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Power for tablesaw in shop?
Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything
goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of
110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
wrote in message ... Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. I would say most, including me simply, use an extension cord. I have used an extension cord since 1981. In 1999 I upgraded to a cabinet saw and use a 10-3 extension cord 30' long. I have never tripped over either. Until I have a larger shop with a stationary and permanent position for the saw, I will continue using the extension cord. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
wrote in message ... Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. Can't address the power question, but if this is a 'clean paper' setup and the slab hasn't been poured yet, I'd tuck a 3x3 shower stall in that half bath, especially if there is a SWMBO in the picture. If you are doing a big project and get all sweaty and sawdust covered, they get real cranky when you track that into the house. If this fancy shop isn't at home, it is real nice to be able to clean up before meeting people for dinner. aem sends.... |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
run conduit in floor install floor outlets for fixed tools like table
saw. install at least a 100 amp sub panel for your new shop with lots of convenience outlets. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
I would make sure that the feed is a dedicated outlet. Then you can change
the voltage from 110 to 220 by just swapping out outlet an breaker. I would also go with 10 guage wire just in case you want to move up to a 5HP machine some day. The one outlet that I had to "add" in my (20x25) shop after constrution was the 110 under the saw outfeed table (my saw is in the middle of the room). I now have a power strip there so I don alway have to plug in on the perimeter of the room. -Steve wrote in message ... Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
"Clint" wrote in message news:ZFDKg.501703$iF6.501568@pd7tw2no... AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of 110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
"JoeM" wrote in message ink.net... "Clint" wrote in message news:ZFDKg.501703$iF6.501568@pd7tw2no... AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of 110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. Yes the amperage is cut in half because it's split between two circuts not because your drawing halve the wattage. The wattage stays the same and that is what your paying for. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:22 GMT, wrote:
wrote in message .. . Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. Can't address the power question, but if this is a 'clean paper' setup and the slab hasn't been poured yet, I'd tuck a 3x3 shower stall in that half bath, especially if there is a SWMBO in the picture. If you are doing a big project and get all sweaty and sawdust covered, they get real cranky when you track that into the house. If this fancy shop isn't at home, it is real nice to be able to clean up before meeting people for dinner. And it's be good to have a phone in there too. Maybe one of those you can answer without touching it. aem sends.... -- 113 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... Can't address the power question, but if this is a 'clean paper' setup and the slab hasn't been poured yet, I'd tuck a 3x3 shower stall in that half bath, especially if there is a SWMBO in the picture. If you are doing a big project and get all sweaty and sawdust covered, they get real cranky when you track that into the house. If this fancy shop isn't at home, it is real nice to be able to clean up before meeting people for dinner. And it's be good to have a phone in there too. Maybe one of those you can answer without touching it. While we are dreaming, don't forget the separate room, with the big screen TV, surround sound and a pool table! Oops! Don't forget the beer fridge and wet bar too! Greg |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
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Power for tablesaw in shop?
To continue what Rich said, around here we pay for electrical power by the
kilowatt-hour. Wattage = voltage * amps. So if your tablesaw draws 15 amps at 120v (15A * 120V = 1800W), it's the same as 7.5A @ 240V (7.5A * 240V = 1800W) in terms of actual power used, and therefore cost. BTW, when replying to (and quoting) someone else's post, it's poor practice to include the same quote identifier in front of your text. Makes it hard to pick out what you're trying to say. This is simply my opinion, unlike some people who will try to what an "Internet Standard" is (regarding top/bottom posting). Clint "JoeM" wrote in message ink.net... "Clint" wrote in message news:ZFDKg.501703$iF6.501568@pd7tw2no... AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of 110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
The wattage used by the motor would stay the same, if the voltage to the
motor were the same, although even this is ignoring resistive losses within the motor. But the phrase "There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings." does not make much sense: The voltage drop amounts to turning electricity into heat in the wiring, wiring in the building and in the power cord etc., and it unless you want to count that toward heating the building it is exactly enery lost, so if there is less of it at 220 then there is energy saved. There are lots of details if you want to go into them, such as the back-emf generated by the motor and how that falls off with load, but overall more of the electricity you are paying for will go into making sawdust at 220 than at 110. Going back to the first sentence, note that a different voltage drop makes for different voltage to the motor, so nothing here is simple. Bob Wilson "Rich" wrote in message . .. "JoeM" wrote in message ink.net... "Clint" wrote in message news:ZFDKg.501703$iF6.501568@pd7tw2no... AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of 110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. Yes the amperage is cut in half because it's split between two circuts not because your drawing halve the wattage. The wattage stays the same and that is what your paying for. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:11:14 -0500, "Greg O"
wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message .. . Can't address the power question, but if this is a 'clean paper' setup and the slab hasn't been poured yet, I'd tuck a 3x3 shower stall in that half bath, especially if there is a SWMBO in the picture. If you are doing a big project and get all sweaty and sawdust covered, they get real cranky when you track that into the house. If this fancy shop isn't at home, it is real nice to be able to clean up before meeting people for dinner. And it's be good to have a phone in there too. Maybe one of those you can answer without touching it. While we are dreaming, don't forget the separate room, with the big screen TV, surround sound and a pool table! Oops! Don't forget the beer fridge and wet bar too! Greg And virtual racetrack. -- 113 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
wrote in message ... Initiated a new woodworking shop endeavor last week and have "anything goes" on electrical from the contractor and wonder where the "typical" power source is for the TS whether 110V or 220V. Currently have 110V TS and it was plugged into a ceiling receptacle and was happy with that not having to step over a cord on the floor but inquiring minds wonder what other alternatives exist. Got the X10 for dust collection that was utilizing the same circuit and enjoyed it muchly. Small compressor can use either voltage but will probably convert to 220V for efficiency. Shop/garage will be 24X30 with 9' ceilings with half bath and drain board/sink adjacent and 3 windows with 18' garage door and person door. Anxiously awaiting completion! Anxiously awaiting responses also. If it were my shop, I would install a 220 receptacle because the extension could be twice as long before the voltage drop across the extension would become a problem. FYI, I plug my saw into a 120 receptacle. O well, the saw never gets more than 20 feet from the receptacle. Jim |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
Work is accomplished by watts. You pay for watts, not amps. There is
no savings with 220 volts. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
Watts equals amps times volts.
Lets see. Twice the volts, and half the amps. Multiply by two, and then multiply by 0.5.... see what happens. Try it yourself, it's a real surprise. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
In article . net, 9878
@earthlink.net says... "Clint" wrote in message news:ZFDKg.501703$iF6.501568@pd7tw2no... AFAIK, there is no energy savings to be had, running 220(240?) instead of 110/120. There may be less voltage drop when running 220, but no energy savings. DAGS for "120v 240v difference", and have fun. :) Clint "Eric in North TX" wrote in message s.com... It probably depends on how much you use it. I inherited my dads wood working equipment, and most of it is 220v but, he used it a good portion of every day, so it made sense to have it on 220v for the savings on electricity. I will say they are more powerful than before he made the motor switch, you just can't lug down the belt sander, and the table saw is like a hot knife through butter. I don't know if he upped the HP when he made the change, but they are sweet machines now. Running 220 volts cuts the amperage in half.This is an energy and money saver. Yes, amperage is cut in half but since power is product of amps and volts, watts are still same. My electric Co. bills on watts (kilowatts). Does yours bill on amperage? |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
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Power for tablesaw in shop?
wrote in message ... In article , Greg O wrote: ...snipped... While we are dreaming, don't forget the separate room, with the big screen TV, surround sound and a pool table! Oops! Don't forget the beer fridge and wet bar too! Greg Hey, you left out the servant's quarters! Considering that unless you are making a living with it, the woodshop itself is a luxury item, I don't think a simple shower stall (and water heater, if slop sink OP mentioned was going to be cold water only), is much of a stretch. Few people bother to run water and drain to the shop, especially in a seperate building, but OP metioned a half-bath, so adding a shower to that becomes trivial. Unless a woodshop is a just a display room (like a yuppie restaurant-grade gourmet kitchen that seldom actually gets used), you do tend to get dirty working in there. aem sends.... |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
Yes, amperage is cut in half but since power is product of amps and volts, watts are still same. My electric Co. bills on watts (kilowatts). Does yours bill on amperage? It may not be a large difference, but higher voltage transmission lines will lose less energy to heat than lower voltage ones over distance. The same could be said for an AC motor winding. In theory, the power output of a motor running 15A at 120v is identical to the same rig running 7.5A at 240v, but in practice, this is not the case. As the load increases, efficiency declines and the motor will draw more energy from the mains in order to complete its task. the higher voltage motor will also suffer from this, but to a lesser degree. This is why you see large scale industrial motors running at higher voltages (and lower amperages), rather than using something like 120v/50A. I doubt that the savings in electrical cost will be enormous, but over time it will add up (or subtract up, down, whatever :) |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
"Andrew Williams" wrote in message news:040920060815068887%andrewSPAMALOT@williamsmus ic.com... In theory, the power output of a motor running 15A at 120v is identical to the same rig running 7.5A at 240v, but in practice, this is not the case. As the load increases, efficiency declines and the motor will draw more energy from the mains in order to complete its task. the higher voltage motor will also suffer from this, but to a lesser degree. This is why you see large scale industrial motors running at higher voltages (and lower amperages), rather than using something like 120v/50A. I doubt that the savings in electrical cost will be enormous, but over time it will add up (or subtract up, down, whatever :) Yep. Probably save you $1.00 per year. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
"CW" wrote in message ink.net... "Andrew Williams" wrote in message news:040920060815068887%andrewSPAMALOT@williamsmus ic.com... In theory, the power output of a motor running 15A at 120v is identical to the same rig running 7.5A at 240v, but in practice, this is not the case. As the load increases, efficiency declines and the motor will draw more energy from the mains in order to complete its task. the higher voltage motor will also suffer from this, but to a lesser degree. This is why you see large scale industrial motors running at higher voltages (and lower amperages), rather than using something like 120v/50A. I doubt that the savings in electrical cost will be enormous, but over time it will add up (or subtract up, down, whatever :) Yep. Probably save you $1.00 per year. And the savings have been already lost on the whole conversation even at a $1/hour we have spent more time on this than the savings! Now I like teflon tape to seal water fittings......... LOL Happy Labor Day |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
Have a friend with a shop with 10 foot cieling he moves his tools
around. shop is too small for whats in the( anyhow he has some retractable wind up extension cords mounted to cieling with strings to make access easy. works well for him no chance of tripping on anything....... |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
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Power for tablesaw in shop?
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Power for tablesaw in shop?
"Clint" wrote in message news:pXHKg.502160$iF6.467243@pd7tw2no... To continue what Rich said, around here we pay for electrical power by the kilowatt-hour. Wattage = voltage * amps. So if your tablesaw draws 15 amps at 120v (15A * 120V = 1800W), it's the same as 7.5A @ 240V (7.5A * 240V = 1800W) in terms of actual power used, and therefore cost. Since the same size wire will carry the same amount of amps at either voltage, and voltage is what drops as wire runs get longer you tend to get more power to the motor if you opt for the higher voltage. Also if you take it to the next step and run the motors on 3 phase power (assuming it is available) you get a bigger bang for your buck. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
Power for tablesaw in shop?
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:47:08 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Roger Shoaf" quickly quoth: "Clint" wrote in message news:pXHKg.502160$iF6.467243@pd7tw2no... To continue what Rich said, around here we pay for electrical power by the kilowatt-hour. Wattage = voltage * amps. So if your tablesaw draws 15 amps at 120v (15A * 120V = 1800W), it's the same as 7.5A @ 240V (7.5A * 240V = 1800W) in terms of actual power used, and therefore cost. Since the same size wire will carry the same amount of amps at either voltage, and voltage is what drops as wire runs get longer you tend to get more power to the motor if you opt for the higher voltage. Right, startup torque is higher at 240v, too, so the machine springs to life a lot quicker. Also if you take it to the next step and run the motors on 3 phase power (assuming it is available) you get a bigger bang for your buck. I missed the original posts, but from this post: 120 and 240v are both single-phase, Roger. He'd have to get a 3-phase motor and have the utility company put in 3-phase power (usually for beaucoup additional money IF they do 3-phase in his residential area.) -- Vidi, Vici, Veni --- http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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