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How much force to tip over a tree
I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe
8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob You gotta be kidding !!!!! Have you ever heard of a chainsaw? I can guarantee that if your winch, cable, whatever you use does not fail first, the tree will snap off somewhere along the trunk, and the snapback will likely hurt someone and/or damage property. Cut it down, then use the winch to help remove the stump while you dig and chop roots. (You CAN connect your winch to help assist the tree to fall the desired way, when you saw it off. Just snug it up before you start sawing, and of course know how to make the cut). Of course you could always call a tree expert too !!!! |
How much force to tip over a tree
wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob You gotta be kidding !!!!! Have you ever heard of a chainsaw? I can guarantee that if your winch, cable, whatever you use does not fail first, the tree will snap off somewhere along the trunk, and the snapback will likely hurt someone and/or damage property. Cut it down, then use the winch to help remove the stump while you dig and chop roots. Once it's cut, the winch is going to be a whole lot less effective. No leverage. Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob You gotta be kidding !!!!! Have you ever heard of a chainsaw? I can guarantee that if your winch, cable, whatever you use does not fail first, the tree will snap off somewhere along the trunk, and the snapback will likely hurt someone and/or damage property. Cut it down, then use the winch to help remove the stump while you dig and chop roots. Once it's cut, the winch is going to be a whole lot less effective. No leverage. Bob Bob, I really think you are going to be a lot safer following the advice. It may be a little more work, but think of this: If it were easier and safe, don't you think the professional loggers would have been doing it for years? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote:
I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. Will it work? Kinda doubt it. The only pines I have any experience with are Southern yellow and they have a pretty good root system. I imagine your rope will break first and if you beef up your rope to 1" Dacron or so or a stout wire rope I suspect the trunk will snap. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob My banana tree can be pushed over with one hand. My pecan tree would break before it pulled loose. My Willow could be pulled over with a 10 ton bulldozer anchoring the winch. |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote:
I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? What's the highest wind it's been exposed to? At V mph, P = 0.00256V^2 psf, eg 6.4 psf at 50 mph. On a 40'x10' wide tree, this would make 2560 pounds with a 2560x20 = 51.2K lb-ft moment, vs 1 ton x 30' up = 60K lb-ft. Will it work? It might, if the force is applied over a long time, eg a month. You might tie the top of the tree to the base of another with 5 loops of 400 pound rope and tighten it every few days with the come-along, so you can keep it out of the rain, and water the base of the tree. Nick |
How much force to tip over a tree
In article , "Bob F" wrote:
I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. You're kidding, right? I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? A whole lot more force than is required to break the tree trunk. Or your rope. Will it work? Nope. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob Not likely! and all abit dangerous - climbing 30 ft to attach the winch for a start. There is no way that you are going to break roots. HAve a look at some photos from the latest hurricane/cyclone/typhoon. Roots don't break, they come out of the ground , but only with the right amount of encouragement. Try a chainsaw, or if you don't like them, an 8" diameter trunk really wont take too long with a good sharp axe. If you are at all worried about where the thing will fall, call a professional!. Come to think of it - call a professional anyway! |
How much force to tip over a tree
"Bob F" wrote:
I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch I'd probably go 20' -- and I would keep a close eye on the tree to make sure it doesn't snap. it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). If you've got a sacrificial axe and not too rocky soil that might work. I've used a demo hammer with a sharpened clay spade with good results--- and a reciprocating saw is handy sometimes, too. Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? It depends entirely on the root system and soil. Sandy wet soil & you're home free. Dry, rocky soil & you've got a couple days work for one man. Will it work? If your anchor point is heavy enough and you release enough of the root system- sure. I did a similar one a few years ago. Cut it off at 20'- then pulled it with my old Taurus while cutting roots. Found several large roots near the surface-- and a nasty tap root that went deep. Next one I cut off at 20 feet- debranch - make a platform for hawk/owl nests on top and carve the rest into a totem pole. Jim |
How much force to tip over a tree
"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:Y_0%g.11261$A27.6846@trnddc08... I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. Probably because palms are not really trees. Will it work? Kinda doubt it. The only pines I have any experience with are Southern yellow and they have a pretty good root system. I imagine your rope will break first and if you beef up your rope to 1" Dacron or so or a stout wire rope I suspect the trunk will snap. Pines were used for masts on sailing ships hundreds of years ago. Today's pines are probably not nearly as strong, but still... two-four cuts with a chainsaw and a nice push are all it takes. Even I took down a tree that size when I was a teen, with my dad and brother. Really no big deal. S |
How much force to tip over a tree
"Bob F" wrote in message . .. I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Like everyone else, I hope you are kidding. But if you are not, do not use a climbing rope. That would be really dangerous. Use a static rope; that would only be pretty dangerous. And it won't work anyhow. I had a "microburst" 7 years ago. I broke 15 mature white pines in my yard. The only tree it uprooted was a butternut. I spent a weekend digging out a 3" diameter white pine a few years back. Try to live with it, or at least with the stump. |
How much force to tip over a tree
dadiOH wrote:
Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. The roots on palm trees are about six inches long. In LA, people STEAL palm trees with a wrecker - just pluck-n-go. On a pine, there is more tree BELOW ground than above. |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob Depending on what soil that trees in I don't think you want to do it this way... The only one that MIGHT work would be a really sandy soil mix. Doing it this way ---- When the tree breaks there's going to be some pretty impressive physics applied... :-) Unless it's diseased, pre-cut, or full of termites that trees gonna break long before you ever uproot it with that method. The safest way is to cut it with the chain saw and drop it where you want it. You'll have a couple of options to get rid of the stump. You can either. Cut it down as close to the ground as possible and let it rot, hire/rent a stump grinder and make it go that way, or there are several products on the market that you can cover/introduce via drilled holes into the stump that will either let you burn it (check your local ordinances) or rot faster. Or leave about four feet of stump and have a piece of heavy equipment (dozer, skidder) in to pull the stump. Good luck... |
How much force to tip over a tree
"Bob F" wrote in message . .. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. Yeah, water around the tree first so it goes over easer. Just make sure it is well saturated about 12 feet in diameter and 10 feet deep. |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob It'll either work fine or you'll win a Darwin Award. In either case, it's a win!!! (p.s., don't forget to video it and put it on YouTube) |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? I have done something similar with a few oak trees that were near the house, one of them was 28 inches diameter. I used my skidsteer to dig a trench around the base of the tree breaking and tearing as many of the roots as possible. I doesn't take much digging and the tree can be pushed over with the machine. They are quite top heavy and leverage is your friend. Usually I use a chainsaw but these trees were near the house and acually leaning towards the house. With this method I was able to push the tree in a safe direction, away from the house, much safer than using a saw. If you don't have access to a skidsteer you could maybe rent a walk-behind trencher and make a trench around the base of the tree to the maximum depth. This should sever enough of the roots to winch it over. A similar method could be used without a machine. You could hand dig around the base of the tree until some of the larger roots have been severed. Then try to winch it over. If it won't budge then you dig some more. It's not a safe as using a machine because you would have to winch the tree towards you rather than push it. Use a really long chain for safety sake when winching a tree toward you. Please be careful when working in the woods. Have a helper nearby just in case. Then you will have someone to share a beer with after the job is safely completed. Lawrence |
How much force to tip over a tree
Avery wrote:
"Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch-fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). ... dangerous - climbing 30 ft to attach the winch for a start. I just bought a slingshot with an 8' handle to shoot an 8 oz bag of lead shot over a tree limb with thin twine attached, up to 100' up... There is no way that you are going to break roots. Note the little ax help. Roots don't break, they come out of the ground , but only with the right amount of encouragement. Trees often fall over in winds. Try a chainsaw, or if you don't like them, an 8" diameter trunk really wont take too long with a good sharp axe. That could help, if nothing happens in a few weeks. Nick |
How much force to tip over a tree
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-- Steve Barker "Bob F" wrote in message . .. I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
HeyBub wrote:
dadiOH wrote: Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. The roots on palm trees are about six inches long. In LA, people STEAL palm trees with a wrecker - just pluck-n-go. On a pine, there is more tree BELOW ground than above. That is not true. Pine trees have a small root ball, and are very prone to being blown over. They are very easy to knock down as I know from experience. I owned a logging company in East Texas (unfortunately during the Carter administration). Our skidder could easily push over a 10-12" pine. No way with an oak or a hickory. Part of my side work was to remove pines blown over by high winds. Oaks would snap in half. Oaks ARE larger underground than above, but this is not true of pines. -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:57:56 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: "Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch I'd probably go 20' -- and I would keep a close eye on the tree to make sure it doesn't snap. it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). If you've got a sacrificial axe and not too rocky soil that might work. I've used a demo hammer with a sharpened clay spade with good results--- and a reciprocating saw is handy sometimes, too. Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? It depends entirely on the root system and soil. Sandy wet soil & you're home free. Dry, rocky soil & you've got a couple days work for one man. Will it work? If your anchor point is heavy enough and you release enough of the root system- sure. I did a similar one a few years ago. Cut it off at 20'- then pulled it with my old Taurus while cutting roots. Found several large roots near the surface-- and a nasty tap root that went deep. Next one I cut off at 20 feet- debranch - make a platform for hawk/owl nests on top and carve the rest into a totem pole. Jim Lets make a mountain out of a molehill......... Hell, it's only an 8 inch trunk. If you dont have a chainsaw and dont want to spend $50 to rent one, get a cheap bow saw from Walmart for $6 and spend a 10 minutes sawing it by hand and enjoy the exercise. |
How much force to tip over a tree
wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:57:56 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: "Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch I'd probably go 20' -- and I would keep a close eye on the tree to make sure it doesn't snap. it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). If you've got a sacrificial axe and not too rocky soil that might work. I've used a demo hammer with a sharpened clay spade with good results--- and a reciprocating saw is handy sometimes, too. Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? It depends entirely on the root system and soil. Sandy wet soil & you're home free. Dry, rocky soil & you've got a couple days work for one man. Will it work? If your anchor point is heavy enough and you release enough of the root system- sure. I did a similar one a few years ago. Cut it off at 20'- then pulled it with my old Taurus while cutting roots. Found several large roots near the surface-- and a nasty tap root that went deep. Next one I cut off at 20 feet- debranch - make a platform for hawk/owl nests on top and carve the rest into a totem pole. Jim Lets make a mountain out of a molehill......... Hell, it's only an 8 inch trunk. If you dont have a chainsaw and dont want to spend $50 to rent one, get a cheap bow saw from Walmart for $6 and spend a 10 minutes sawing it by hand and enjoy the exercise. The whole point is to remove a chunk of the root structure while I have the leverage to make it easier, and to drop it slower so it doesn't damage nearby plants. Also, so I don't have to remove parts from a ladder leaned against the tree. Cutting the tree at the base is not an option due to location. Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:33:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: dadiOH wrote: Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. The roots on palm trees are about six inches long. In LA, people STEAL palm trees with a wrecker - just pluck-n-go. On a pine, there is more tree BELOW ground than above. We have a lot of pine trees around here. I remember my father telling me that the pine has a root that goes as far below the surface as the tree grows above it. -- 63 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "How could you ask be to believe in God when there's absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob, hire a profesional and stay far far far away from any tool bigger
than a screw driver. Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
"Bob F" wrote in message . .. The whole point is to remove a chunk of the root structure while I have the leverage to make it easier, and to drop it slower so it doesn't damage nearby plants. Also, so I don't have to remove parts from a ladder leaned against the tree. Cutting the tree at the base is not an option due to location. With no cut roots, the tree will snap in the trunk. enough room at the base to drill holes, effectively cutting it at ground level? (With ropes and tension to direct the tree's fall.) lee |
How much force to tip over a tree
I have done something similar with a few oak trees that were near the
house, one of them was 28 inches diameter. I used my skidsteer to dig a trench around the base of the tree breaking and tearing as many of the roots as possible. I doesn't take much digging and the tree can be pushed over with the machine. They are quite top heavy and leverage is your friend. Oak and pine trees have completely different root systems. |
How much force to tip over a tree
"lee houston" wrote in message om... "Bob F" wrote in message . .. The whole point is to remove a chunk of the root structure while I have the leverage to make it easier, and to drop it slower so it doesn't damage nearby plants. Also, so I don't have to remove parts from a ladder leaned against the tree. Cutting the tree at the base is not an option due to location. With no cut roots, the tree will snap in the trunk. enough room at the base to drill holes, effectively cutting it at ground level? (With ropes and tension to direct the tree's fall.) Cut roots are not excluded. Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
"Rain" wrote in message oups.com... Bob, hire a profesional and stay far far far away from any tool bigger than a screw driver. LOL Bob |
How much force to tip over a tree
Bob F wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob nope. want simple? drill a hole in one side of the tree, stick a funnel and fill with waste oil, as it soaks in, add more, check every hour. then light a match. lot more fun than a chainsaw :) other poster: some people dont like chainsaws. if it was me and I couldnt burn it, I'd ask someone if they want free firewood, if that fails, i'd use a winch to pull the tree gently in one direction, and start diggin roots, maybe flood with water depending on soil conditions. I got some 50ft pines i will eventually get rid of, if no one claims firewood out of them, I might have to try this. |
How much force to tip over a tree
Robert Allison wrote:
HeyBub wrote: I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. The roots on palm trees are about six inches long. In LA, people STEAL palm trees with a wrecker - just pluck-n-go. On a pine, there is more tree BELOW ground than above. That is not true. Pine trees have a small root ball, and are very prone to being blown over. They are very easy to knock down as I know from experience. I owned a logging company in East Texas (unfortunately during the Carter administration). Well, that doesn't speak too well for your business acumen, does it? Our skidder could easily push over a 10-12" pine. No way with an oak or a hickory. Part of my side work was to remove pines blown over by high winds. Oaks would snap in half. Oaks ARE larger underground than above, but this is not true of pines. Okay. You caught me. I exaggerated. Let me restate. "Almost ALL trees have MORE organic matter below ground than they do above. Not just pines." |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob A strong wind that would create an equally loaded force can uproot a pine. Pines do have a weaker root system than most trees but putting a winch at one point on the tree will not uproot the pine. It will only snap the trunk and cause your winch to fly back at you. |
How much force to tip over a tree
On 23 Oct 2006 17:07:21 -0700, "Tater" wrote:
other poster: some people dont like chainsaws. if it was me and I couldnt burn it, I'd ask someone if they want free firewood, if that fails, i'd use a winch to pull the tree gently in one direction, and start diggin roots, maybe flood with water depending on soil conditions. I got some 50ft pines i will eventually get rid of, if no one claims firewood out of them, I might have to try this. If you join your local Freecycle group www.freecycle.org or post the wood on Craigslist for free, believe me, people will come running for it, especially now before winter hits. Your free wood will be even more popular if you can cut down the tree into more manageable lengths, but I'm sure that could be a point of negotiation. Good luck! |
How much force to tip over a tree
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How much force to tip over a tree
mrsgator88 wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message news:Y_0%g.11261$A27.6846@trnddc08... I have no idea but I can tell you a palm tree can easily be pushed over with a tractor. Probably because palms are not really trees. Will it work? Kinda doubt it. The only pines I have any experience with are Southern yellow and they have a pretty good root system. I imagine your rope will break first and if you beef up your rope to 1" Dacron or so or a stout wire rope I suspect the trunk will snap. Pines were used for masts on sailing ships hundreds of years ago. Today's pines are probably not nearly as strong, but still... two-four cuts with a chainsaw and a nice push are all it takes. Even I took down a tree that size when I was a teen, with my dad and brother. Really no big deal. S No big deal until it doesn't fall where you want it. I have been cutting firewood (up to 12 cord/year) for over 30 years and I still won't fall a tree in tight quarters. Using a cable or chain (definitely not the run of the mill rope) tied somewhere up in the tree to "guide the fall" is not the answer either. Once you snug it up and make the falling cuts, any guidance is lost as soon as the tree begins to fall and the cable goes slack. Harry K |
How much force to tip over a tree
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How much force to tip over a tree
Bob, I really think you are going to be a lot safer following the advice. It may be a little more work, but think of this: If it were easier and safe, don't you think the professional loggers would have been doing it for years? Loggers dont pull the stumps |
How much force to tip over a tree
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:35:28 -0500, GWB wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:55:14 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0700, "Bob F" wrote: I have a columnar white pine tree, about 40 feet tall and maybe 8" in daimeter at the base, I need to remove. I am considering trying to use an old climbing rope and a come-along to winch it out of the ground. I figure that if I attach the rope to the tree about 30 feet from the ground, it shouldn't be too hard to winch it over. I would used prussiks to allow me to pull it multiple winch- fulls to move it far enough to break roots (with a little axe help maybe). Does anyone have any idea how much force this should take? Will it work? Bob A strong wind that would create an equally loaded force can uproot a pine. Pines do have a weaker root system than most trees but putting a winch at one point on the tree will not uproot the pine. It will only snap the trunk and cause your winch to fly back at you. Don't pines typically snap, rather than uproot in strong winds? I hope so. I have some big muthas too damn close to the house. G No. If they are in the open and see the full brunt of the wind they will actually partially pull out of the ground because of the weak root system. I have had two pines on different occasions pull down to a 45 degree angle. I had to remove them. My neighbor has three pines right now that have a 20 degree tilt at the base but have grown to re-righted the top half of the trunk through the years. |
How much force to tip over a tree
If you join your local Freecycle group www.freecycle.org or post the
wood on Craigslist for free, believe me, people will come running for it, especially now before winter hits. Your free wood will be even more popular if you can cut down the tree into more manageable lengths, but I'm sure that could be a point of negotiation. Good luck! Are you sure anyone is going to want burn pine? I don't have a fireplace, but isn't burning pine bad for the flue, creosote? |
How much force to tip over a tree
Avery wrote:
Not likely! and all abit dangerous - climbing 30 ft to attach the winch for a start. There is no way that you are going to break roots. HAve a look at some photos from the latest hurricane/cyclone/typhoon. Roots don't break, they come out of the ground , but only with the right amount of encouragement. I have (unfortunately) three large live oaks lying mostly on the ground (two are still alive). They were knocked down by hurricanes two years ago. A few smallish roots came out of the ground but mostly they broke. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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