Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
Hi,
So now you know equvalent of 1 deg. F in Celcius?
Your thermostat has something called anticipator and more advanced
digital ones have temperature band(how accurately it'll control
temperature).

"Terry" wrote in message
...
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

I've had three different brands of electronic thermostats. As far as I can
tell, they are settable in rather small increments that don't map directly
to Fahrenheit or Celsius degrees. That means that for many Fahrenheit
settings and probably all Celsius settings, you can bump it either up or
down without changing the displayed temperature setting. There have been
lots of times when I've found that "high 20" was just right while "low 20"
was too cold.

As for the Fahrenheit scale, the one thing that seems "natural" about it is
that zero is DAMN cold and 100 is DAMN hot - but they are still within the
range of temperatures people can experience in the Real World. Zero Celsius
doesn't really seem to cross any threshold of extremeness, and 100 Celsius
is outside the range of temperatures you'll see on any weather report.

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 02:04:47 -0500, "Nick Danger"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
.. .
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

I've had three different brands of electronic thermostats. As far as I can
tell, they are settable in rather small increments that don't map directly
to Fahrenheit or Celsius degrees. That means that for many Fahrenheit
settings and probably all Celsius settings, you can bump it either up or
down without changing the displayed temperature setting. There have been
lots of times when I've found that "high 20" was just right while "low 20"
was too cold.

As for the Fahrenheit scale, the one thing that seems "natural" about it is
that zero is DAMN cold and 100 is DAMN hot - but they are still within the
range of temperatures people can experience in the Real World. Zero Celsius
doesn't really seem to cross any threshold of extremeness, and 100 Celsius
is outside the range of temperatures you'll see on any weather report.


I think that 100 Fahrenheit was intended to be human body temperate
re, they just missed a little. The 0 point may have some connection
with freezing to death (DAMN cold).

Temperature is one of the few commonly-measured things in which, (in
either Celsius or Fahrenheit) 0 represents an artificial point rather
than the complete lack of the thing being measured.
--
47 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:08:14 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 02:04:47 -0500, "Nick Danger"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
. ..
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

I've had three different brands of electronic thermostats. As far as I can
tell, they are settable in rather small increments that don't map directly
to Fahrenheit or Celsius degrees. That means that for many Fahrenheit
settings and probably all Celsius settings, you can bump it either up or
down without changing the displayed temperature setting. There have been
lots of times when I've found that "high 20" was just right while "low 20"
was too cold.

As for the Fahrenheit scale, the one thing that seems "natural" about it is
that zero is DAMN cold and 100 is DAMN hot - but they are still within the
range of temperatures people can experience in the Real World. Zero Celsius
doesn't really seem to cross any threshold of extremeness, and 100 Celsius
is outside the range of temperatures you'll see on any weather report.


I think that 100 Fahrenheit was intended to be human body temperate
re, they just missed a little. The 0 point may have some connection
with freezing to death (DAMN cold).


My understanding is that 0 F was just the lowest temperature
that Farenheit could reliably generate.

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.


I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

I also found this at the roulette wheel of knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!

mm wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!

I would have to turn mine up. I have a programmed thermostat.
The highest temperature programmed is the evening at 68F. During
the day it is 64 and at night it is 60.

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.
--
47 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting
at my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does
not cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.

Actually mine is at 65º right now. That is my usual daytime
temperature. At night it goes to 62º In the evening I go up to 67º and in
the morning right before we get up, I have it go to 69º

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

In article ,
says...
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting
at my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does
not cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.

Actually mine is at 65º right now. That is my usual daytime
temperature. At night it goes to 62º In the evening I go up to 67º and in
the morning right before we get up, I have it go to 69º

Mine is set to 64F now (morning), 59F at night, and 67F in the
evening. If we're cold, it gets cranked up but we usually don't.
Sweaters and sweats are the norm. The cats have coats on. ;-)

BTW, our frost line can go down beyond 7' (broken mains down that
far).

--
Keith

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:41:51 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting
at my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does
not cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.

Actually mine is at 65º right now. That is my usual daytime
temperature. At night it goes to 62º In the evening I go up to 67º and in
the morning right before we get up, I have it go to 69º

Maybe that thermostat was off, and it was actually 55 that was too
cold.
--
46 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

In article ,
says...
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting
at my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does
not cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.

Actually mine is at 65º right now. That is my usual daytime
temperature. At night it goes to 62º In the evening I go up to 67º and in
the morning right before we get up, I have it go to 69º



From 5:30AM to 8:30AM mine goes to 67F, then 62F until 4:30PM back to
67F until 11:45PM and then to 62F.

In article ,
lid says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.


For some reason, it was elected to keep the operations center (computer
room) at my office at 65F. It is very cool in there.

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:40:53 -0500, T
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:05:23 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!


But NEVER 65. That's too cold. I've been through that with my parents.


For some reason, it was elected to keep the operations center (computer
room) at my office at 65F. It is very cool in there.

I've been in some places, like computer rooms, which were kept like
that. Also the generator room at Glen Canyon Dam was kept at 50F.
Interestingly, I didn't find it that cold. That house (where 65F was
too cold) may have had too many leaks.
--
44 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

In article , NOPSAMmm2005
@bigfoot.com says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!




Or 67!

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:40:03 -0500, T
wrote:

In article , NOPSAMmm2005
says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!




Or 67!

Hell, my wife's got the a/c on 70 and I'm wearing a sweater. G

GWB wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:40:03 -0500, T
wrote:

In article , NOPSAMmm2005
says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!




Or 67!

Hell, my wife's got the a/c on 70 and I'm wearing a sweater. G

And mine will complain it is too warm at 68 in the summer and too cold
at 68 in the winter. Go figure.

Harry K

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:12:51 -0600, GWB wrote:

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:40:03 -0500, T
wrote:

In article , NOPSAMmm2005
says...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

Put it at 69º and buy a sweater with the savings.

Or 68!




Or 67!

Hell, my wife's got the a/c on 70 and I'm wearing a sweater. G

I feel best when the A/C thermostat is set to 76F (when using cooling,
with heating I usually like it around 70F).

My mother wore sweaters to work, even when it was over 100 degrees
outside. I wear one about 10 days every year (I'm at about the same
latitude).
--
44 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.


Three things to consider :

First, if the thermostat is behind the computer, then there is a good
chance the hot air from the computer fan and/or monitor are affecting
the thermostat, at least when they are on. Since the thermostat will be
warmed by this, it will seem cooler elsewhere. When the computer is
off, the thermostat will be more accurate.

Second, most, if not all, thermostats allow the temperature to
fluctuate in a range centered on the desired temperature. The reason
for this is mosly a matter of efficiency, as keeping the temperature at
a constant setting would require the heater to go on and off
frequently. This is not only inefficient, it is annoying.

Finally, the outside temperature can affected by other things. In a
still room, warm air will rise, and cold air will sink. The floor will
often be significantly cooler than a thermostat mounted fairly high on
the wall. Also, if the thermostat is mounted on a central wall, this is
frequently more insulated and stable than areas near exterior walls. A
ceiling or other fan can help balance the temperatures, but this will
also increase your energy bill.

Dean G.

Dean G. wrote:
Terry wrote:
Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to
70. That sometimes seems a little low. When I push
it up to 71 it seems a little warm. The place I notice
it the most is when I am setting at my computer desk.
I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not cover
the vent.


Three things to consider :

Four things, actually. To the below, add humidity level.
We're talking about the differences between "latent" heat
and "sensible" heat.

A quick explanation found online...

Any mixture of air and water vapor contains heat. Part of
that heat is represented by the "sensible temperature" of
the air. (Sensible heat can be measured by a normal
thermometer...one with a dry sensing bulb.) The other part
of the heat in the air is its "latent" heat. Latent heat is
the energy that was used to evaporate the mass of water that
the air now contains. So if the air now contains a great
deal of water vapor, its latent heat is high. Conversely, if
the air is rather dry, its latent heat is low. The sum of
the sensible and latent heat of the air is called its
"enthalpy", sometimes called its "total heat".

-------------------------

In my own home, I've found that 70F at 15% humidity will
feel chilly. 70F at 55% humidity will feel warm and
comfortable. Running a humidifier during a heating season
means that one can set thermostats lower and still feel
comfortable.

Pastorio

First, if the thermostat is behind the computer, then
there is a good chance the hot air from the computer fan
and/or monitor are affecting the thermostat, at least
when they are on. Since the thermostat will be warmed by
this, it will seem cooler elsewhere. When the computer is
off, the thermostat will be more accurate.

Second, most, if not all, thermostats allow the
temperature to fluctuate in a range centered on the
desired temperature. The reason for this is mosly a
matter of efficiency, as keeping the temperature at a
constant setting would require the heater to go on and
off frequently. This is not only inefficient, it is
annoying.

Finally, the outside temperature can affected by other
things. In a still room, warm air will rise, and cold air
will sink. The floor will often be significantly cooler
than a thermostat mounted fairly high on the wall. Also,
if the thermostat is mounted on a central wall, this is
frequently more insulated and stable than areas near
exterior walls. A ceiling or other fan can help balance
the temperatures, but this will also increase your energy
bill.

Dean G.

Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.


We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:37:49 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

Many of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson in particular, because they
were rational, wanted us to use the decimal system.

Which means what? The metric system IS decimal while the current US system
of feet, inches, pounds and onces is not.


"Karl S" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:37:49 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

Many of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson in particular, because they
were rational, wanted us to use the decimal system.

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:21:58 GMT, "mwlogs"
wrote:

Which means what? The metric system IS decimal while the current US system
of feet, inches, pounds and onces is not.


And had multiple units of measurement for the same thing. Units which
are not simply related (as in length: there's feet, inches, yards,
rods, fathoms, angstroms, light years and more), so adding to the
difficulty of obtaining and using measurements.

Metric has ONE unit for each thing, and a set of related prefixes for
large or small multiples of any unit.


"Karl S" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:37:49 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

Many of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson in particular, because they
were rational, wanted us to use the decimal system.



--
47 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

In article ,
lid says...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:21:58 GMT, "mwlogs"
wrote:

Which means what? The metric system IS decimal while the current US system
of feet, inches, pounds and onces is not.

Farenheit is decimal. ;-)

And had multiple units of measurement for the same thing. Units which
are not simply related (as in length: there's feet, inches, yards,
rods, fathoms, angstroms, light years and more), so adding to the
difficulty of obtaining and using measurements.

Metric has ONE unit for each thing, and a set of related prefixes for
large or small multiples of any unit.

Light years don't exist?

snipped top poster's out-of-line quotes

--
Keith

Dave Smith wrote:
Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I don't know where you are, but weather reports and temperatures
on buildings are all in Fahrenheit. Schools teach metrics as
though it was a foreign language. While whiskey, wine, and soda
are measured being soda are being sold in metric, beer and most
other necessities of life are sold in US measurements. Try to
by lumber by the meter.

Dick

In article , (Dick Adams) wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I don't know where you are,

Hint: note his email address. The ".ca" means Canada.

but weather reports and temperatures
on buildings are all in Fahrenheit.

Not in Canada, they're not.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Dick Adams" wrote in message
...
Dave Smith wrote:
Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I don't know where you are, but weather reports and temperatures
on buildings are all in Fahrenheit. Schools teach metrics as
though it was a foreign language. While whiskey, wine, and soda
are measured being soda are being sold in metric, beer and most
other necessities of life are sold in US measurements. Try to
by lumber by the meter.

Dick
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He happens to be in Canada. However, he could have been in every part of the
world except the US.
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:17:08 -0000, (Dick Adams)
wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.

We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I don't know where you are, but weather reports and temperatures
on buildings are all in Fahrenheit. Schools teach metrics as
though it was a foreign language. While whiskey, wine, and soda
are measured being soda are being sold in metric, beer and most
other necessities of life are sold in US measurements. Try to
by lumber by the meter.

Dick

People often confuse the advantages of a different system, with the
problems encountered in converting to it. These are quite different
things.

Notice the complicated "standard" layout of the letter keys on your
keyboard (qwerty). This was designed to slow down typing.
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reason is no longer applicable."

Mark Lloyd wrote:


People often confuse the advantages of a different system, with the
problems encountered in converting to it. These are quite different
things.

The trick is not to convert. It just messes you up and you remain
stuck in the old system of measurement. It makes things so much
easier. I confess to still preferi to measure fuel efficiency in
miles per gallon, because the number of litres per 100 km
reverses the significance of the size of the numbers. On the
other hand, calculating travel times in metric is much easier.
The standard highway speed in 100 kph, so a 500 km trip should
take 5 hours. There is no need to go through the extra steps of
converting 500 km to 300 miles and dividing by 60.



Notice the complicated "standard" layout of the letter keys on your
keyboard (qwerty). This was designed to slow down typing.
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"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:09:38 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote:

Mark Lloyd wrote:


People often confuse the advantages of a different system, with the
problems encountered in converting to it. These are quite different
things.

The trick is not to convert.

Right. I don't like to see of the anti-metric propaganda that says
something like "The quarterback in on the 21.8347 meter line."
(supposed to make metric look complicated).

It just messes you up and you remain
stuck in the old system of measurement. It makes things so much
easier. I confess to still preferi to measure fuel efficiency in
miles per gallon, because the number of litres per 100 km
reverses the significance of the size of the numbers.

"km per liter" would have the units in the right order, and would be a
closer equivalent to "miles per gallon".

BTW, I remember seeing the fuel efficiency of an army tank given in
"gallons per mile".

On the
other hand, calculating travel times in metric is much easier.
The standard highway speed in 100 kph, so a 500 km trip should
take 5 hours.

I like to do math with simple numbers like that.

There is no need to go through the extra steps of
converting 500 km to 300 miles and dividing by 60.



Notice the complicated "standard" layout of the letter keys on your
keyboard (qwerty). This was designed to slow down typing.
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"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.


We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.
------
Right on- by the way, I am 75 and have no problem with Celsius after our
long overdue conversion.
20-21C is fine , 0C cover your tender plants and watch for icy
atches. -40 C= -40F -Shirtsleeves are fine for 50-100 meters depending on
the wind as humidity is not a problem (better than NYC at temperatures near
0C).
100C makes sense as well as 0C in that boiling water is something you don't
want to wash your willie with.
It really is a matter of associating what you feel with the scale.

(Fahrenheit zero is based on the commonsense measure of the freezing point
of a saturated salt solution which everyone has on hand, and boiling point
is 180 degrees above the freezing point of "pure" water. Completely logical
of course )

As for thermostats- I wonder how many are accurate to within 1 division on
their scale and, if so, what does it mean at some other location in the
house or even the room?
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Don Kelly wrote:
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...

snip


(Fahrenheit zero is based on the commonsense measure of the freezing point
of a saturated salt solution which everyone has on hand, and boiling point
is 180 degrees above the freezing point of "pure" water. Completely logical
of course )


snip
Don Kelly move the X to answer

Correction: the F scale was based the freezing point of that solution
and set at 32 degrees. Then 100 was selected as the normal human body
temp, or that is what I heard, not sure). Just why they set the
freezing point at 32 vice 0 escapes me.

Harry K

Harry K wrote:
Don Kelly wrote:
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...

snip


(Fahrenheit zero is based on the commonsense measure of the freezing point
of a saturated salt solution which everyone has on hand, and boiling point
is 180 degrees above the freezing point of "pure" water. Completely logical
of course )


snip
Don Kelly move the X to answer

Correction: the F scale was based the freezing point of that solution
and set at 32 degrees. Then 100 was selected as the normal human body
temp, or that is what I heard, not sure). Just why they set the
freezing point at 32 vice 0 escapes me.

Harry K

Oops. Correction to the correction. You are correct. I just can't
come up with how the 0F mark was arrived at.

Harry K

In article .com, "Harry K" wrote:

Harry K wrote:
Don Kelly wrote:
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...

snip


(Fahrenheit zero is based on the commonsense measure of the freezing point
of a saturated salt solution which everyone has on hand, and boiling point
is 180 degrees above the freezing point of "pure" water. Completely
logical
of course )


snip
Don Kelly move the X to answer

Correction: the F scale was based the freezing point of that solution
and set at 32 degrees. Then 100 was selected as the normal human body
temp, or that is what I heard, not sure). Just why they set the
freezing point at 32 vice 0 escapes me.

Harry K

Oops. Correction to the correction. You are correct. I just can't
come up with how the 0F mark was arrived at.

http://chem.oswego.edu/chem209/Misc/fahrenheit.htm

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On 9 Nov 2006 07:47:35 -0800, "Harry K"
wrote:


Don Kelly wrote:
----------------------------
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...

snip


(Fahrenheit zero is based on the commonsense measure of the freezing point
of a saturated salt solution which everyone has on hand, and boiling point
is 180 degrees above the freezing point of "pure" water. Completely logical
of course )


snip
Don Kelly move the X to answer

Correction: the F scale was based the freezing point of that solution
and set at 32 degrees. Then 100 was selected as the normal human body
temp, or that is what I heard, not sure). Just why they set the
freezing point at 32 vice 0 escapes me.

Harry K

Maybe to help those unable to handle negative numbers, but still
needed a way to express temperatures below freezing?

Of course, the REAL 0 point (no heat at all) is considerably lower
than either 0C or 0F.
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"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:37:49 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote:

Terry wrote:

Now that the winter is here I have my thermostat set to 70. That
sometimes seems a little low. When I push it up to 71 it seems a
little warm. The place I notice it the most is when I am setting at
my computer desk. I have on the wall behind it. The desk does not
cover the vent.

I can imagine that people using the Celsius scale would notice one
degree more or their thermostat has half degrees.


We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

It we were talking just about temperature, people could adapt to
either scale. However, in general the metric system is much more
sensible.
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47 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

Dave Smith wrote:


We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I disagree, even though I have a science background (Physics). Metric
is great for doing that sort of thing, but for weather, not so much.

Fahrenheit is good because 100F is really nice and hot, and 0F is
really nice and cold. Bounds the temps that humans deal with rather
nicely. 100C is outside the range of experience (one hopes) and 0C is
coldish. Who cares what temperature water boils at?

The degrees F have nice granularity, so you don't have to deal with
fractional ones when describing the weather.




Brian

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On 9 Nov 2006 17:22:55 GMT, "Default User"
wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:


We have been officially metric for almost 30 years now, but most
people over 30 still seem to thing in Fahrenheit. I don't
understand it because Celsius makes so much more sense. Water
freezes at 0 and boils at 100. That 0 C makes a big difference in
weather conditions. When it drops below freezing it is cold, so
having a scale that zeroes out at the freezing point makes a lot
of sense. You are quite right about being able to detect a one
degree difference in temperature. One degree C is noticeable
while one degree F is not.

I disagree, even though I have a science background (Physics). Metric
is great for doing that sort of thing, but for weather, not so much.

Fahrenheit is good because 100F is really nice and hot, and 0F is
really nice and cold. Bounds the temps that humans deal with rather
nicely. 100C is outside the range of experience (one hopes) and 0C is
coldish. Who cares what temperature water boils at?


And at the time, humans thought that THEY were the most important
things in existence.

The degrees F have nice granularity, so you don't have to deal with
fractional ones when describing the weather.


Could that just be what you're used to? The ratio (size of C degree to
size of F degree) is less than 2:1.




Brian
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46 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."