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House wiring question.
I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in
the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
I usually wrap the two grounds together and then attach one of the
ground wires to the screw, cutting the other one a little shorter. (I am NOT an electrician) |
House wiring question.
Ook wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? Take a look at the diagram at: http://img.timeinc.net/toh/images/el...outlets01t.jpg In other words, connect the ground wire with a pig tail to the screw on top of the outlet. I wouldn't use the same screw. Home Depot, actually has some pre-made pig tails, but using those only make sense if you are going to do a lot of them. |
House wiring question.
Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous
mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
wrote in message ps.com... I usually wrap the two grounds together and then attach one of the ground wires to the screw, cutting the other one a little shorter. I don't trust just wrapping two grounds together. If it's "new work" I use one of those wirenuts with a hole in the end and leave the longer of the two ground wires uncut. Slip the wirenut over the long wire and slide it down to where the second ground can be laid alongside. Twist both wires together. If the ground wires have already been but short, you just add a third through the hole. I picked up some "pigtail" wirenuts (12 each in white, black, red, and green) and they are useful when you have only a single device. (I am NOT an electrician) |
House wiring question.
I have the hot/neutral stuff down :). I've probably forgotten more about
electricity then most electricians will ever know. However, having said that, I know squat about building codes. I decided to run a short wire from the ground screw of the receptacle and use a wirenut to bind that to the two ground wires running through the box. I gather that doing it that way meets code, and it will probably work almost as well though I'll be the first to admit I don't like using wire nuts, even if it is the time honored way to wire houses. I've seen too many get hot because the connection wasn't as good as it should/could have been. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary KW4Z" Newsgroups: alt.home.repair Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: House wiring question. Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? "Gary KW4Z" wrote in message ... Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
Ook wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? Take a look at the diagram at: http://img.timeinc.net/toh/images/el...outlets01t.jpg In other words, connect the ground wire with a pig tail to the screw on top of the outlet. I wouldn't use the same screw. Home Depot, actually has some pre-made pig tails, but using those only make sense if you are going to do a lot of them. This is how I ended up doing it. I wasn't sure if code allowed two wires to be attached to one screw or not, so I redid it like the picture shows. |
House wiring question.
"Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I have the hot/neutral stuff down :). I've probably forgotten more about electricity then most electricians will ever know. However, having said that, I know squat about building codes. I decided to run a short wire from the ground screw of the receptacle and use a wirenut to bind that to the two ground wires running through the box. I gather that doing it that way meets code, and it will probably work almost as well though I'll be the first to admit I don't like using wire nuts, even if it is the time honored way to wire houses. I've seen too many get hot because the connection wasn't as good as it should/could have been. Twist the wires together tightly with pliers and then twist on the wire connector. You won't have a heat problem that way. Too often inexperienced DIYers will just insert the wires into the wire connector and twist it on. I think that the Scotchloks are the only brand that are approved for non-twisted mechanical connection. Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? "Gary KW4Z" wrote in message ... Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
Twist the two ground wires together tightly with a pair of square nosed
pliers, then cut one off. Put the other on the outlet. -- Steve Barker "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
Twisting the grounds together is perfectly acceptable and works fine.
-- Steve Barker "John Gilmer" wrote in message ... wrote in message ps.com... I usually wrap the two grounds together and then attach one of the ground wires to the screw, cutting the other one a little shorter. I don't trust just wrapping two grounds together. If it's "new work" I use one of those wirenuts with a hole in the end and leave the longer of the two ground wires uncut. Slip the wirenut over the long wire and slide it down to where the second ground can be laid alongside. Twist both wires together. If the ground wires have already been but short, you just add a third through the hole. I picked up some "pigtail" wirenuts (12 each in white, black, red, and green) and they are useful when you have only a single device. (I am NOT an electrician) |
House wiring question.
It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals.
Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. -- Steve Barker "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I have the hot/neutral stuff down :). I've probably forgotten more about electricity then most electricians will ever know. However, having said that, I know squat about building codes. I decided to run a short wire from the ground screw of the receptacle and use a wirenut to bind that to the two ground wires running through the box. I gather that doing it that way meets code, and it will probably work almost as well though I'll be the first to admit I don't like using wire nuts, even if it is the time honored way to wire houses. I've seen too many get hot because the connection wasn't as good as it should/could have been. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary KW4Z" Newsgroups: alt.home.repair Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: House wiring question. Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? "Gary KW4Z" wrote in message ... Depending on who you ask the important thing is secure a good continuous mechanical connection through the circuit. Being in the garage check to see because some codes require a GFCI circuit in the garage area. You can wrap take a bare copper (ground) wire and run to the ground connection, of the outlet, then secure it to the remaining wire runs with a lug nut or most just pull enough wire out of the outlet and loop the connections or cut it and make your splices there. The important thing, again, is maintaining the integrity of the ground through your outlets. Make sure that your HOT (Black) wire goes into the proper position on the receptacle and maintain that throughout each outlet or you risk electrocution. Each outlet has a HOT side and a Neutral side but sounds like you already have that down. On 12/23/06 8:50 PM, in article , "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote: I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
On 23 Dec 2006 18:08:41 -0800, wrote:
I usually wrap the two grounds together and then attach one of the ground wires to the screw, cutting the other one a little shorter. (I am NOT an electrician) IMHO: If you toss on a "greenie" on what you did, it would sound ok. "Greenies" are green wire nuts with a hole in it to allow a single wire to pass through. later, tom @ www.MedJobSite.com |
House wiring question.
"Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? Around here grounds are required to be crimped. I crimp them and put the longer one on the outlet. |
House wiring question.
John Grabowski wrote: Twist the wires together tightly with pliers and then twist on the wire connector. You won't have a heat problem that way. Too often inexperienced DIYers will just insert the wires into the wire connector and twist it on. I think that the Scotchloks are the only brand that are approved for non-twisted mechanical connection. Ye Gads! I guess you learn something every day. I'm not an electrician and I've always just worked on my own house, but I've never twisted the wires first. However, I have always made sure that the wires are securely fastened in the connector. The good news is that 20-years later, I haven't had any problems. The bad news is that you've given me yet another thing to worry about, but thanks anyway. |
House wiring question.
Steve Barker LT wrote:
It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals. Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. Which is a nuisance, but easily diagnosed and fixed. Losing your safety ground is a potentially serious problem. Chris |
House wiring question.
Toller wrote: "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? Around here grounds are required to be crimped. I crimp them and put the longer one on the outlet. That's what I use too. They have the little metal crimp widgets that look like a small barrel. I leave one ground a lot longer, twist them all together, slide the crimp barrel thing over them and crimp. |
House wiring question.
You can't put them on the same screw, you can attach both wires to the box,
then use a self grounding outlet, or you can splice the two wires together, using an approved method, then attach one to the receptacle. You can not just twist the two wires together, cut one short and attach it to the outlet, some mechanical means must be used to maintain continuity between the ground wires "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message ... I'm wiring up some outlets in my garage. I have a receptacle, wire going in the box, wire coming out and going to the next box. The receptacle is a standard receptacls, and has two screws for the neutral wire, two screws for the hot wire, but only one screw for the ground wire. I hook the hot and neutral wires to the respective screws, works fine.What is the correct way to wire up the ground wire? Can I put both of them on the same screw? It seems to be secure, but it is it the correct way to do this? |
House wiring question.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:12:15 -0500, wrote:
On 23 Dec 2006 20:58:50 -0800, wrote: I think that the Scotchloks are the only brand that are approved for non-twisted mechanical connection. Ye Gads! I guess you learn something every day. I'm not an electrician and I've always just worked on my own house, but I've never twisted the wires first. However, I have always made sure that the wires are securely fastened in the connector. The good news is that 20-years later, I haven't had any problems. The bad news is that you've given me yet another thing to worry about, but thanks anyway. I would suggest you read the box before you believe this. All major brands say twisting is NOT necessary. Because it is not necessary does not mean it is not better. Twisting them is better. |
House wiring question.
Terry wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:12:15 -0500, wrote: On 23 Dec 2006 20:58:50 -0800, wrote: I think that the Scotchloks are the only brand that are approved for non-twisted mechanical connection. Ye Gads! I guess you learn something every day. I'm not an electrician and I've always just worked on my own house, but I've never twisted the wires first. However, I have always made sure that the wires are securely fastened in the connector. The good news is that 20-years later, I haven't had any problems. The bad news is that you've given me yet another thing to worry about, but thanks anyway. I would suggest you read the box before you believe this. All major brands say twisting is NOT necessary. Just happen to have a few boxes nearby: Gee, I thought Leviton and CH were major brands; both of the boxes say the wires need to end up twisted and even show pictures. Someone's BS ing here; wonder if it's me or you? g I'm sure those guys will be disappointed to see that they're not major brands, poor guys. What you guys are missing is exactly WHEN the twisting occurs! Pop` |
House wiring question.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:45:02 -0500, Terry
wrote: On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:12:15 -0500, wrote: On 23 Dec 2006 20:58:50 -0800, wrote: I think that the Scotchloks are the only brand that are approved for non-twisted mechanical connection. Ye Gads! I guess you learn something every day. I'm not an electrician and I've always just worked on my own house, but I've never twisted the wires first. However, I have always made sure that the wires are securely fastened in the connector. The good news is that 20-years later, I haven't had any problems. The bad news is that you've given me yet another thing to worry about, but thanks anyway. I would suggest you read the box before you believe this. All major brands say twisting is NOT necessary. Because it is not necessary does not mean it is not better. Twisting them is better. For some reason, people usually leave that bit out. They seem to consider "you don't have to" to mean "DON'T". Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." -- George Washington |
House wiring question.
Steve Barker LT wrote: It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals. Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. I think the regulations restrict the number of "devices" in a box, but I don't know if wire nuts are considered to be a "device". |
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House wiring question.
Terry wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 10:39:16 -0800, wrote: Steve Barker LT wrote: It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals. Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. I think the regulations restrict the number of "devices" in a box, but I don't know if wire nuts are considered to be a "device". You are talking about number of conductors. No? Wire nuts don't count. It is based on the volume of the box. But they do take up space. "Spec Grade" receptacles with the screw-tightened back wire ports are your friends. going off on a tangent, does anyone make "spec grade" Decora style receps in the 15A flavor? Only ones I've seen are 20A, which is nice for the kitchen, laundry, etc. but that doesn't help elsewhere... Left to my own devices (heh) I would have just bought spec grade regular stuff in plain old ivory, but the home decor dept. has mandated white Decora devices. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
Terry wrote: On 27 Dec 2006 10:39:16 -0800, wrote: Steve Barker LT wrote: It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals. Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. I think the regulations restrict the number of "devices" in a box, but I don't know if wire nuts are considered to be a "device". You are talking about number of conductors. No? Wire nuts don't count. It is based on the volume of the box. But they do take up space. "Spec Grade" receptacles with the screw-tightened back wire ports are your friends. going off on a tangent, does anyone make "spec grade" Decora style receps in the 15A flavor? Only ones I've seen are 20A, which is nice for the kitchen, laundry, etc. but that doesn't help elsewhere... Left to my own devices (heh) I would have just bought spec grade regular stuff in plain old ivory, but the home decor dept. has mandated white Decora devices. nate You can get the specification grade Decora devices at an electrical supply house. Call and ask if they stock Leviton Catalog #: 16252-W. -- Tom Horne "This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous for general use." Thomas Alva Edison |
House wiring question.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:02:32 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote: Terry wrote: On 27 Dec 2006 10:39:16 -0800, wrote: Steve Barker LT wrote: It actually would have been more important to pigtail the hots and neutrals. Putting one on each screw creates a situation where if one connection goes bad, then you lose all your downstream current. I think the regulations restrict the number of "devices" in a box, but I don't know if wire nuts are considered to be a "device". You are talking about number of conductors. No? Wire nuts don't count. It is based on the volume of the box. But they do take up space. "Spec Grade" receptacles with the screw-tightened back wire ports are your friends. going off on a tangent, does anyone make "spec grade" Decora style receps in the 15A flavor? Only ones I've seen are 20A, which is nice for the kitchen, laundry, etc. but that doesn't help elsewhere... Left to my own devices (heh) I would have just bought spec grade regular stuff in plain old ivory, but the home decor dept. has mandated white Decora devices. nate I prefer white. That "ivory" appears perpetually dirty, since that's the color of dirt. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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