is always emptied in a few
minutes after. Instead of a new toilet, I plan to find a good used
one that is not a water saver.

Anyhow, I was thinking of some sort of electrically operated valve
that could be switched off as soon I am done flushing. Possibly even
connected to the flush handle so as soon as the handle pops back up,
the valve shuts off.

I dont think anything is made for that exact purpose, but maybe some
sort of solenoid operated valve is available and could be put to use.
Even with a new toilet, they all leak at least a little, so having a
valve like this would save my pump and electric bill. I think they
make electrically operated valves for gas, and possibly for radiators.
Who knows what else I might be able to salvage one from????

Anyone have any ideas?

ThanksMaintaining toilets is hardly rocket surgery, Gerry.

Have you paid attention to the following two things:

1. Checked the surface of the flapper seat for defects, like "wire draw"
grooves or significant corrosion? It could be a bad seat and not the
flapper which is causing the leakage you're experiencing. There are
replacement seats available which epoxy onto the existing seat.

2. Are you using a flap valve from the manufacturer of your toilet or
just a generic replacement. On some toilets there can be a world of
difference between them.

Jeff



And if you want to replace the toilet with a used one anyway, why not
just do it now? That sounds a lot easier and safer than trying to rig
up plumbing to an electric water valve.

On Jan 25, 1:10 pm, wrote:
And if you want to replace the toilet with a used one anyway, why not
just do it now? That sounds a lot easier and safer than trying to rig
up plumbing to an electric water valve.

Yes, you're going to find out that an electric water valve will be as
expensive or more likely, MORE expensive than any used toilet.

Cripes a mighty, I've got a toilet that I'll gladly GIVE you to get it
out of my house! It's a 1.6 gal/flush unit, but at least it doesn't
leak and uses standard parts.

On Jan 25, 5:05 pm, Gerry Atrick wrote:
On 25 Jan 2007 10:10:51 -0800, wrote:







On Jan 25, 12:40 pm, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Gerry Atrick wrote:
Is there anything made that will just shut off the water supply to the
toilet after a flush? I got one of these toilets with the flapper and
the flapper seat is on an angle, so I cant replace it with the old
fashioned stopper and rod, which was always a better seal. I have
replaced that flapper at least 5 times in the past year and the last
time I got an expensive one. No matter what, it leaks, so my pump has
to run every 15 minutes and worse yet it caused the overflow pipe to
freeze solid on my sewer 3 times this winter so far. When I can
afford it, a new toilet is going to be installed. I know I can remove
the tank and change the whole asselbly, but this water saver toilet
has always been a poor flusher anyhow and needs plunging after almost
every use even after I have removed it and snaked it. It's just a
lousy toilet no matter what. So, for now I have to shut off the
supply valve after each use, and the tank is always emptied in a few
minutes after. Instead of a new toilet, I plan to find a good used
one that is not a water saver.

Anyhow, I was thinking of some sort of electrically operated valve
that could be switched off as soon I am done flushing. Possibly even
connected to the flush handle so as soon as the handle pops back up,
the valve shuts off.

I dont think anything is made for that exact purpose, but maybe some
sort of solenoid operated valve is available and could be put to use.
Even with a new toilet, they all leak at least a little, so having a
valve like this would save my pump and electric bill. I think they
make electrically operated valves for gas, and possibly for radiators.
Who knows what else I might be able to salvage one from????

Anyone have any ideas?

ThanksMaintaining toilets is hardly rocket surgery, Gerry.

Have you paid attention to the following two things:

1. Checked the surface of the flapper seat for defects, like "wire draw"
grooves or significant corrosion? It could be a bad seat and not the
flapper which is causing the leakage you're experiencing. There are
replacement seats available which epoxy onto the existing seat.

2. Are you using a flap valve from the manufacturer of your toilet or
just a generic replacement. On some toilets there can be a world of
difference between them.

Jeff

And if you want to replace the toilet with a used one anyway, why not
just do it now? That sounds a lot easier and safer than trying to rig
up plumbing to an electric water valve.I would if I knew where to get one. In spring we have lots of auctions
and such and I will probably find one there. Until then, I dont have
any place to get a used one. I'd like to permanently put an
electrical valve in there to prevent ALL dripping from any toilet.
They all leak at least a little. Those flappers are never 100% drip
proof.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -


I guess that means you still think a solenoid valve, sensing or timed
switch and God knows what else this would take is 100% reliable and
cost effective? Plus, if the flapper leaks, the toilet tank is going
to be empty. After taking a whiz, are you supposed to then push a
button and wait for it to fill?

wrote:


On Jan 25, 5:05 pm, Gerry Atrick wrote:

On 25 Jan 2007 10:10:51 -0800, wrote:








On Jan 25, 12:40 pm, Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Gerry Atrick wrote:

Is there anything made that will just shut off the water supply to the
toilet after a flush? I got one of these toilets with the flapper and
the flapper seat is on an angle, so I cant replace it with the old
fashioned stopper and rod, which was always a better seal. I have
replaced that flapper at least 5 times in the past year and the last
time I got an expensive one. No matter what, it leaks, so my pump has
to run every 15 minutes and worse yet it caused the overflow pipe to
freeze solid on my sewer 3 times this winter so far. When I can
afford it, a new toilet is going to be installed. I know I can remove
the tank and change the whole asselbly, but this water saver toilet
has always been a poor flusher anyhow and needs plunging after almost
every use even after I have removed it and snaked it. It's just a
lousy toilet no matter what. So, for now I have to shut off the
supply valve after each use, and the tank is always emptied in a few
minutes after. Instead of a new toilet, I plan to find a good used
one that is not a water saver.

Anyhow, I was thinking of some sort of electrically operated valve
that could be switched off as soon I am done flushing. Possibly even
connected to the flush handle so as soon as the handle pops back up,
the valve shuts off.

I dont think anything is made for that exact purpose, but maybe some
sort of solenoid operated valve is available and could be put to use.
Even with a new toilet, they all leak at least a little, so having a
valve like this would save my pump and electric bill. I think they
make electrically operated valves for gas, and possibly for radiators.
Who knows what else I might be able to salvage one from????

Anyone have any ideas?

ThanksMaintaining toilets is hardly rocket surgery, Gerry.

Have you paid attention to the following two things:

1. Checked the surface of the flapper seat for defects, like "wire draw"
grooves or significant corrosion? It could be a bad seat and not the
flapper which is causing the leakage you're experiencing. There are
replacement seats available which epoxy onto the existing seat.

2. Are you using a flap valve from the manufacturer of your toilet or
just a generic replacement. On some toilets there can be a world of
difference between them.

Jeff

And if you want to replace the toilet with a used one anyway, why not
just do it now? That sounds a lot easier and safer than trying to rig
up plumbing to an electric water valve.I would if I knew where to get one. In spring we have lots of auctions

and such and I will probably find one there. Until then, I dont have
any place to get a used one. I'd like to permanently put an
electrical valve in there to prevent ALL dripping from any toilet.
They all leak at least a little. Those flappers are never 100% drip
proof.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -



I guess that means you still think a solenoid valve, sensing or timed
switch and God knows what else this would take is 100% reliable and
cost effective? Plus, if the flapper leaks, the toilet tank is going
to be empty. After taking a whiz, are you supposed to then push a
button and wait for it to fill?

No, but maybe he's going to keep the bathtub filled with a bucket nearby.

Is anyone besides me starting to think the OP was trolling? G

Jeff

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

In article , Gerry Atrick wrote:

My tank is empty now, since I have to shut off the valve each time. I
turn it on when I am on the toilet, flush when I finish, and turn it
off again. It's a pain to reach way down there each time. If I dont
go with the solenoid, I may just extend the pipe and valve above the
tank so it's easier to reach, and will use one of those quarter turn
lever valves rather than one I got to turn 3 or 4 turns.

Wouldn't it be easier to just fix the toilet?


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